Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Part XIII (Nanaki edition)

[TominNC]

I still don't think people have mentally adjusted to how high scoring the NHL is right now.

3 GA is a pretty decent defensive effort.

I realize this is a Rangers board so it's expected that our fans obsess on the Rangers and some rarely if ever watch non-Rangers games. Still that shouldn't prevent the logical reasoning that if our team is better than almost everyone else then those teams D must be worse. We can't be better with just Fox and 5 nothings.

 

[McRanger92]

The whole roster is being tried for a war crime for how bad that Washington game was, but you can't react like that to one game, no matter how bad it is.

They overcorrected on what had been a pretty good season before that.

Laviolette reading too many internet comments like Woody Johnson. It's the fans job to complain, it's the organizations job to sift through the bullshit and make the right decision. I trust Drury more than Lavi in that regard. Gives me hope for a Lindgren trade. Trouba is wishful thinking before the Mrs. spring semester.

I realize this is a Rangers board so it's expected that our fans obsess on the Rangers and some rarely if ever watch non-Rangers games. Still that shouldn't prevent the logical reasoning that if our team is better than almost everyone else then those teams D must be worse. We can't be better with just Fox and 5 nothings.

You're forgetting the future 12 million dollar variable that other teams dont have

 

[IDvsEGO]

The whole roster is being tried for a war crime for how bad that Washington game was, but you can't react like that to one game, no matter how bad it is.

They overcorrected on what had been a pretty good season before that.

I think the problem is that the Washington game exposed the top 6 badly.

The top 6 is now finally playing into the style they need to.

Sometimes shakeups are needed to wake a group of guys up.

 

[TominNC]

It's early in the season, experiment! It can't hurt! Have to break up the twins! Now's the time to try! I read all that on this very board.

So Lavy says, ok you idiots, here you go...

Fans - "WTF! How can you break up the lines that are working! AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAahhhhh panic!"

Laviolette reading too many internet comments like Woody Johnson. It's the fans job to complain, it's the organizations job to sift through the bullshit and make the right decision. I trust Drury more than Lavi in that regard. Gives me hope for a Lindgren trade. Trouba is wishful thinking before the Mrs. spring semester.



You're forgetting the future 12 million dollar variable that other teams dont have

He wears our sweater. He counts as part of the equation.

 

[NYR Viper]

Even with Chytil returning this is something we should consider strongly.

We need another young center long term anyway, the fact that Zegras can play wing in the meantime is a bonus, and he'd also serve as Chytil-insurance.

If we can get it for Othmann (we are heavy on wings anyway) and Lindgren (addition by subtraction) we'd be dumb not to consider.

I'd be concerned with how that all fits next year. By all accounts, Perrault will be with the Rangers next year. That leaves:
Panarin
Lafreniere
Kreider
Zegras
Perrault
Kakko
Cuylle
Edstrom
Berard

I'd also argue that this forward group is a bit too focused on 'skill' guys and fitting them under the cap could be a concern. Paying Miller, Kakko and Cuylle could be problematic when they add Zegras @ $5.75m

 

[SnowblindNYR]

All told, so far this season, the Rangers are 6th in GF% and 7th in xGF% at 5v5. They're 17th in corsi but who cares if you can do the other two?

They haven't been a bad team so far this year.

I owe that to hiding Lindgren and Trouba a bit more and having Miller-Fox as a top pair they can lean on for dominant minutes.

Still, the 6th best team is a second round exit. To win it all, I think at least one of those guys needs to be off the ice entirely.

For all the talk about Mika and Kreider (sometimes Panarin), they're underwhelming at worst. The only malignant ingredients on the roster are in the D corps.

But it doesn't work like that. I appreciate advanced stats as much as anyone but you make it sound like the ranking in GF% is correlated 100% to winning. If it were the Carolina Hurricanes would be 5 time defending champs. As long as the Rangers do well there, what's the problem? I think those stats are around where they were in 2013-14 but with better game breakers. Arguably our depth is finally there to match the depth of that team. You could also argue Hank was starting a downswing in his career then. And that team made the SCF.

 

[Machinehead]

But it doesn't work like that. I appreciate advanced stats as much as anyone but you make it sound like the ranking in GF% is correlated 100% to winning. If it were the Carolina Hurricanes would be 5 time defending champs. As long as the Rangers do well there, what's the problem? I think those stats are around where they were in 2013-14 but with better game breakers. Arguably our depth is finally there to match the depth of that team. You could also argue Hank was starting a downswing in his career then. And that team made the SCF.

You're overthinking it.

The team has been good but could be better.

The xGF% rankings aren't 1:1 but I don't think around 6th or 7th so far is out of pocket.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

You're overthinking it.

The team has been good but could be better.

The xGF% rankings aren't 1:1 but I don't think around 6th or 7th so far is out of pocket.

According to Moneypuck Florida was 5th last year. Not a big difference.

 

[Machinehead]

According to Moneypuck Florida was 5th last year. Not a big difference.

I still don't think we're as good as they are.

 

[Greg02]

You're overthinking it.

The team has been good but could be better.

The xGF% rankings aren't 1:1 but I don't think around 6th or 7th so far is out of pocket.

xGF% isn't accounting for goaltending, no?

 

[duhmetreE]

I still don't think we're as good as they are.

