Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Part XIII (Nanaki edition)

[IDvsEGO]

There's a right and a wrong way to do things, even difficult personnel moves. Goodrow had an awful season, but he stepped up when it mattered most, which is why Drury brought him here in the first place right? More than I can say for the other superstars on this squad in the Florida series.

Lets not mention that Goodrow's playstyle wasn't replaced by anyone within the team... so back to soft again. Grit plan is over... ready to have our stars beaten to death again.

Let's not pretend that lockeroom morale had no effect on the team though, right? You don't think this bunch was affected by the way Goodrow was treated? Drury publicly trying to jettison the captain?

Unprofessional. sloppy and disrespectful. That's not cold and businesslike... it's dumb.. it's ignorant...

Hey, you get what you get now. Dolan cares about the Knicks.

Funny because McD had the exact same thing happen to him in TB. And yet somehow tampa didnt forget how to skate.

Blaming drury for the players somehow forgetting how to play hockey is a joke.
If its true, they should be moved anyways because thats the dumbest thing ever.
If its false, which I'm going to assume it is, they should still be moved because theyve forgotten how to skate.

Seriously
CK Trouba Mika Lindgren
If theyre all gone before the deadline, I think we'll be in a much better spot for a long run.

 

[bernmeister]

I think a lot of you posters are being unrealistic. They aren’t going to blow up the entire roster and trade 6 guys or whatever (most with clauses in their contracts limiting Drurys options) the first week of December. That’s how bad deals are born. Start small, waive Drury or Lindgren. Play Mancini or Rehwedal. They actually looked pretty good last season when Trouba was out. Losing one of those guys will be a pretty seismic shift in the room. They need a reset. Let these guys play try to play thier way out if whatever the hell this is. Before you know it, the deadline will be here. Teams will have a better idea of what they want/need.

how many/how fast will be dictated by opportunity
nobody wants to scratch the other guy's back for free
ok

if there is enuf return worthwhile, we can get deals done quickly
we will have to overpay in some instances
but bottom line is currency used
not what we pay
what we wind up with

 

[bernmeister]

Retain 50% and take back Trenin @ 50% and Bogosian along with other pieces (picks). Trouba for 2 years at $4m would be a fit for a team who likes to play physical big boy hockey

Kreider is the one piece we don't need to deal, let alone take crap back for him

someone had Kreider + Othmann for Leonard.
THAT is something to CONSIDER, but I doubt caps wanna go there, even for Ovi's sake

everything else about moving CK = disaster

so no

 

[will1066]

I don’t think Troch has to go. He’s a good 3C at his AAV going forward who steps it up in the post season, a subpar quarter season isn’t enough to put me off of him.

We're all a bunch of armchair GMs lol. His contract was anointed here last season as one of the top bargains in the league.

 

[Clark Kellogg]

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Which one of you psychos suggested this?

It would be more humane to just put him down.
The kid is being overwhelmed with good intentions that isn’t helping with development.
I will argue it is stunting his development.

 

[duhmetreE]

Funny because McD had the exact same thing happen to him in TB. And yet somehow tampa didnt forget how to skate.

Blaming drury for the players somehow forgetting how to play hockey is a joke.
If its true, they should be moved anyways because thats the dumbest thing ever.
If its false, which I'm going to assume it is, they should still be moved because theyve forgotten how to skate.

Seriously
CK Trouba Mika Lindgren
If theyre all gone before the deadline, I think we'll be in a much better spot for a long run.

if we're going to handle feelings properly, we should look for a deal to send Mika and Kreider together.

Zegras + Solberg for the besties

 

[will1066]

While the players shoulder most of the blame here, I have become increasingly disenchanted with Drury.

The Goodrow situation: mishandled.

The summer Trouba situation: mishandled.

The "trade memo" imbroglio: mishandled.

How long before Dolan awakens from the Knicks to examine the Rangers?

Right now, this team is not being handled in a professional manner.

How do you mishandle, when you want to move a player and the player doesn't want to move?

The only thing I'll say is that Drury and the coaches should've raised the temperature incrementally instead of dialing it up all of a sudden.

