Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Part XIII (Nanaki edition)

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

Chychrun should have been the guy.

Weren't the Rangers one of the teams on his 10-team no trade list? I seem to recall seeing something where he said he would not come to NY.

 

[Clark Kellogg]

I’m going to stand on a soapbox here. I have been known to give a gentle jab at fellow posters and to this I apologize and hope to willfully not engage in that behavior moving forward.
Some members of our community have pushed away valuable poster over the years. The attack on Edge, the disgusting acquisition against the amazing kriederman and just recently the shade thrown at Rangersfan 1994.
Rangersfan 1994 was voted by his peers, “Rookie of the Year “ for a reason. He gives his time to scourer the internet to find all of us video content which benefits the group.
A majority of the time his video content posts go unappreciated.
If you don’t like someone’s opinion please consider either cordially disagreeing or not responding.
Degrading fellow posters seems self serving and doesn’t benefit our community. Once again to all the people I may have insulted, I apologize and hope to be a better contributor in the future.

 

[effen]

It's really not cool to dogpile on Rangerfan1994 because they want a gritty, tough team. They're allowed to have preferences.

Nobody mocks people for jerking off to PPG seasons 4th rounder overagers have in junior hockey even though they far outnumber and outpost someone like RF1994.

 

[duhmetreE]

Weren't the Rangers one of the teams on his 10-team no trade list? I seem to recall seeing something where he said he would not come to NY.

Maybe but I don’t remember seeing that

 

[noncents]

It's really not cool to dogpile on Rangerfan1994 because they want a gritty, tough team. They're allowed to have preferences.

Nobody mocks people for jerking off to PPG seasons 4th rounder overagers have in junior hockey even though they far outnumber and outpost someone like RF1994.

I’m going to stand on a soapbox here. I have been known to give a gentle jab at fellow posters and to this I apologize and hope to willfully not engage in that behavior moving forward.
Some members of our community have pushed away valuable poster over the years. The attack on Edge, the disgusting acquisition against the amazing kriederman and just recently the shade thrown at Rangersfan 1994.
Rangersfan 1994 was voted by his peers, “Rookie of the Year “ for a reason. He gives his time to scourer the internet to find all of us video content which benefits the group.
A majority of the time his video content posts go unappreciated.
If you don’t like someone’s opinion please consider either cordially disagreeing or not responding.
Degrading fellow posters seems self serving and doesn’t benefit our community. Once again to all the people I may have insulted, I apologize and hope to be a better contributor in the future.

I'll speak up here because I feel as though I'm among those you're speaking to, and also because i was passed over for Rookie of Year.

I feel we do a good job here of criticizing opinions instead of those presenting them, and keeping ribbing lighthearted and not bully-some.

I do however feel that while every hockey opinion is theoretically welcome, there should be a caveat that opinions should be somewhat based in something more than pure vitriol for a player - vitriol to the extent that there's not even a discussion happening, nor any desire to engage in one. It's just a constant spew of hateful criticism levied in the direction of one or more player, and it's often directly contradicted by every measurement we have available to us (except, in the case of one fellow here who thinks Adam Fox sucks, height and weight).

My opinion is that we have a responsibility to maintain a standard of discussion by way of self policing that sometimes can't help but appear to be dogpiling.

A preference for toughness over skill, to paraphrase, is not an opinion that anyone would reasonably hold as immediate grounds for dismissal. If it is, they should reflect on their own biases.

But harping over and over again that this guy sucks, should be waived, is useless, has no value, and exhibiting utter disinterest in any response to that or invitation to expound... after a while that will earn you a rep, and people will start responding to you a certain way. Imo that's a good thing - this isn't an abyss of anonymity like Twitter. Take responsibility for what you say.*

*Game threads are excluded here because when it's happening it can be difficult to be reasonable.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

It's really not cool to dogpile on Rangerfan1994 because they want a gritty, tough team. They're allowed to have preferences.

Nobody mocks people for jerking off to PPG seasons 4th rounder overagers have in junior hockey even though they far outnumber and outpost someone like RF1994.

It'd be one thing if that were it but it really isn't.