You’re right. Their structure and puck movement is way better than ours

 

[offdacrossbar]

Goaltending- at the level we are accustomed to, can create a false sense of security. The reality is if it weren't for god mode Shesty and now even quicky, we're a .500 team.

Until we figure out the defense, this team will be a very good reg season performer and inevitably bounced out of the playoffs when the going gets tough.

Injuries
Veteran legs
Bad defense
Unwillingness to get dirty and score dirty goals

The story is already written unless the suits buy into the defense and greasy goals wins championships thing. Not holding breath

 

[Machinehead]

xGF% isn't accounting for goaltending, no?

No, not at all.

 

[CLW]

You’re right. Their structure and puck movement is way better than ours

Yeh, the fancy regular season stats can say what they want but this team, good as it is, is lacking when it comes to some fundamentals - especially when space is taken away by a strong forecheck or in the neutral and ozone by disciplined teams. We know Panarin, for example, will disappear if the Rangers insist on doing things this same old way in the playoffs too.

Tampa could play several different styles when they won, they could play a disciplined game and grind or they could play more open hockey when needed. The Rangers play one style which works well during the regular season. They really need to add more dimensions, but Lavi is not the guy to do that is he.

 

[duhmetreE]

I haven’t been following much, what’s going on with Jiricek?

 

[bernmeister]

If you come to the conclusion that Kakko should stay (he should), then Othmann seems like a good candidate to be swapped for an equivalent young center or defenseman, even if you have to add a bit.

Cuylle's emergence may make Othmann disposable.

Still, I'd rather deal Kreider, because I'd prefer to focus on the future more than this season.

no pls not you too
youth over vets as a rule has no greater champion here than bern

but CK brings too much for very reasonable $ and is in better shape than most

 

[mbbq22]

I would love to see the Rangers try to acquire a guy like Yegor Chinakhov. Someone with a cap friendly number who can play on the wing but can also slide centrally in a pinch if Chytil were to go down. His style of play and his wheels would certainly fit well on our 3rd line. Obviously I think a move like this would require us to finally move on from Kakko and perhaps someone from the Wolfpack but long term it gives us another younger forward with versatility.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

I would love to see the Rangers try to acquire a guy like Yegor Chinakhov. Someone with a cap friendly number who can play on the wing but can also slide centrally in a pinch if Chytil were to go down. His style of play and his wheels would certainly fit well on our 3rd line. Obviously I think a move like this would require us to finally move on from Kakko and perhaps someone from the Wolfpack but long term it gives us another younger forward with versatility.

I'm not sure I'm feeling the "finally move on from Kakko". Maybe I'm misinterpreting it but it sounds like you can't wait for that to happen. I was there last year but he has been great this year. His biggest issue was that he was drafted 2nd overall. If he was drafted where Cuylle was no one would be so eager to move on from him.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

I would love to see the Rangers try to acquire a guy like Yegor Chinakhov. Someone with a cap friendly number who can play on the wing but can also slide centrally in a pinch if Chytil were to go down. His style of play and his wheels would certainly fit well on our 3rd line. Obviously I think a move like this would require us to finally move on from Kakko and perhaps someone from the Wolfpack but long term it gives us another younger forward with versatility.

Why would the Jackets trade him?

 

[Psycho for Perreault]

I would love to see the Rangers try to acquire a guy like Yegor Chinakhov. Someone with a cap friendly number who can play on the wing but can also slide centrally in a pinch if Chytil were to go down. His style of play and his wheels would certainly fit well on our 3rd line. Obviously I think a move like this would require us to finally move on from Kakko and perhaps someone from the Wolfpack but long term it gives us another younger forward with versatility.

Finally, we can move on from a guy who is in the running for being on the ice for the least goals against in the league!

Have you watched the Rangers this year?

 

[TominNC]

Finally, we can move on from a guy who is in the running for being on the ice for the least goals against in the league!

Have you watched the Rangers this year?

It’s like people don’t watch the games and spout opinions based on previous years.

 

[duhmetreE]

LHD


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Everything else

Any assets used need to be for LHD.

 

[I Eat Crow]

More and more people are going to come around to my suggestion of offering Kakko the Calle Jarnkrok contract. 8 years, $24 million, $3 million AAV in the offseason.

If the cap goes up, that's a bargain for a 40-50 point player that is on pace to be a Selke nominee at some point in his career. I have a suspicion it's going to take more than $3 million to lock him in, however.

 

[IDvsEGO]

More and more people are going to come around to my suggestion of offering Kakko the Calle Jarnkrok contract. 8 years, $24 million, $3 million AAV in the offseason.

If the cap goes up, that's a bargain for a 40-50 point player that is on pace to be a Selke nominee at some point in his career. I have a suspicion it's going to take more than $3 million to lock him in, however.

There is zero chance he takes a 3m deal.
He’s got one more rfa year and then he’s a ufa.
Even under the assumption that he is ok with a minimal raise, you’re looking at 4.5-5 for his ufa.

And if he hits similar numbers to lafs last season, while getting even less time than laf?
Yeah he’s gonna get 6+

 

[mbbq22]

I pretty much don't miss a game and its not about making decisions based on previous years, its about making decisions based on the average of all his years. The truth for him is likely somewhere in the middle of where he is now and where he's been over the past few years and right now he actually has value in the trade market as opposed to where he was last year... If we can get our hands on someone that is comparable but also gives us 3c depth if we need it, it could be a worthwhile option. Just an opinion folks!