 

[NikC]

Kreider is the one piece we don't need to deal, let alone take crap back for him

someone had Kreider + Othmann for Leonard.
THAT is something to CONSIDER, but I doubt caps wanna go there, even for Ovi's sake

everything else about moving CK = disaster

so no

I used to see Krieder as the untouchable ranger, but over the years he has shown me who he is. his unwilliness to engage in the playoffs for games at a time, he doesn't use his power forward role, he plays as a front net PP specialist, and breakaway scorer.

He doesn't hit, doesn't fight for his teamates, doesn't go to the net. He's built like a truck yet plays a very soft game. Goodbye Chris.

You need to to rethink CK. it's over.

 

[McRanger92]

How do you mishandle, when you want to move a player and the player doesn't want to move?

The only thing I'll say is that Drury and the coaches should've raised the temperature incrementally instead of dialing it up all of a sudden.

They skipped right over the benchings for some reason. Whether it was Lavi or not, it’s kneecapped them.

 

[duhmetreE]

They skipped right over the benchings for some reason. Whether it was Lavi or not, it’s kneecapped them.

how the terrible trio have not been limited is astounding... not even just that, they are still heavily leaned upon.

Trouba, Lindgren and Zibs should be limited as much as humanly possible. The staff has dropped the ball on that bigly

 

[FIRE DRURY]

Derailed it right into two ECF appearances in 3 years…
I understand not liking a lot of the moves, but saying he derailed the train when we went deeper into the playoffs than prior to him is a bit off.

Which moves did Drury make that catapulted us to the ECF? The foundation was laid. Fox. Shesty. Panarin. Laffy. Kreider.

Trochek was a good signing, even though he's been off this year. This team got to where it did because of Igor's goaltending and our PP. I don't give much, if any credit to Drury. He hasn't been a good GM.

 

[JohnC]

Which moves did Drury make that catapulted us to the ECF? The foundation was laid. Fox. Shesty. Panarin. Laffy. Kreider.

Trochek was a good signing, even though he's been off this year. This team got to where it did because of Igor's goaltending and our PP. I don't give much, if any credit to Drury. He hasn't been a good GM.

Copp and Vatrano had solid counting stats, but anyone that was paying close attention remembers that Copp got injured against the Islanders in the last few games of the season and was pretty ineffective.

Vatrano was awful and in my 10+ years on this board I don’t think I’ve ever seen a more romanticized 5 goal playoff run.

 

[will1066]

Bern and Ed had a power, game-theory breakfast

Went down at the Airport Sheraton main conference room. Ed wanted Pizza Hut catering (yes, breakfast) but hotel policy is to use on-site catering. Ed charged the nonfat egg whites continental breakfast option to Leo's HFB T&E card.

 

[bhamill]

Which moves did Drury make that catapulted us to the ECF? The foundation was laid. Fox. Shesty. Panarin. Laffy. Kreider.

Trochek was a good signing, even though he's been off this year. This team got to where it did because of Igor's goaltending and our PP. I don't give much, if any credit to Drury. He hasn't been a good GM.

I did not say he catapulted. I said he did NOT derail. I find it hard to believe you can’t see the difference there. Because factually he did not derail us.

 

[IDvsEGO]

I did not say he catapulted. I said he did NOT derail. I find it hard to believe you can’t see the difference there. Because factually he did not derail us.

Drury has mostly done a positive job on mid season deals to add around the edges.

now that we’re post Goodrow I think the signing was a net positive.
The room took a step forward, we got out of the deal without retention or assets attached.
It turned out to be solid work.

 

[Crease]

For posterity, can someone list the contracts Gorton is responsible for vs. Drury.

 

[JohnC]

Drury has mostly done a positive job on mid season deals to add around the edges.

Debatable. He’s dumped A LOT of draft picks for *at best* net-even impact players. He probably had a mandate from above to compete, but he’s treated this team a lot more like Sather did but without a lot of the positives.

 

[IDvsEGO]

Debatable. He’s dumped A LOT of draft picks for *at best* net-even impact players. He probably had a mandate from above to compete, but he’s treated this team a lot more like Sather did but without a lot of the positives.

He's dumped alot of draft picks and yet we've had a first round pick in almost every draft since he's been GM.

I think Tarasenko + mikkola was the right move.
I think Copp was the right move

We've got a solid amount of prospects, Drury is aware that this roster is flawed, and he's not chasing bad money with worse money.
He's not "doubling down" to add an old vet here.

