Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Part XIII (Nanaki edition)

[eco's bones]

Rempe's still only 22 and he's made a lot of progress since we drafted him. This year you could see he's smoothed out a lot of skating issues. He's not a player I'd be in a hurry to give away. If we do deal him I would expect something very good back for him. He will have to pass through waivers to go back to Hartford next year. We have a few roster players who will be UFA's who may or may not be back--Smith, Vesey, Brodzinski---so there is a potential 4th line opening for Rempe depending on what the Rangers decide they want to do. That said these openings might also be there for other players too.

.....and going further we have a lot of very good prospect forwards and there's still some sorting out to be done deciding who to keep and who to move----there's not enough room for all of them. But anyway that group still includes Edstrom in my eyes as well as the other two giants Rempe and Roobroeck...and current Hartford players Berard, Othmann, Sykora, Chmelar and BMB as well as college standouts Perreault and Laba and maybe even Lamb. IMO at least several of these guys should turn into for real NHL players whether it's with the Rangers or some other team.

 

[RGY]

Rempe's still only 22 and he's made a lot of progress since we drafted him. This year you could see he's smoothed out a lot of skating issues. He's not a player I'd be in a hurry to give away. If we do deal him I would expect something very good back for him. He will have to pass through waivers to go back to Hartford next year. We have a few roster players who will be UFA's who may or may not be back--Smith, Vesey, Brodzinski---so there is a potential 4th line opening for Rempe depending on what the Rangers decide they want to do. That said these openings might also be there for other players too.

.....and going further we have a lot of very good prospect forwards and there's still some sorting out to be done deciding who to keep and who to move----there's not enough room for all of them. But anyway that group still includes Edstrom in my eyes as well as the other two giants Rempe and Roobroeck...and current Hartford players Berard, Othmann, Sykora, Chmelar and BMB as well as college standouts Perreault and Laba and maybe even Lamb. IMO at least several of these guys should turn into for real NHL players whether it's with the Rangers or some other team.

I see a lot of trade chips in there to solidify this year’s roster. There are a lot of real potential NHLers as you said. Most may be 2nd/3rd line ceilings but those are still NHLers that fill a role for an acquiring team that is likely rebuilding and need to construct a roster throughout. I have a feeling Berard will be highly sought out in negotiations. I prefer to hold onto him as I see him, not Rempe, as Vesey’s replacement next year.

Beyond that spot the math does not work out for much of the rest. Yes Smith may be gone and yes maybe another veteran is moved such as Kreider, although unlikely, but that’s just 1 more spot in the top 9. More so the Top 6. You aren’t giving that spot to just anyone. Thats likely to have Perrault’s name all over it ahead of the pack. And there is still the possibility that the organization brings in a veteran.

I am willing to move Othmann in the right deal for the right player. It would have to be a legitimate name. I won’t start dropping names, but it has to be that level for me. The window is right now. Regardless of what Trouba said, its not this year and done. Maybe for him it is, but not for the organization. Especially if they are locking up Igor. They will always be competitive with him. Then you still have a new “core” coming into focus headed by Lafreniere, then Cuylle, Kakko (fingers crossed), and I would even say Edstrom. Edstrom is going to be a longtime player in this league. But they have to add a center because we cannot rely on Chytil.

 

[eco's bones]

I see a lot of trade chips in there to solidify this year’s roster. There are a lot of real potential NHLers as you said. Most may be 2nd/3rd line ceilings but those are still NHLers that fill a role for an acquiring team that is likely rebuilding and need to construct a roster throughout. I have a feeling Berard will be highly sought out in negotiations. I prefer to hold onto him as I see him, not Rempe, as Vesey’s replacement next year.

Beyond that spot the math does not work out for much of the rest. Yes Smith may be gone and yes maybe another veteran is moved such as Kreider, although unlikely, but that’s just 1 more spot in the top 9. More so the Top 6. You aren’t giving that spot to just anyone. Thats likely to have Perrault’s name all over it ahead of the pack. And there is still the possibility that the organization brings in a veteran.

