Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Part XIII (Nanaki edition)

[grachevsceiling]

I don't know if you're going to get that nor do I think it would help much. He needs to move on from a defenseman and If the reason he hasn't waived Trouba or Lindgren yet is because he's holding out for a sweet return, I think that would be a mistake. It sounds dumb but this team needs to find its swagger. Where's 'in your face' Troch been? You can't play hockey tight. It's a recipe for disaster.

Lol I know. It’s my fault for having any emotional investment in what, to anyone involved in its operations, is a $2.2 billion company. It’s not supposed to serve the fans, really.

 

[Machinehead]

I guess you haven’t enjoyed the last 3 years as much as I have.

It was cute watching them stammer their way through 2022. We had hope that the team would continue to improve and it was significant to gain that experience in the meantime. I enjoyed just watching them win even if it was ugly.

Playing the same hockey the last 2+ years wore off about 2+ years ago.

 

[JohnC]

Gross.

Not to mention Jarmo who accomplished dick all in Columbus for a decade.

 

[LOFIN]

Staple at 18:10: "More important than 13 million is, why does he want to be here if this is the way the team is going to play? I've had this conversation with a lot of people around the league and a lot of people I know from other teams are like "Great, we're going to get ready to try to sign this guy on July 1 because if he doesn't want to be there, we want him here." So he is going to get his 13M, maybe we're talking 14M depending on who is making the offer. If it becomes a bidding war on July 1, it's going to go way, way up. I think the question right now is with all the turmoil the last few weeks if you're talking about Igor, does he even want to be here for his asking price, which is probably 13 and change at this point. And I don't know what the answer is to that."

I f***ing doubt Igor is getting 14M on the open market. But if that's what they think, let him walk.

We've had a few tries with this core and him. It hasn't worked, even if he has played great. Re-signing him to that contract certainly won't make things easier.

 

[Mandar]

Regarding trades....

Just how deep are the upcoming two draft years? Because moving some of the core will have to be to contenders, since rebuilding teams wont want/need early to mid-30's players with term. So, if any of the core are dealt to contenders, and if picks are the return, you would have to assume that those picks would be in the bottom third of any round.

 

[LOFIN]

Not to mention Jarmo who accomplished dick all in Columbus for a decade.

They waited too long to fire him, after he botched the last 3 coaching hires. It all went bad after Torts left. However, he did actually bring the most success to that franchise that it ever had upon that point. And it's not like he got it by getting lottery picks from the draft either, he did make some good moves.

 

[JohnC]

They waited too long to fire him, after he botched the last 3 coaching hires. It all went bad after Torts left. However, he did actually bring the most success to that franchise that it ever had upon that point. And it's not like he got it by getting lottery picks from the draft either, he did make some good moves.

That’s really not saying much tbh.

 

[Machinehead]

Not to mention, regarding the team having relative success the last few years, I think making the ECF was enough for a lot of people to say "ah well, it's the ECF," and normally, I wouldn't disagree with that.

However, if Kreider doesn't have an all-time ten minutes, they absolutely blow a 3-0 lead. Are we still willing to say "they had a good run" if what they probably deserved actually happened?

 

[Pawnee Rangers]

@Mike in Houston Brooks just dropped a new article. Paywalled. One on one with Kreider. Do your thing please.

 

[McRanger92]

That’s really not saying much tbh.

Low key fleeced us in the Rick Nash trade. Not sure if thats a hot take or not.

Not to mention, regarding the team having relative success the last few years, I think making the ECF was enough for a lot of people to say "ah well, it's the ECF," and normally, I wouldn't disagree with that.

However, if Kreider doesn't have an all-time ten minutes, they absolutely blow a 3-0 lead. Are we still willing to say "they had a good run" if what they probably deserved actually happened?

Ive been coming back to Game 6 against the Hurricanes. This team wouldve been blown up if not for kreider's hat trick. The wheels had already fallen off after they no showed Game 5 at home with a chance to end the series. Igor and Kreider are the only reasons we won a single game the rest of the playoffs after that.

@Mike in Houston Brooks just dropped a new article. Paywalled. One on one with Kreider. Do your thing please.

Lots of Kreider F bombs about needing to work through it. Saved you a click.

 

[DanielBrassard]

Staple at 18:10: "More important than 13 million is, why does he want to be here if this is the way the team is going to play? I've had this conversation with a lot of people around the league and a lot of people I know from other teams are like "Great, we're going to get ready to try to sign this guy on July 1 because if he doesn't want to be there, we want him here." So he is going to get his 13M, maybe we're talking 14M depending on who is making the offer. If it becomes a bidding war on July 1, it's going to go way, way up. I think the question right now is with all the turmoil the last few weeks if you're talking about Igor, does he even want to be here for his asking price, which is probably 13 and change at this point. And I don't know what the answer is to that."

Trade this f***er

 

[LOFIN]

That’s really not saying much tbh.