He's doing exactly what we want, and looking to move the biggest lack of performers that he can.
And yet even though he's doing exactly what we all agree should be done, he's being harangued because he f'd the buch trade.
Thats all anyone ever really thinks of his moves.

 

[GAGLine]

I like your optimism but I wouldn't count on Chytil to be around for years to come. He still isn't back from his latest, um, non-concussion.

I'm not counting on it. That's why I mentioned him only have 2 years left at an affordable number. Of our centers, he is the best bang for the buck. If it's healthy, great. If not, he isn't going to hurt us capwise.

 

[mike14]

For posterity, can someone list the contracts Gorton is responsible for vs. Drury.

Drury took over May 5 2021 so Lindgren's 3 year deal is his first one
https://puckpedia.com/signings?team=6&position=&page=2

Site is slightly annoying because they list old contracts for all players currently with the Rangers.

Lindgren (twice), Chytil, Shesty, Mika, Fox, Laf, Quick, Miller, KK and Trocheck would be the major ones

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

This is a retool peoples - 2 rounds of “gone”:

1. Now - Krieder, Lindgren, Trouba

2. Deadline - Shesty, Smith, maybe Miller if he doesn’t turn it around, and Mika if he waives

Template after the season becomes, doesn’t take into account trade returns:

Pan Tro Laf
Cuylle Chytil Perrault/Othmann/xxxx
Berard xxxxx/Mika? Perrault/Othmann/xxxxx
Sykora Carrick Edstrom
Rempe

Xxxxx Fox
Miller Schneider
Jones Mancini

Xxxx/ Garand

 

[UnSandvich]

We have 3 retained salary slots currently. If we're smart we can absolutely make value from those. The important thing is to start making things happen now though. Get every single player's full NTC lists, find out where they'd be looking to go, and start talking to the other teams that they're targeting.

Trouba at 4m per HAS VALUE
Kreider at 3.25 per HAS VALUE
Igor at 2.8 per HAS VALUE
Panarin at 5.75 per HAS TONS OF VALUE
Mika at 4.25 per could theoretically have value though i think its unlikely he's retained on for so long

 

[kovazub94]

I'm not defending the guy but we can't foget that Dolan gave him a mandate to win. It's not like he had a choice in the matter other than turning down the job.

This. Quite a few of the moves that Drury made, were those where he had little room to maneuver. The failing pieces were in place before he became GM and these are the same pieces that got to two ECF.

I also don’t think that firing him from GM is on the table. I wonder what his approach at this moment is going to be, moves of this magnitude normally come in the offseason. IMO forcing these during the season often result in low value coming back. It’s pretty well known that there would have been big moves in the offseason already, question is Drury would try to accelerate the timeline and be willing to give up the season (not saying that they wouldn’t have a chance to still make it), or just make only 1-2 smaller neutral moves.

 

[JohnC]

He's dumped alot of draft picks and yet we've had a first round pick in almost every draft since he's been GM.

I think Tarasenko + mikkola was the right move.
I think Copp was the right move

We've got a solid amount of prospects, Drury is aware that this roster is flawed, and he's not chasing bad money with worse money.
He's not "doubling down" to add an old vet here.

He's doing exactly what we want, and looking to move the biggest lack of performers that he can.
And yet even though he's doing exactly what we all agree should be done, he's being harangued because he f'd the buch trade.
Thats all anyone ever really thinks of his moves.

Keeping firsts is nice, but we should know better than to treat mid round picks as useless. He throws them away like Halloween candy. Dumping picks to get rid of his horrible Nemeth contract? Re-renting Tyler Motte? The Patrick Kane move was ridiculously stupid when it happened and even dumber in hindsight. The list goes on.

Solid amount of prospects might be true (with an exceptional one in there, to be sure) but, without doing any extensive digging, I’d wager our prospect pool is in the bottom half of the league at this stage. Too many players graduated without being backfilled, so for the most part a bunch of “maybe” and “could be” is doing the heavy lifting in that department.

He’s a below average GM that inherited a tricky situation and shouldn’t be tasked with making it better because I genuinely don’t feel he’s capable.

 

[bleedblue94]

Chytil very clearly is trying to avoid body contact.