I am willing to move Othmann in the right deal for the right player. It would have to be a legitimate name. I won’t start dropping names, but it has to be that level for me. The window is right now. Regardless of what Trouba said, its not this year and done. Maybe for him it is, but not for the organization. Especially if they are locking up Igor. They will always be competitive with him. Then you still have a new “core” coming into focus headed by Lafreniere, then Cuylle, Kakko (fingers crossed), and I would even say Edstrom. Edstrom is going to be a longtime player in this league. But they have to add a center because we cannot rely on Chytil.

I kind of expect the Rangers to pick up another defenseman at the deadline if for no other reason insurance. As the team is now it could gel and if that happens go pretty much as is. If Mika's line gets back to where we hope---the 3rd line is just doing great and I like the elements of the 4th line and we have some forward and defensive depth already. Our bottom pair looks very good---Ruhwedel as 7D and Mancini as another layer--you can't have enough defensemen for playoffs so that's another reason I think we might do something like that.

People here when they talk about moving Rempe---he's a nice pickup for a lot of teams but if the Rangers have a target and just to bring up a couple supposedly available if you're the Penguins and moving Marcus Pettersson or the Bruins moving Trent Frederic your organization is already thin on young talent---Rempe is not who you're going to be looking for from the Rangers---as you've brought up with Othmann he'd be more like it or the 1st rounder. From a Rangers development standpoint yes Rempe will have to go through waivers next year but the following year it will be all of Othmann, Berard and Sykora so I expect at least one of them will be dealt before that happens and maybe two. We just don't have the room for all these guys.

On what Trouba said---I don't believe the Rangers are going to purge all the vets on the team just on what happens this year. I think he and Lindgren are going to be gone by training camp next year though. If that's what he really meant....then okay his time is running out.

 

[AlaBlueShirt]

I don't want to mess with the forwards as of now. Not a single soul in the top six is going to get traded. The CuckFil line is arguably our best and the 4th line has been so good that the HF whip has moved on to other players. The focus needs to be on our D. For the past 3 years Drury has gone out and traded for a top 9/6 forward. This year we need at least one top 4 D-man, wouldn't mind spending a lot for a top pair guy if there was one available. Ship Lindgren out and bury Trouba to the bottom pair.

 

[gump116]

The move is to upgrade Lindgren. The team’s biggest need is a second pair LHD that is solid defensively and can PK. The issue is that there’s no one coming in the pipeline, so this will be a problem beyond this year and the Rangers are going to be tight against the cap this season. Either need to target a rental and then face the same problem next year or somehow find someone with term and a cheap cap hit, possibly with retention, as a longer term solution. The latter will obviously cost a lot more.

Would trade Lindgren with 50% retention now to start banking space for the deadline. The team has cap space for this year and would be building more by trading him early. Might be able to get like a 2nd and a 4th for him, which could be useful assets in a future deal. Just run Schneider-Trouba and Jones-Ruhwedel/Mancini for now.

Closer to the deadline, see what you can get for some combination of Othmann, next years first, and those acquired picks. Hard to know who will be available as a rental or longer term solution, but you’d have more options and could potentially use those picks to get teams to retain beyond this year.

 

[McRanger92]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1859291710225809679

Gorton is killing it in Montreal

 

[bernmeister]

I see a lot of trade chips in there to solidify this year’s roster. There are a lot of real potential NHLers as you said. Most may be 2nd/3rd line ceilings but those are still NHLers that fill a role for an acquiring team that is likely rebuilding and need to construct a roster throughout. I have a feeling Berard will be highly sought out in negotiations. I prefer to hold onto him as I see him, not Rempe, as Vesey’s replacement next year.

