Roster Building Thread - Part XII

[Harbour Dog]

I'm curious as to how they came up with this ranking. It's not alphabetical.

I'm guessing this is just the order (or inverse order) that the teams were plugged into the array within the code the last time we changed up divisions, and when they're all pulled at the same time with no tie breaks separating them, they just get spit out like this.

 

[LOFIN]

I can't agree with this enough. Signing Panarin and trading/signing Trouba were dumb at the time; they weren't ready to go all in. The Trouba contract looks even worse now. The people running this organization have attention spans of a gnat. Whatever their plan/strategy is/was, if they had one, was and is idiotic

Or, most likely, it was owner driven. I think the Montreal rebuild is going pretty decently with Gorton at the reins. Taking a shot with Laine is in no way comparable to the commitment on Panarin and Trouba btw, before someone points that out.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Or, most likely, it was owner driven. I think the Montreal rebuild is going pretty decently with Gorton at the reins. Taking a shot with Laine is in no way comparable to the commitment on Panarin and Trouba btw, before someone points that out.

Montreal has had no cap to spend since he got there.

The owner driven stuff is nonsense. This is what Gorton (with full backing from JD) wanted.

 

[LOFIN]

Montreal has had no cap to spend since he got there.

Yeah, because what would they want to spend it on?

 

[Machinehead]

Dolan is an asshole for the same reason they're all assholes but we can't keep leaning on that.

He left Leon Rose alone and let him build an empire. If the Knicks can do a well-executed rebuild, he'll let us do it too.

 

[Machinehead]

We already had the Kakko pick when Gorton made all his big moves in 2019. He won one lottery and thought he was taking a shortcut.

He massively overvalued Kakko, and the picks he made leading up to Kakko, which were mostly ass. It ruined our rebuild.

We were already too good to be bottom dwellers but not good enough to win by the following year. He hit the emergency break on a rebuild inside 12 months. It was over.

We deserved to miss out on Lafreniere and got extremely lucky.

 

[CLW]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1843328560955871682

Funny not funny

He'll fart around until well into December, seen that movie before.

 

[Mugless]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1843364771854463136

https://x.com/i/web/status/1843364775486730527

https://x.com/i/web/status/1843364778917670964

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Edmonton is one of the dumbest franchises ever, they just let Lavoie go on waivers to Vegas. Idiots, I would have loved to have made a deal for him here, he needs a change of scenery. Meanwhile we're worried bout putting Ahl superstar Brodzinski on waivers lol

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Yeah, because what would they want to spend it on?

We will never know because the dollars weren’t there but you can be pretty sure JG would have tried to expedite things had he had the funds for it.

 

[Mugless]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1843362041366753453

https://x.com/i/web/status/1843355642901475533

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

When does this freakin season start already?

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

We got Trouba first, then Fox.
We had zero rhd and we needed someone to eat the tough minutes.
The Trouba contract is peanuts if there isn’t a pandemic.
The Panarin contract isn’t the squeeze it is if there isn’t a pandemic.

The rangers made logical mover. Panarin didn’t suddenly push us into a middling playoff team ruining the rebuild.
The rangers were targeting guys like zegras and lundell.

We don’t miss on one of Andersson, vk. We have a cup.

Trouba contract is bad even if the Cap is 110 million.

We paid him that money thinking he could be a #1 or a at least a #2

He was ehhhh okay the first year but now he’s just terrible and being paid nearly as much as Fox

 

[chosen]

Because they see it for one game, typically, then prepare for the next team. When you see it for a few nights in a row, with a week to concentrate on it with no other power plays to worry about facing, they actually have a real opportunity to adjust.
Also, if I was just that Fox was hurt, why was PP1 on an absolute tear, WITH him hurt, prior to us going 2 for 27 in the last 10 games? There’s more than one factor here. Fox being hurt, PP1 just plain going cold, teams being better the deeper you go AND teams having time to adjust to an unchanging configuration and predictable execution ARE ALL FACTORS.

