Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Part XIII (Nanaki edition)

[I Eat Crow]

I pretty much don't miss a game and its not about making decisions based on previous years, its about making decisions based on the average of all his years. The truth for him is likely somewhere in the middle of where he is now and where he's been over the past few years and right now he actually has value in the trade market as opposed to where he was last year... If we can get our hands on someone that is comparable but also gives us 3c depth if we need it, it could be a worthwhile option. Just an opinion folks!

To be fair, I've been and still remain a Kakko backer, even if it's evident he's never going to be a superstar.

The time to lock him up to a long term deal was this past summer where he could entertain security in exchange for potential dollars down the road.

The smart play at this point, especially if he continues at his current pace and ends up with 55 to 60 points, mostly at even strength, is to qualify him next summer and see if he can replicate the success next year as well. From there decide if he's a core piece worth a 7 or 8 year deal in the $5 to $6 million AAV range.

 

[TominNC]

I don’t think we should trade a 2OA who is finally showing his various skills and is still young for a different 3rd line wing who can play center just in case.

And with young players averaging their first few years isn’t an accurate indicator.

 

[mbbq22]

To be fair, I've been and still remain a Kakko backer, even if it's evident he's never going to be a superstar.

The time to lock him up to a long term deal was this past summer where he could entertain security in exchange for potential dollars down the road.

The smart play at this point, especially if he continues at his current pace and ends up with 55 to 60 points, mostly at even strength, is to qualify him next summer and see if he can replicate the success next year as well. From there decide if he's a core piece worth a 7 or 8 year deal in the $5 to $6 million AAV range.

Totally makes sense as well. Like any other team, you determine whether you feel like you're in a Stanley Cup window and you make decisions based on getting the Cup knowing that sometimes that may mean parting with good players. I remember 94 vividly and watching the Rangers trade Gartner, Amonte, Doug Weight, etc... Good players that did well for them but in return they filled needs and got a cup.

Theres probably no 100% right answer here and if I could get some Center depth and not give up a player like Kakko, that would be my first choice. But the reality is we need another Center and we probably need to sure up our blue line.

 

[I Eat Crow]

Totally makes sense as well. Like any other team, you determine whether you feel like you're in a Stanley Cup window and you make decisions based on getting the Cup knowing that sometimes that may mean parting with good players. I remember 94 vividly and watching the Rangers trade Gartner, Amonte, Doug Weight, etc... Good players that did well for them but in return they filled needs and got a cup.

Theres probably no 100% right answer here and if I could get some Center depth and not give up a player like Kakko, that would be my first choice. But the reality is we need another Center and we probably need to sure up our blue line.

Drury will find a way. Smart money says that Lindgren and Trouba are not Rangers after this season. You might get a couple of day two picks for Lindgren's rights and likely the Rangers will have to pay to deal Trouba unless they retain.

I'd trade Miller too if there was a hockey trade out there for a comparable LHD, but the options I can think of that would fit well are too going to be too expensive or not available. Fox, Schneider, Jones, and Mancini are your core to build around moving forward. I'd identify a midrange #4 LHD to play with Schneider and play money puck to fill the 3rd LHD slot if Miller is parlayed into a center.

Remaking the left side of the defense and finding a long term solution at 3C are the priorities this summer. I see guys like Othmann, Sykora, Edstrom, and Berard being used in a trade to find those players. Perreault is going to make the team next year if the Rangers want him to leave school. At some point, things get too crowded. You have all of those guys plus Rempe fighting for two spots next year.

 

[GAGLine]

Between 4 to 5 million for 6+ years. Comparable are Mercer, Zacha, Crouse, Chytil, Batherson, etc. Would be a good deal for both sides I think.

You're assuming we'll have the cap space to give him that much.

 

[McRanger92]

Are we allowed to put to bed the narrative that the Rangers can't develop players?

 

[kovazub94]

I don’t think we should trade a 2OA who is finally showing his various skills and is still young for a different 3rd line wing who can play center just in case.

And with young players averaging. Their first few years isn’t an accurate indicator.

We are approaching a point where it’s less up to the organization and more up to the player where he chooses to continue his career. Whether it’s him or the team but he never has been a part of the top-6 group or special teams. Does he have these aspirations? Does he think he’s more likely to get these roles elsewhere?

 

[kovazub94]

@GoAwayPanarin keeping track of how many games Lindgren and Fox are being kept apart by the coach who actively sabotages the team?

 

[80shockeywasbuns]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1859291710225809679

 

[noncents]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1859291710225809679

fun! drury was hartford GM yes?


btw the guy to move is Rempe. he has real value around the league - specifically the jersey-selling EBITDA kind. the kind that in this league, in this sport, can be leveraged by a team that makes money hand over fist even in a down year.

 

[TominNC]

We are approaching a point where it’s less up to the organization and more up to the player where he chooses to continue his career. Whether it’s him or the team but he never has been a part of the top-6 group or special teams. Does he have these aspirations? Does he think he’s more likely to get these roles elsewhere?

He is now. And from here we go forward

 

[kovazub94]

He is now. And from here we go forward

He's now what?

 

[bernmeister]

fun! drury was hartford GM yes?


btw the guy to move is Rempe. he has real value around the league - specifically the jersey-selling EBITDA kind. the kind that in this league, in this sport, can be leveraged by a team that makes money hand over fist even in a down year.

no
want to take advantage of upside realized
AND
we need his size + for the POs
move Vesey + Lindgren asap

 

[GAGLine]

fun! drury was hartford GM yes?


btw the guy to move is Rempe. he has real value around the league - specifically the jersey-selling EBITDA kind. the kind that in this league, in this sport, can be leveraged by a team that makes money hand over fist even in a down year.

