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Speculation: Roster Building Thread Part XIII: Have no fear, the TDL is near (Mod Post page 233, #5809 - READ IT)

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kovazub94 said:
Jeez, your perfect plan brings Galchenyuk, Bozak, Kostin, Domi, Martin and Roussel but our first pair D is Staal - ADA?
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It also brought back Foote and Fabbro who I would think would be ready mid-season and a ton of 1st rounders in a very deep defense draft. The forward corps should be very young and improved while the defense marinate a bit.

I also just threw Staal-ADA together as I think they compliment eachother well. Whether that is #1 or #2 really is just semantics.
 
NYR Viper said:
Okay here goes with my ideal plan

Deadline move:

To NSH:
Rick Nash

To NYR:
Dante Fabbro + NSH 1st '18


To DAL:
Michael Grabner

To NYR:
DAL 1st '18


To TOR:
Nick Holden

To NYR:
TOR 3rd '18


To TB:
Ryan McDonagh @ $2.35m cap hit

To NYR:
Cal Foote + Brett Howden + Anthony Cirelli + TB 1st '18 + TB 1st '19


To STL
Mats Zuccarello

To NYR:
Klim Kostin + STL 2nd '19



At the draft:

To EDM:
JT Miller + NYR 3rd '18

To NYR:
EDM 1st '18 (assuming this pick is in the 5-8 range)


To MON:
Kevin Hayes

To NYR:
Alex Galchenyuk + MON 2nd '18


To NYR:
Matt Martin + TOR 3rd '18

To TOR:
Adam Tambellini


TO ARI:
NYR 2nd '18 + MON 2nd '18

To NYR:
Max Domi


Picks in the draft:
NYR 1st
EDM 1st
TB 1st
DAL 1st
NSH 1st

NYR 2nd
MON 2nd


In free agency, the Rangers sign:

Tyler Bozak
3 years @ $4m per season

Antoine Roussel
3 years @ $1.75m

Roster next season:

Kreider-Zib-Buch
Galchenyuk-Bozak-Kostin
Domi-Chytil-Lettieri
Martin-Andersson/Nieves-Roussel

Staal-ADA
Skjei-Shattenkirk
Graves-Pionk
Kampfer

Hank

This assumes none of the 1st rounders from 2018 are on the team
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One move I would change up is the Miller move--while I think it' a fair offer I would try to trade Miller for a defenseman.

Possible Ekman-Larsson from Arz.
Or Klefbom from Phoenix

Klefbom is signed until 2023 at a good rate--where as Ekman-Larsson has just this year and next.

A defense with

Staal/ADA--Klefbom/Ekman-Larsson
Skjei-Shattenkirk
Graves/Smith
Kampfer/ADA

Looks stronger. Plus I could never imagine 5 first round picks.

Even if the Rangers traded 2 first picks together to move what a sight it would be to see JG go up to the podium 4 times.
 
bobbop said:
Frankly, I am less worried about the forward group than I am about the back end. If McDonagh is going to be moved, the Rangers do not have a future top pair defenseman anywhere in the system. In my mind, that's the top priority both during this clearance sale and the next couple of drafts
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I don't think we have a top 4 dman anywhere in our system, so I agree that it needs to be a focus.
 
I don't think Freidman is that crazy to speculate the Rangers could spend money in free agency.

The bottom line is even though this team is flawed, although I do truly fault AV's system for it, this team was comfortable in a playoff spot until the injuries started piling on which started with Zibanejad then Kreider pretty much after Zib came back. Losing Kreider had this team lose a huge element of its size, speed, and physicality. I don't think it is a coincidence this team spiraled downward after his injury.

This is how I can see the following happening:

  • Trade Nash for 1st round pick + 2nd round pick + prospect
  • Trade Grabner for 1st
  • Trade Holden for 3rd
  • Trade Desharnais for 5th
  • Trade Zucc for 1st round pick + Prospect
  • Firing AV after the season
  • You have (4) 1st round picks and possibly (2) 2nd round picks, (2) 3rd round picks in a decent draft
  • Re-sign Nash at an AAV of $3.5-4 mil per year for 3 years. Get him to the age 35 contract range after that deal and go from there ala Iginla
  • Re-sign Grabner at AAV similar to Nash
  • Sign Tavares at $10-11 million per
  • Sign Kovalchuk at $3-4 million per
You have stock piled top end talent of prospects from trades and draft. Promote Andersson. Let Chytil start in Hartford to develop more.

