Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Part XIII (Nanaki edition)

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We were fine against the Canes, but as I've said before, the Canes are also a gimmick team that's not beating anyone real. When they got to the same spot we did in 2023, they were swept by Florida.

I also think it's fair to say it was pretty clear where that series was going before Kreider happened.

Sure.

But I think claiming that the rangers were heavily outplayed in the series is just living in a world with alternative facts. You didn’t do it, but when a series is played relatively closely (even in some of the latter portions of the series) and you have the better goalie, the outcome shouldn’t be surprising.


Rangers were also better than the Panthers in the first 2 games of that series. That one flipped once they got to Florida. The big difference being that Florida not only
Controlled the shot share but also the quality chance share. Game 5 of that series was fine until it wasn’t.

But that’s what happens when your opponent is just better than you are. Pulling that one off would have been a robbery. Beating the Canes in 6 was how that series should have gone.
 
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What can we get from Nashville? Pretty ugly cap sheet for them, but so is ours. They seem like a team ready for a change.
 
If we're trading Fox to Buffalo it should be for Tage Thompson, not power. And, we should convert Tage Thompson to defense. Imagine a guy that size on defense with the way he skates and shoots? It would be like if you combined Zdeno Chara and Cale Makar into one player.
Why? So Phil Housley can ruin another defenseman? He’ll have Tage Thompson sliding around the ice playing like a cream puff, not blocking shots and being gritty. Did you see the drills they were running in practice? He’d magically forget how to hit the net with his shot.
 
Why? So Phil Housley can ruin another defenseman? He’ll have Tage Thompson sliding around the ice playing like a cream puff, not blocking shots and being gritty. Did you see the drills they were running in practice? He’d magically forget how to hit the net with his shot.
It would be fitting because Housley was a Sabre.

I advocated for this in the summer. Captain swap? Trouba for Stammer? Nashville is a mess on the right side. Maybe ROR or Novak fits better but there are pieces there I'm interested in.

I was joking, really. I would love taking on 3 more years at $8M per!
 
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Fox has been nice, but he is not a be all and end all.
We should shoot for a better version of Fox, enuf of the exceptional IQ, but a whole lot more physical gifts, cause what is there IS only gonna decline, likely fast, = ugly soon

Do what is in best long term interests of the team.
Don't be tethered to indiv players
Well, Powers isn't a better version fo Fox. If you take away the name, the more physical part isn't there. He throws a hit nearly every 3 games. When you trade Fox, you're not getting a better Fox. You're getting assets for the future with potential, or you're getting a mix of assets plus something sustainable/good now, but you aren't getting Fox. It just doesn't work that way. Nobody trades better players/players heading in that direction for a player making more money. So who is the better player we're trading for?

I understand your logic in getting rid of players while they have top value, although I don't always agree with that because you're just trying to avoid the harsh reality that you eventually have to trade away players later on for less value. Trading them early doesn't mean what you're getting back is going to be better than if you kept that player until a trade had to be done.
 
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Where would both of them play?

Dont care. At least trouba would be gone. And O'Reilly could help the team defense. Novak is another option too, pretty sure he was the Rangers and Drury's first choice over Wennberg last year. I like Schenn over Lauzon. He's the type of D non-Ranger fans think Trouba is, for a quarter of the price.
 
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Curious but why do u think that.

Shesty is on last year of contracts, has ridiculous contract demands, and goalies tend not to bring back bug hauls.

We would get a young first overall pick dman, and a top goalie prospect.

There is risk going both ways.

Power needs to be in the deal or it's a non-starter. You can give me Levi, but it's gotta be max Power. Cozens doesn't impress me at all. If you give me Levi and Cozens for Igor, I will just hang up the fax machine like Drury does.
 
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Power needs to be in the deal or it's a non-starter. You can give me Levi, but it's gotta be max Power. Cozens doesn't impress me at all. If you give me Levi and Cozens for Igor, I will just hang up the fax machine like Drury does.
Cozens is a center which we need, is 23 and had a 60+ pt season. I think he could pop over 80 a couple seasons in his career.

But at least he is a solid second line center


Also, the biggest benefit is we would avoid shesterkins next contract
 
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Well, Powers isn't a better version fo Fox. If you take away the name, the more physical part isn't there. He throws a hit nearly every 3 games. When you trade Fox, you're not getting a better Fox. You're getting assets for the future with potential, or you're getting a mix of assets plus something sustainable/good now, but you aren't getting Fox. It just doesn't work that way. Nobody trades better players/players heading in that direction for a player making more money. So who is the better player we're trading for?

I understand your logic in getting rid of players while they have top value, although I don't always agree with that because you're just trying to avoid the harsh reality that you eventually have to trade away players later on for less value. Trading them early doesn't mean what you're getting back is going to be better than if you kept that player until a trade had to be done.
enuf here to deserve a like

para 1:
a) Fox should go where that is best in totality of the circumstances
so far, not final, open to suggestions, that seems to be to VAN so we can unload Zib + get back good stuff

re: Power specifically, the benefit is longer term structural cap relief [at least temporarily] and
a better physical specimen who can ultimately surpass Fox
we should ask if Power is a buy low opportunity to acquire a potential Sanderson.


para 2
we have a fundamental disagree, to a certain extent
on the underline, you are saying
"because you're just trying to avoid the harsh reality that you eventually have to trade away players later on for less value."

At some point, in some cases, sure you are correct.
But otherwise no
Mgmt decides when to move for top value or not

so the equation is value of keeping vs value of moving
in both cases you look at not only the immediate now, but how you set up for the future

If sell high candidates have value, they CAN BE moved THEN
there is no must eventually

whether or not sell high should take place varies situation to situation, case by case
 
Cozens is a center which we need, is 23 and had a 60+ pt season. I think he could pop over 80 a couple seasons in his career.

But at least he is a solid second line center


Also, the biggest benefit is we would avoid shesterkins next contract

Id be all over Cozens. Classic guy being weighed down by big expectations and contract on a team that's been bad forever.
 
enuf here to deserve a like

para 1:
a) Fox should go where that is best in totality of the circumstances
so far, not final, open to suggestions, that seems to be to VAN so we can unload Zib + get back good stuff

re: Power specifically, the benefit is longer term structural cap relief [at least temporarily] and
a better physical specimen who can ultimately surpass Fox
we should ask if Power is a buy low opportunity to acquire a potential Sanderson.


para 2
we have a fundamental disagree, to a certain extent
on the underline, you are saying
"because you're just trying to avoid the harsh reality that you eventually have to trade away players later on for less value."

At some point, in some cases, sure you are correct.
But otherwise no
Mgmt decides when to move for top value or not

so the equation is value of keeping vs value of moving
in both cases you look at not only the immediate now, but how you set up for the future

If sell high candidates have value, they CAN BE moved THEN
there is no must eventually

whether or not sell high should take place varies situation to situation, case by case
You do realize Power has a cap hit of over $8m? He is not cap relief. He is getting paid already. Sure its a $1m less than fox, but he doesnt really provide relief.
 
enuf here to deserve a like

para 1:
a) Fox should go where that is best in totality of the circumstances
so far, not final, open to suggestions, that seems to be to VAN so we can unload Zib + get back good stuff

re: Power specifically, the benefit is longer term structural cap relief [at least temporarily] and
a better physical specimen who can ultimately surpass Fox
we should ask if Power is a buy low opportunity to acquire a potential Sanderson.
Sanderson isn't a low opportunity trade.
Also, Powers might be more athletic than Fox and in better shape, but he's not using his body more.
 
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