Beyond that spot the math does not work out for much of the rest. Yes Smith may be gone and yes maybe another veteran is moved such as Kreider, although unlikely, but that’s just 1 more spot in the top 9. More so the Top 6. You aren’t giving that spot to just anyone. Thats likely to have Perrault’s name all over it ahead of the pack. And there is still the possibility that the organization brings in a veteran.

I am willing to move Othmann in the right deal for the right player. It would have to be a legitimate name. I won’t start dropping names, but it has to be that level for me. The window is right now. Regardless of what Trouba said, its not this year and done. Maybe for him it is, but not for the organization. Especially if they are locking up Igor. They will always be competitive with him. Then you still have a new “core” coming into focus headed by Lafreniere, then Cuylle, Kakko (fingers crossed), and I would even say Edstrom. Edstrom is going to be a longtime player in this league. But they have to add a center because we cannot rely on Chytil.

general agree
want to be more open minded about Berard b'c when we can't afford and SHOULDN'T give bread the 9.4-ish by 5-ish he will want and prob get, if he cut the mustard, that would mean can rely on Gabe P for 1RW, not Panarin replacement.

Howev, unchangeable reality is Berard is crazy ass level shrimp, below 5'10 in a construct where min height should be 6'
Berard MUST play like St. Louis to stick, nothing less.
Not seeing it.

Rempe turning into a unicorn on everything other than scoring at NHL level will take time/experience, that is real, not minimum, and it can be worked at.
Berard can't grow another 5 inches

 

[McRanger92]

I kind of expect the Rangers to pick up another defenseman at the deadline if for no other reason insurance. As the team is now it could gel and if that happens go pretty much as is. If Mika's line gets back to where we hope---the 3rd line is just doing great and I like the elements of the 4th line and we have some forward and defensive depth already. Our bottom pair looks very good---Ruhwedel as 7D and Mancini as another layer--you can't have enough defensemen for playoffs so that's another reason I think we might do something like that.

People here when they talk about moving Rempe---he's a nice pickup for a lot of teams but if the Rangers have a target and just to bring up a couple supposedly available if you're the Penguins and moving Marcus Pettersson or the Bruins moving Trent Frederic your organization is already thin on young talent---Rempe is not who you're going to be looking for from the Rangers---as you've brought up with Othmann he'd be more like it or the 1st rounder. From a Rangers development standpoint yes Rempe will have to go through waivers next year but the following year it will be all of Othmann, Berard and Sykora so I expect at least one of them will be dealt before that happens and maybe two. We just don't have the room for all these guys.

On what Trouba said---I don't believe the Rangers are going to purge all the vets on the team just on what happens this year. I think he and Lindgren are going to be gone by training camp next year though. If that's what he really meant....then okay his time is running out.

Pettersson is a good call. I feel like he's in the mold of a Mikkola type that really help teams in the playoffs. Grzelyck was good once upon a time too. Don't know if he still is, and is a small guy. Went to BU though so Im sure Drury is familiar.

Gavrikov on LA is another guy who needs a new contract. I'd be running to deal Lindgren to accommodate either him or Pettersson.

 

[eco's bones]

If the Rangers bring in a serious LD at the deadline the next move IMO would be to trade Lindgren. There'd be no point in keeping him around then. I just don't know if they'll do that.

Back in 1994 the Rangers made a number of trades at the deadline that included a few regulars in a lineup that was already far ahead of everyone else for the President's trophy. That would be super hard to accomplish these days with all the kinds of issues concerning the cap. To move Lindgren it's almost probably a deal to another playoff bound team. There would be no point in a non-playoff team picking up an unrestricted free agent. Trouba would still have a year to go on his contract but that $8 mil I just don't see any team picking that up without some serious sweetener from us.

 

[eco's bones]

Pettersson is a good call. I feel like he's in the mold of a Mikkola type that really help teams in the playoffs. Grzelyck was good once upon a time too. Don't know if he still is, and is a small guy. Went to BU though so Im sure Drury is familiar.

Gavrikov on LA is another guy who needs a new contract. I'd be running to deal Lindgren to accommodate either him or Pettersson.