It isn't, but it's still something. Before he was hired, the Jackets had made the playoffs once in their 12 years of existence. They then proceeded to make the playoffs multiple times during his tenure, including the one year when they spanked the Tampa Bay Lighting in the first round. And in the two years they lost there, they were beaten by future SC champions.

I'm not advocating for hiring Kekäläinen, not in any shape or form. But he did a decent job in bringing the Blue Jackets into relevancy in his earlier years I think.

 

[Pawnee Rangers]

Not to mention, regarding the team having relative success the last few years, I think making the ECF was enough for a lot of people to say "ah well, it's the ECF," and normally, I wouldn't disagree with that.

However, if Kreider doesn't have an all-time ten minutes, they absolutely blow a 3-0 lead. Are we still willing to say "they had a good run" if what they probably deserved actually happened?

I don't really disagree but wasn't the entire team down with the flu for most of that series?

 

[Kords]

I don't know why but them practicing getting shots on net through defenseman cracks me up. Like this team has sucked at this very fundamental aspect of the game for years.

 

[Machinehead]

Ive been coming back to Game 6 against the Hurricanes. This team wouldve been blown up if not for kreider's hat trick. The wheels had already fallen off after they no showed Game 5 at home with a chance to end the series. Igor and Kreider are the only reasons we won a single game the rest of the playoffs after that.

I also think the perception is different if Florida sweeps them or runs them out in 5, as they probably should have.

Series length is extremely unreliable, but people rely on it. "They were two games away from the Final!" Technically, yes, but it's a piss poor analysis.

I'll give them 2 because that's the only game they had any business being in, although it was close. They deservedly lost 1, 4, and 5 (and 6 for good measure!) and winning 3 was the biggest heist since I've been watching this team, and that is f***ing saying something.

The 2014 team that lost in 5 was way closer to LA than this team was to Florida.

 

[McRanger92]

@Mike in Houston Brooks just dropped a new article. Paywalled. One on one with Kreider. Do your thing please.

Brooks also said they are not firing Laviolette.

 

[Pawnee Rangers]

Brooks also said they are not firing Laviolette.

Good. I don't think they should.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

I bet if Drury’s owner was not Dolan he would have made moves


Dolan’ a job is to sell jerseys and invite famous celebrities to the games


Until Dolan is gone, nothing will change. Ive come to accept that sadly

How did Drury get his job?

 

[McRanger92]

I also think the perception is different if Florida sweeps them or runs them out in 5, as they probably should have.

Series length is extremely unreliable, but people rely on it. "They were two games away from the Final!" Technically, yes, but it's a piss poor analysis.

I'll give them 2 because that's the only game they had any business being in, although it was close. They deservedly lost 1, 4, and 5 (and 6 for good measure!) and winning 3 was the biggest heist since I've been watching this team, and that is f***ing saying something.

The 2014 team that lost in 5 was way closer to LA than this team was to Florida.

They also did it twice. in 2022 the Tampa Bay series went the same way. Dominant win in Game 1, won a toss up in Game 2, and then got reverse swept the rest of the way. The only major change theyve made to any position group is Trocheck in for Strome. Drury should do less whining to the media and more actual work to fix the team.

 

[IDvsEGO]

Brooks also said they are not firing Laviolette.

Why do we consider his words valid?

 

[SnowblindNYR]

Staple at 18:10: "More important than 13 million is, why does he want to be here if this is the way the team is going to play? I've had this conversation with a lot of people around the league and a lot of people I know from other teams are like "Great, we're going to get ready to try to sign this guy on July 1 because if he doesn't want to be there, we want him here." So he is going to get his 13M, maybe we're talking 14M depending on who is making the offer. If it becomes a bidding war on July 1, it's going to go way, way up. I think the question right now is with all the turmoil the last few weeks if you're talking about Igor, does he even want to be here for his asking price, which is probably 13 and change at this point. And I don't know what the answer is to that."

13 million? That's comical. He really let the media get in his head after the (failed) Panthers series. Most overrated player of all time?

 

[Bob Richards]

How did Drury get his job?

By digging out a shiv from a soap bar Dolan gave him at the MSG prison commissary that he then used to kill Jeff Gorton and JD.

 

[noncents]

13 million? That's comical. He really let the media get in his head after the (failed) Panthers series. Most overrated player of all time?

he is the reason the team has had success in the playoffs

 

[McRanger92]

Why do we consider his words valid?

No one is saying you have to

 

[SnowblindNYR]

This whole "woe is Shesterkin" because of his defense is ridiculous. Are they the best defensive team in the league? No. Even though they've been the worst for like 15 games this season, you'd think we're talking about poor Igor playing behind the Blackhawks or something. And he's been a big part of the shitshow himself. Why are we making him a f***ing martyr? And he's a greedy tool whose ego is not less than Georgiev's. Because he was hearing how he's the best in the league because of the Florida series that he couldn't stop giving up softies in.