Define "real value" and explain to me how it helps us win now.

 

[80shockeywasbuns]

Are we allowed to put to bed the narrative that the Rangers can't develop players?

When berard has more career games than rempe.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

Totally makes sense as well. Like any other team, you determine whether you feel like you're in a Stanley Cup window and you make decisions based on getting the Cup knowing that sometimes that may mean parting with good players. I remember 94 vividly and watching the Rangers trade Gartner, Amonte, Doug Weight, etc... Good players that did well for them but in return they filled needs and got a cup.

Theres probably no 100% right answer here and if I could get some Center depth and not give up a player like Kakko, that would be my first choice. But the reality is we need another Center and we probably need to sure up our blue line.

I wish peopled stopped bringing up the trades from 30 years ago as if teams still operate like that.

 

[noncents]

Define "real value" and explain to me how it helps us win now.

most of what HFboards is is dudes fantasizing about being a GM. they establish their own criteria for on ice value, inevitably overrating their own teams players, and then argue from that viewpoint as if it's objective.

it's fun to imagine what we might be able to trade Zibanejad or Lindgren for - to imagine their value across the league as hockey assets. But it's just wanking, no? It's just hypothesis.


However, what I mean by Rempe's real value is as a financial asset - a player who can drive profit margin. Dude took the league by storm, and was a top 20 jersey seller last year. #2 rookie behind Bedard and he debuted what in Feb? granted BYR have a large fanbase but still - Rempe gets clicks and eyeballs, and ownership sees dollar signs. I think smaller market teams would leap at the opportunity to acquire such an asset. We are a rich organization and can afford to trade a financial asset for a hockey asset. That's my point.

 

[bernmeister]

small pop size but it is clear Brodz fitting in at pivot on kid line means he should stay. When Chytil plays, Brodz can do 4th line w/Edstrom + Rempe

unless there is a return too good to turn down our mid 6 stays
the exception would be bread if he waived, but I don't see him doing that this season
any deal sooner than later, like Trouba + Zib, would be facilitated if to nearby NJ or LI, which w/cap limits options

we need to recognize bread is not gonna take 2 yrs 7.5 he'll want 6 at 9.5 min and we need to stay way away from that
therefore, if we don't want to have nothing for him when his deal is done, we need to not self rent [if return is at least half decent] and deal him
what helps here is even if Gabe P is not Panarin on day 1, he slots as replacement

deal Lindy now
NOW NOW NOW
vesey
we have to keep an eye out
LD til fortescue here
and
if we can't deal Zib [should or should not dep on return, but be prepared to take a bit less] as long as he is not showing chem at pivot w/Kreider, then slot him over to RW

 

[IDvsEGO]

most of what HFboards is is dudes fantasizing about being a GM. they establish their own criteria for on ice value, inevitably overrating their own teams players, and then argue from that viewpoint as if it's objective.

it's fun to imagine what we might be able to trade Zibanejad or Lindgren for - to imagine their value across the league as hockey assets. But it's just wanking, no? It's just hypothesis.


However, what I mean by Rempe's real value is as a financial asset - a player who can drive profit margin. Dude took the league by storm, and was a top 20 jersey seller last year. #2 rookie behind Bedard and he debuted what in Feb? granted BYR have a large fanbase but still - Rempe gets clicks and eyeballs, and ownership sees dollar signs. I think smaller market teams would leap at the opportunity to acquire such an asset. We are a rich organization and can afford to trade a financial asset for a hockey asset. That's my point.

A GM who gives up real assets for rempe and isn't fired into the sun by his owner would be tarred and feathered by their fans.

Rempe is a side show presently. I'm aware that Veeck ran a sideshow in the 50's in the MLB. Those days are over.

 

[effen]

Let's have Kakko hit 41 points once in his career before we start calling him a 40-50 point player.

 

[GAGLine]

However, what I mean by Rempe's real value is as a financial asset - a player who can drive profit margin.

I get that. I was just curious as to what you thought another team would pay for that and how it would help us to trade him.

I don't expect we'd get that much. Nothing that would make a difference.

 

[effen]

Rempe has a very small but nonzero chance of being a unicorn and a very high chance of being a perfectly acceptable 12th/13th forward.

Might as well keep the minimum contract for the sake of the upside.

 

[IDvsEGO]

Rempe has a very small but nonzero chance of being a unicorn and a very high chance of being a perfectly acceptable 12th/13th forward.

Might as well keep the minimum contract for the sake of the upside.

I'd agree to most of that, the odds of him being better than Edstrom are hitting the lotto odds.
Edstrom being in the top 6 has better odds.

 

[MrAlmost]

You're assuming we'll have the cap space to give him that much.

I don't need to assume. We have it. You're assuming we have to sign Igor. We don't. But beyond that the opinion was just that, an opinion on what I think we should do. Not what will be done.

 

[JimmyG89]

I'm not saying all the teams issues would be resolved by trading Lindgren for anything and fill with a replacement level player, but it would make the team significantly better.

You're not moving Trouba right now (obviously), but how much more rope can Lindgren get until the team says they need to make a change? Has to be done before the deadline and the sooner the better.