Kovalchuk-Tavares-Nash
Kreider-Zib-Buchnevich
Miller-Hayes-Grabner
Lettieri-Andersson-Fast

McDonagh-Skjei
Smith-Shattenkirk
Staal-ADA
Pionk/Graves

Hank
???

That team could compete. Yes that is banking on Smith turning it around. But who knows you could end up drafting a high end defenseman. You have immediately turned around the franchise farm system while basically carrying the team through in a competitive manner. As your prospects develop you can insert them into the lineup replacing a guy like Kovalchuk, Grabner, Nash in the years to follow so that ship keeps coasting along.
 
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howztheglass said:
One move I would change up is the Miller move--while I think it' a fair offer I would try to trade Miller for a defenseman.

Possible Ekman-Larsson from Arz.
Or Klefbom from Phoenix

Klefbom is signed until 2023 at a good rate--where as Ekman-Larsson has just this year and next.

A defense with

Staal/ADA--Klefbom/Ekman-Larsson
Skjei-Shattenkirk
Graves/ADA-Pink
Kampfer

Looks stronger. Plus I could never imagine 5 first round picks.

Even if the Rangers traded 2 first picks together to move what a sight it would be to see JG go up to the podium 4 times.
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I wouldn't be opposed to Klefbom. I'd wait for OEL to hit the open market, which he most likely will. That or go after Doughty/Karlsson when they make it there
 
RGY said:
I don't think Freidman is that crazy to speculate the Rangers could spend money in free agency.

The bottom line is even though this team is flawed, although I do truly fault AV's system for it, this team was comfortable in a playoff spot until the injuries started piling on which started with Zibanejad then Kreider pretty much after Zib came back. Losing Kreider had this team lose a huge element of its size, speed, and physicality. I don't think it is a coincidence this team spiraled downward after his injury.

This is how I can see the following happening:

  • Trade Nash for 1st round pick + 2nd round pick + prospect
  • Trade Grabner for 1st
  • Trade Holden for 3rd
  • Trade Desharnais for 5th
  • Trade Zucc for 1st round pick + Prospect
  • Firing AV after the season
  • You have (4) 1st round picks and possibly (2) 2nd round picks, (2) 3rd round picks in a decent draft
  • Re-sign Nash at an AAV of $3.5-4 mil per year for 3 years. Get him to the age 35 contract range after that deal and go from there ala Iginla
  • Re-sign Grabner at AAV similar to Nash
  • Sign Tavares at $10-11 million per
  • Sign Kovalchuk at $3-4 million per
You have stock piled top end talent of prospects from trades and draft. Promote Andersson. Let Chytil start in Hartford to develop more.

Kovalchuk-Tavares-Nash
Kreider-Zib-Buchnevich
Miller-Hayes-Grabner
Lettieri-Andersson-Fast

McDonagh-Skjei
Smith-Shattenkirk
Staal-ADA
Pionk/Graves

Hank
???

That team could compete. Yes that is banking on Smith turning it around. But who knows you could end up drafting a high end defenseman. You have immediately turned around the franchise farm system while basically carrying the team through in a competitive manner. As your prospects develop you can insert them into the lineup replacing a guy like Kovalchuk, Grabner, Nash in the years to follow so that ship keeps coasting along.
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This is a viable solution for sure. But I just don't see Tavares moving to the Rangers. And if he doesn't then the team is back where it was this year pretty much.
 
NYR Viper said:
I wouldn't be opposed to Klefbom. I'd wait for OEL to hit the open market, which he most likely will. That or go after Doughty/Karlsson when they make it there
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Yeah I see your plan good young forwards for 2018. Draft high end players. Wait until 2019 and go after OEL/Doughty/Karlssn makes sense.
 
NYR Viper said:
This is a viable solution for sure. But I just don't see Tavares moving to the Rangers. And if he doesn't then the team is back where it was this year pretty much.
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I think it a very viable solution. I don't think Friedman is crazy. The Rangers have a lot of good parts. It is why we have made the playoffs so many consecutive years. Even in years when we thought we wouldn't or at least not go far ala last year, we had the right parts that with a couple of bounces are way we could sneak through round to round. Should have made it to the ECF last year yet again.

This all starts with the right moves at the deadline then firing the coach. I AGREE, that the next moves all then start with Tavares. If you don't get Tavares don't bother with Kovalchuk. Still re-sign Nash and Grabner so you don't have a young lineup getting demolished every night. Let Chytil step in.
 
howztheglass said:
Random thought if you had your choice to the packages below would you take it.