He's got size and is very competitive and a very hard player to play against but also I think the Pens are going to have a number of teams asking on him and he's almost certainly going to get a 1st or a 1st round like return. The Pens are thin enough at forward and younger players that I could see them almost immediately sticking someone like Othmann in their top 6. So I think he'd be interesting to them probably even more than our 1st rounder but I also think other teams are going to make serious offers and in the end it will be who offers what they think is the best deal.

If we do move Lindgren I'm not sure what he'll get back. It might be something pretty good too. He's got a decent amount of playoff games and has been on two runs to the conference finals. Some teams might find that attractive. Again it'll have to be a playoff bound team that will trade for him. A non playoff bound team has no real use for an unrestricted free agent moving into his later 20's.

 

[Atax]

Lets be honest. The result of trading for a LD will be Jones coming out and Lindgren staying in.

 

[McRanger92]

If the Rangers bring in a serious LD at the deadline the next move IMO would be to trade Lindgren. There'd be no point in keeping him around then. I just don't know if they'll do that.

Back in 1994 the Rangers made a number of trades at the deadline that included a few regulars in a lineup that was already far ahead of everyone else for the President's trophy. That would be super hard to accomplish these days with all the kinds of issues concerning the cap. To move Lindgren it's almost probably a deal to another playoff bound team. There would be no point in a non-playoff team picking up an unrestricted free agent. Trouba would still have a year to go on his contract but that $8 mil I just don't see any team picking that up without some serious sweetener from us.

Werent there reports that Trouba had multiple suitors last summer and the Rangers would actually get a return for him? Not sure hoe true that is because f*** if I know what NHL GMs really value.

I do think if there are no takers, waiving him like the did Goodrow is absolutely on the table. Getting rid of his full cap hit for 2 is worth getting nothing back in return. Some team would absolutely claim him. Anaheim maybe?

 

[mxyxptlk]

Werent there reports that Trouba had multiple suitors last summer and the Rangers would actually get a return for him? Not sure hoe true that is because f*** if I know what NHL GMs really value.

I do think if there are no takers, waiving him like the did Goodrow is absolutely on the table. Getting rid of his full cap hit for 2 is worth getting nothing back in return. Some team would absolutely claim him. Anaheim maybe?

McR -- I honestly don't see a team picking him off waivers and eating that whole contract. I do think Rangers will find trade partners but I suspect they'll have to retain some.

 

[IDvsEGO]

Werent there reports that Trouba had multiple suitors last summer and the Rangers would actually get a return for him? Not sure hoe true that is because f*** if I know what NHL GMs really value.

I do think if there are no takers, waiving him like the did Goodrow is absolutely on the table. Getting rid of his full cap hit for 2 is worth getting nothing back in return. Some team would absolutely claim him. Anaheim maybe?

That wasn’t confirmed but yeah that was the impression I got.
I think they were all bubble playoff teams looking to take that final step (similar to us getting Goodrow and then taking that big step)
Detroit was the big one.



The real question is what the return would’ve been. Mid tier prospects and no retention would’ve been a massive win.

 

[eco's bones]

Werent there reports that Trouba had multiple suitors last summer and the Rangers would actually get a return for him? Not sure hoe true that is because f*** if I know what NHL GMs really value.

I do think if there are no takers, waiving him like the did Goodrow is absolutely on the table. Getting rid of his full cap hit for 2 is worth getting nothing back in return. Some team would absolutely claim him. Anaheim maybe?

I seriously doubt the Rangers are going to move their captain at the deadline. He is a leader in the locker room and trading him on the eve of going into the playoffs would likely IMO have an adverse effect on the rest of the team and if we went out in the 1st round the knives would be out for Drury and we could be looking at a new GM over the summer. His contract is also really a thing---how much would we retain in a trade?--do we send a valuable prospect or pick with him. Better dealing him or buying him out over the summer. There's something to be said that you go into the playoffs with those who brung you and whatever the fans think of Jacob it's obvious at least to me that's now exactly how management or the players look at him. This summer makes sense to move on from him----it's just a cap compliance thing then for a player running out of term.