Most of what I've seen is just the onslaught of manifesting negativity in any situation for no reason what so ever. Shit like that serves no purpose and thats what I see him getting called on more than the tuffness thing - He's far from the only person who wants that btw and he's not even the most egregious "tuffness" advocate/obsessor.

I know, I know, the ignore feature exists but personally, I try not to use it on people who are regulars on HFNYR here (and I haven't on him) but at a certain point, if you're going to act a certain way, you'd be a fool not to expect a certain kind of response.

To @Clark Kellogg's point though, theres no reason why he shouldn't feel welcomed here so I hope he comes back.

 

[Leonardo87]

So reading the last few posts here is my take on things. Criticism and expressing your opinions is not the issue. The issue is when you cross the line of trolling. Which is over obsession or overkill of negativity. Which goes into the doom and gloom stuff. It creates a toxic atmosphere and turns people off. This happens especially in the GDT’s but then trickles into PGT’s and this thread.

This obsession and/or overkill opinions, then leads into bullying. Where other members gang up on one member or two. No member deserves to be bullied even if they are trolling. Two wrongs don’t make a right, and some folks don’t even know they are trolling, so have to give them the benefit of the doubt in certain situations. Sure, we poke fun at each-other at times, have fun, but when people’s feelings are hurt or they feel bullied then it has crossed the line.

As mods, we need to be paying attention more to what’s going on, and whatnot. Trying to keep this a civil forum, where people can express themselves without flaming or trolling others.

I’ve learned that you can’t please everyone, but you can at least try. I was run off this forum for good reason 8 years ago, came back a better poster and am now a Global mod. So don’t want to see this happen to posters who are good members who just have strong opinions that may lead into flaming, trolling, and bullying.

I recommend to PM myself or another Rangers mod, if you are having issues and feel you are being bullied. The report function is just going to get lost in translation and really want to be more personal with you if there are issues going on here.

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

I’m going to stand on a soapbox here. I have been known to give a gentle jab at fellow posters and to this I apologize and hope to willfully not engage in that behavior moving forward.
Some members of our community have pushed away valuable poster over the years. The attack on Edge, the disgusting acquisition against the amazing kriederman and just recently the shade thrown at Rangersfan 1994.
Rangersfan 1994 was voted by his peers, “Rookie of the Year “ for a reason. He gives his time to scourer the internet to find all of us video content which benefits the group.
A majority of the time his video content posts go unappreciated.
If you don’t like someone’s opinion please consider either cordially disagreeing or not responding.
Degrading fellow posters seems self serving and doesn’t benefit our community. Once again to all the people I may have insulted, I apologize and hope to be a better contributor in the future.

Like the club, I guess we aren’t good at developing players if we sent our rookie of the year down

 

[EdJovanovski]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1848838703453479346

So Rempe challenged Reavo last game but he wouldn’t go lol

 

[bernmeister]

Not my first choice, but there is no way they are going to be able to afford to sign him

disagree
KK is 2.4
3.75 x 8 he thinks about it

 

[lakeshirts37]

Weren't the Rangers one of the teams on his 10-team no trade list? I seem to recall seeing something where he said he would not come to NY.

I dont believe so

 

[TominNC]

I use ignore for the trollish types. I have no time for that nonsense.

 

[B17 Apricots]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1848900649171247342

I want to post this in the Tuba thread but it's locked

 

[noncents]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1848900649171247342

I want to post this in the Tuba thread but it's locked

 

[egelband]

I can't see him being traded. He's more of a self-rental. Our defensive depth isn't great as it is. Drury isn't going to further weaken it.

I think you’re right but the 4D chess move would be to trade Lindgren futures, accrue cap space, and then add an expiring D at the deadline. But I appreciate that’s crazy fantasy sports GM talk. Won’t happen.

 

[egelband]

If I were Lavi, I would be giving Chytil another shot at the top 6 over Zib at this point. Remember, before Chytil got injured last year, he started the season by centering Panarin and Laf, and the three of them looked great together. He carries the puck into the offesive zone well and is the type of guy who can score from the circles with his great shot.