McD to Boston for

Spooner
Carlo
Bjorn
Forsbacka-Karlsson
2018 1st round pick

Personally I like Spooner whom could slot in as our number 2 center. To much from Boston ?

McD to TB for--would want Serg but that'
Not happening.

Foote
Howden
Stephens/Joseph
2018 first round pick
2019 2 round pick turns to a first if they reach the cup finals. Maybe we could get a different player other then Stephens or Joseph like Point whom I really want if we took but Colburn and his salary.

Last McD to Toronto for

Marner
Kapenen
2018 1st round pick if we take back M Martin.

All of these wishful packages are with McD @ 50% and again I'm saying if these package were offered by each team. Just would like to know what other think of these offers.
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No way I take the Boston one. Spooner can't score(goals), although I do think he's a solid player, and Carlo simply isn't anything special. JFK is good, and the pick is going to be later.

For the Tampa one, before that, Point isn't being traded. It's been established by fans(and most likely by Yzerman) that neither him or Sergachev are going anywhere. It makes no sense. But I like this Tampa package the best.

As for the TOR package, don't think Marner is getting dealt.
 
I do not see this team having 4 1sts in this upcoming draft. Three is probably the most and that could be from a potential trade to move up in the draft or wanting to get a player who is 19 or 20 that is going to be closer to the NHL then a later 1st needing 1-2 years to be close.

All their rentals are probably going to be moved for picks. I don't see them getting players over picks for their rentals.

For McDonagh/Zucc/Miller, I can see them prioritizing players between 19-21 being in the package. McDonagh would include a 1st, but I can see them making a stand on getting a top 10 prospect right now for him (Sergachev, Puljujarvi, etc)
 
Igor Shestyorkin said:
No way I take the Boston one. Spooner can't score(goals), although I do think he's a solid player, and Carlo simply isn't anything special. JFK is good, and the pick is going to be later.

For the Tampa one, before that, Point isn't being traded. It's been established by fans(and most likely by Yzerman) that neither him or Sergachev are going anywhere. It makes no sense. But I like this Tampa package the best.

As for the TOR package, don't think Marner is getting dealt.
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Fair enough thanks. I also agree with Toronto and Marner.
 
I have no desire to sign all these big name guys in free agency

You could convince me to re-sign Nash if the price is right, and maybe Kovalchuk. But that’s about it
 
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howztheglass said:
Yeah I see your plan good young forwards for 2018. Draft high end players. Wait until 2019 and go after OEL/Doughty/Karlssn makes sense.
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This is something I can see. Plan for next season to be bad again. Try to win the Jack Hughes sweepstakes. That would be 3 years of (hopefully) top-10 picks. 2+ years (hopefully) of multiple first round picks. Re-stocked system.

Then consider going for one of the huge name D man to supplement the roster in UFA next year.
 
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HatTrick Swayze said:
This is something I can see. Plan for next season to be bad again. Try to win the Jack Hughes sweepstakes. That would be 3 years of (hopefully) top-10 picks. 2+ years (hopefully) of multiple first round picks. Re-stocked system.

Then consider going for one of the huge name D man to supplement the roster in UFA next year.
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I'm on board with this plan.
 
Silly thought.

What if the Rangers package McD and Miller.

To Edmonto for
Klefbom
Puljujari
Yamamoto/Bear
2018 1st
2019 2nd

To little to much--the drugs from my surgery yesterday are finally going to my head. Just looking for a different location then has been discusse over and over.
 
NYR Viper said:
It also brought back Foote and Fabbro who I would think would be ready mid-season and a ton of 1st rounders in a very deep defense draft. The forward corps should be very young and improved while the defense marinate a bit.

I also just threw Staal-ADA together as I think they compliment eachother well. Whether that is #1 or #2 really is just semantics.
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As I just stated in a separate post about forwards. And I respectfully disagree with your definition of “semantics” as Staal and ADA would be a third line in my book, not even second.
 
HatTrick Swayze said:
This is something I can see. Plan for next season to be bad again. Try to win the Jack Hughes sweepstakes. That would be 3 years of (hopefully) top-10 picks. 2+ years (hopefully) of multiple first round picks. Re-stocked system.

Then consider going for one of the huge name D man to supplement the roster in UFA next year.
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Makes a ton more sense to me than trying to throw all these high profile names with large contracts into the mix and hoping it all works out. Give them a year or so to embrace a real rebuild, then see what they have and what they figure they can not develop internally.
 
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