 

[McRanger92]

McR -- I honestly don't see a team picking him off waivers and eating that whole contract. I do think Rangers will find trade partners but I suspect they'll have to retain some.

Only 1 year and 6 million of real money left for Trouba after this year. If he's available for free, a team in need of veteran leadership will absolutely claim him.

 

[mxyxptlk]

Only 1 year and 6 million of real money left for Trouba after this year. If he's available for free, a team in need of veteran leadership will absolutely claim him.

Sorry -- thought the contract had 2 years left

 

[McRanger92]

I seriously doubt the Rangers are going to move their captain at the deadline. He is a leader in the locker room and trading him on the eve of going into the playoffs would likely IMO have an adverse effect on the rest of the team and if we went out in the 1st round the knives would be out for Drury and we could be looking at a new GM over the summer. His contract is for one thing---how much would we retain?--do we send a valuable prospect or pick with him. Better probably dealing him or buying him over the summer. There's something to be said that you go into the playoffs with those who brung you and whatever the fans think of Jacob it's obvious at least to me that's now exactly how management or the players look at him. This summer makes sense to move on from him----it's just a cap compliance thing then for a player running out of term.

To clarify, I think Trouba is definitely safe for this season. But he is easily moveable off the roster in the summer without having any dead money on the books for 2025.

Sorry -- thought the contract had 2 years left

My original message was confusing because I said 2 years, but i was referring to the buyout having 2 years of dead money. Mea culpa.

 

[Ruggs225]

I still think we need a dman to partner with Fox for the playoffs. Someone reliable but who is tough as nails, and can wear down opponents.

Then move miller with schneider

And run jones/trouba as the third pair.

This way each dpair has someone who can hit, and has some strength.

Miller/fox might be good now, but i dont trust either in the playoffs together playing 25min plus against a heavy team.

In the playoffs, you need to run your top 4d as much as possible. If u look at past champions the top 4 d was heavily used while the forwards were more evenly spread out. We need to toughen up in our top 4.


Alternatively, i would love to get Radko Gudas and then pair him with Schneider who can play on his off side. Too bad Gudas isnt a LD, we would be a perfect fit

 

[SnowblindNYR]

Ok, question. This will probably not happen but if Lavi decides to use Schneider and Jones as the second pair and the leftover garbage as the third pair is that better than Scheneider and Trouba and Lindgren and Jones? I feel like the latter is still more balanced.

 

[haohmaru]

Gorton is killing it in Montreal

I think you meant to say he’s killing Montreal.

 

[McRanger92]

I think you meant to say he’s killing Montreal.

The Never-Ending Rebuild.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

Would anyone have the appetite to do a Laf for B Tkachuk 1 for 1 trade

 

[Mandar]

I seriously doubt the Rangers are going to move their captain at the deadline. He is a leader in the locker room and trading him on the eve of going into the playoffs would likely IMO have an adverse effect on the rest of the team and if we went out in the 1st round the knives would be out for Drury and we could be looking at a new GM over the summer. His contract is also really a thing---how much would we retain in a trade?--do we send a valuable prospect or pick with him. Better dealing him or buying him out over the summer. There's something to be said that you go into the playoffs with those who brung you and whatever the fans think of Jacob it's obvious at least to me that's now exactly how management or the players look at him. This summer makes sense to move on from him----it's just a cap compliance thing then for a player running out of term.

See: Callahan, Ryan (2014).

As with trading anyone, its all dependent on who you get back.

 

[IDvsEGO]

Would anyone have the appetite to do a Laf for B Tkachuk 1 for 1 trade

God no.
Laf has more upside still.
Tkachuk routinely takes really really stupid penalties and does things that kill the flow of his teams game.