He definitely has top 6 potential. Here's how I'd shake up the forwards:

Panarin-Tro-Laf
Kreider-Chytil-Kakko
Cuyle-Zib-Smith
Edstrom-Carrick-Brod/Rempe

Zibanejad can stay on the PP1 unit but should be replaced by Laf if it starts to struggle. You can't mess with such a productive PP right now.

This also gives Kakko an opportunity to have a bit more ice time to find a scoring touch and a veteran in Kreider to play with. Kreider is a great net-front guy that gives Kakko the opportunity needed to simply get the puck on net with traffic rather than keeping the play to the outside.

This also spreads the veterans/youth players throughout the top 9 so that there is a bit more balance and there is defensive responsibility throughout. Each of the top 3 lines still remains a scoring threat too.

Presently, I don't like how the third line is just a bunch of young guys who need to figure it out together. It's a waste of Chytil's potential. They're contributing to wins by playing low event and defensively responsible hockey, but the team shouldn't be scared to tinker to find the balanced scoring throughout the lineup at even strength that has eluded them for several years now.

At 5v5, Zib produces like a third liner, so he should be treated like one. He has 1 even strength point in 5 games so far. Chytil has 2, but with less opportunity.

I wouldn’t break up the lines. Just give Chytil’s line more ice time. They’re good.

I'll speak up here because I feel as though I'm among those you're speaking to, and also because i was passed over for Rookie of Year.

I feel we do a good job here of criticizing opinions instead of those presenting them, and keeping ribbing lighthearted and not bully-some.

I do however feel that while every hockey opinion is theoretically welcome, there should be a caveat that opinions should be somewhat based in something more than pure vitriol for a player - vitriol to the extent that there's not even a discussion happening, nor any desire to engage in one. It's just a constant spew of hateful criticism levied in the direction of one or more player, and it's often directly contradicted by every measurement we have available to us (except, in the case of one fellow here who thinks Adam Fox sucks, height and weight).

My opinion is that we have a responsibility to maintain a standard of discussion by way of self policing that sometimes can't help but appear to be dogpiling.

A preference for toughness over skill, to paraphrase, is not an opinion that anyone would reasonably hold as immediate grounds for dismissal. If it is, they should reflect on their own biases.

But harping over and over again that this guy sucks, should be waived, is useless, has no value, and exhibiting utter disinterest in any response to that or invitation to expound... after a while that will earn you a rep, and people will start responding to you a certain way. Imo that's a good thing - this isn't an abyss of anonymity like Twitter. Take responsibility for what you say.*

*Game threads are excluded here because when it's happening it can be difficult to be reasonable.

Good statement and I agree wholeheartedly.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1848838703453479346

So Rempe challenged Reavo last game but he wouldn’t go lol

I really can't think of a less consequential thing. I remember 20 years ago a well respected fan on another message board basically saying how he finds hitting as important as what goes on on the ice. Seemed like a good guy but I'm so glad we're seeing fewer of these people. I respect Rempe for playing hard and putting his health on the line but this whole Rempe-Reaves thing is just who cares?

 

[huerter]

If I were Lavi, I would be giving Chytil another shot at the top 6 over Zib at this point. Remember, before Chytil got injured last year, he started the season by centering Panarin and Laf, and the three of them looked great together. He carries the puck into the offesive zone well and is the type of guy who can score from the circles with his great shot.

He definitely has top 6 potential. Here's how I'd shake up the forwards:

Panarin-Tro-Laf
Kreider-Chytil-Kakko
Cuyle-Zib-Smith
Edstrom-Carrick-Brod/Rempe

Zibanejad can stay on the PP1 unit but should be replaced by Laf if it starts to struggle. You can't mess with such a productive PP right now.

This also gives Kakko an opportunity to have a bit more ice time to find a scoring touch and a veteran in Kreider to play with. Kreider is a great net-front guy that gives Kakko the opportunity needed to simply get the puck on net with traffic rather than keeping the play to the outside.

This also spreads the veterans/youth players throughout the top 9 so that there is a bit more balance and there is defensive responsibility throughout. Each of the top 3 lines still remains a scoring threat too.

Presently, I don't like how the third line is just a bunch of young guys who need to figure it out together. It's a waste of Chytil's potential. They're contributing to wins by playing low event and defensively responsible hockey, but the team shouldn't be scared to tinker to find the balanced scoring throughout the lineup at even strength that has eluded them for several years now.

At 5v5, Zib produces like a third liner, so he should be treated like one. He has 1 even strength point in 5 games so far. Chytil has 2, but with less opportunity.

If I were, Lavi I wouldn’t have a top and bottom 6. I would rank the forwards 1-13 and have it posted in the locker room and update it on a daily basis.

 

[egelband]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1848838703453479346

So Rempe challenged Reavo last game but he wouldn’t go lol

I thought Reaves was pretty noticeable in a good way. Good for him. Staged fights are dumb.

 

[bhamill]

disagree
KK is 2.4
3.75 x 8 he thinks about it

If Kakko keeps playing like he is we will find a way to sign him. If he hits 50 pts he’ll prob get like a 2mil raise.
He will not be a cap dump. He is still young, still has upside, and is good value for his contract. IF he ends up traded it will be to upgrade an area of weakness.

 

[bhamill]

If I were Lavi, I would be giving Chytil another shot at the top 6 over Zib at this point. Remember, before Chytil got injured last year, he started the season by centering Panarin and Laf, and the three of them looked great together. He carries the puck into the offesive zone well and is the type of guy who can score from the circles with his great shot.

He definitely has top 6 potential. Here's how I'd shake up the forwards:

Panarin-Tro-Laf
Kreider-Chytil-Kakko
Cuyle-Zib-Smith
Edstrom-Carrick-Brod/Rempe

Zibanejad can stay on the PP1 unit but should be replaced by Laf if it starts to struggle. You can't mess with such a productive PP right now.

This also gives Kakko an opportunity to have a bit more ice time to find a scoring touch and a veteran in Kreider to play with. Kreider is a great net-front guy that gives Kakko the opportunity needed to simply get the puck on net with traffic rather than keeping the play to the outside.

This also spreads the veterans/youth players throughout the top 9 so that there is a bit more balance and there is defensive responsibility throughout. Each of the top 3 lines still remains a scoring threat too.

Presently, I don't like how the third line is just a bunch of young guys who need to figure it out together. It's a waste of Chytil's potential. They're contributing to wins by playing low event and defensively responsible hockey, but the team shouldn't be scared to tinker to find the balanced scoring throughout the lineup at even strength that has eluded them for several years now.

At 5v5, Zib produces like a third liner, so he should be treated like one. He has 1 even strength point in 5 games so far. Chytil has 2, but with less opportunity.

Honestly, the winning move is to keep 50-72-24 together and just give them 2nd line minutes… why break up something so effective that can do this, and get even better, for the next 6 years? Just cut EV time for Zibs line. It will keep them fresher too.

 

[alkurtz]

Watching the first half-dozen games, it has become apparent why the Rangers should, barring injuries or unforeseen circumstances, be considered one of the top teams in the league.

Every team has top end, high level talent. Most teams can ice one top line. But the depth of Rangers, up and down the lineup, the top nine forwards, and the top six (or 7) D separates us from the pack.

Bodes well for the season/

 

[IDvsEGO]

Honestly, the winning move is to keep 50-72-24 together and just give them 2nd line minutes… why break up something so effective that can do this, and get even better, for the next 6 years? Just cut EV time for Zibs line. It will keep them fresher too.

That’s exactly what we’ve been seeing.
Lavi is doing that. And 20-93-91 had the lowest es ice time last night.

 

[bernmeister]

If Kakko keeps playing like he is we will find a way to sign him. If he hits 50 pts he’ll prob get like a 2mil raise.
He will not be a cap dump. He is still young, still has upside, and is good value for his contract. IF he ends up traded it will be to upgrade an area of weakness.

full agree, but add no bread season after next, there will be impetus to keep him

 

[noncents]

That’s exactly what we’ve been seeing.
Lavi is doing that. And 20-93-91 had the lowest es ice time last night.

this is the Way