You don't believe that every NHL team has tons of video of every other team?

You make it sound like a team comes into town and is shocked at the tendencies of their opponent. That's a comical take.

 

[McRanger92]

I predict Mancini will perform like one of our best 4 defenseman, in however many games he gets into. Long term i am actually very high on the defense. Fox, Miller, Schneider all have tons of experience for young players. There are times of frustration but i expect them to keep improving. Jones is making a believer out of me. We are dying for that kind of offense on the backend. The sooner Lindgren and Trouba gone from this team, the better. They jam everything up. The team needs a veteran top 4 guy who doesnt suck.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Trouba contract is bad even if the Cap is 110 million.

We paid him that money thinking he could be a #1 or a at least a #2

He was ehhhh okay the first year but now he’s just terrible and being paid nearly as much as Fox

We paid him that money with the intention the cap would go up, it didn't, it made it much worse. I don't believe they thought he would be a #1 on a cup team and to be honest he was fine the first few years of his deal, he seems to have lost a step and maybe the C put undue pressure on him, if he was making 4 mill nobody would care, which is where he should have been as a percentage by now. I honestly have no problem with how they did it, it got us here, it's unfortunate that covid killed the cap increase.

I predict Mancini will perform like one of our best 4 defenseman, in however many games he gets into. Long term i am actually very high on the defense. Fox, Miller, Schneider all have tons of experience for young players. There are times of frustration but i expect them to keep improving. Jones is making a believer out of me. We are dying for that kind of offense on the backend. The sooner Lindgren and Trouba gone from this team, the better. They jam everything up. The team needs a veteran top 4 guy who doesnt suck.

I think lindgren as a 3rd pair d, getting him away from star matchups would benefit everyone. The best scenario is that Jones and someone else on the left side make him expendable. Mancini isn't going to do that from the right side, and a right d playing the left side is only a temporary solution.

 

[LOFIN]

We will never know because the dollars weren’t there but you can be pretty sure JG would have tried to expedite things had he had the funds for it.

I'm not missing Gorton one bit, but the gamble on Laine and signing of Panarin/Trouba really have nothing in common TBH. Montreal kids are in a better position already, and ahead in the pecking order. They are doing the rebuild properly still, Laine deal isn't really hurting them in that regard.

 

[Ruggs225]

We paid him that money with the intention the cap would go up, it didn't, it made it much worse. I don't believe they thought he would be a #1 on a cup team and to be honest he was fine the first few years of his deal, he seems to have lost a step and maybe the C put undue pressure on him, if he was making 4 mill nobody would care, which is where he should have been as a percentage by now. I honestly have no problem with how they did it, it got us here, it's unfortunate that covid killed the cap increase.

He was coming off a 50pt season, was 25 years old. He also had 18 PP pts.

They thought he was going to be a #1 or at least a #2.

His contract was the 5th highest for dmen at the time. Higher than Hedman even. Its still 17th among all dmen currently. That is #1 defensemen money.

You dont make a player the 5th highest at his position if u dont think he will be one of the best at his position.

There is no other way to slice it. They thought he was a#1. Paid him like a #1. And were wrong. Very very wrong.

 

[FIRE DRURY]

Maybe, but doesn't mean you surrender
He wants accommodation, fine, but so do we.

Accommodation - NMC which turns into a Limited NTC with 15 teams starting in year 4 or 5 of his contract. Similar to what Kreider, Trouba, etc. That's likely what we're going to see with Shesty.

 

[Ruggs225]

Accommodation - NMC which turns into a Limited NTC with 15 teams starting in year 4 or 5 of his contract. Similar to what Kreider, Trouba, etc. That's likely what we're going to see with Shesty.

If we are dumb enough to give shesty 11m or more he wont need any protection.

No other team would be dumb enough to allocate that much to a goaltender.

He would be absolutely untradeable anyway. Goalies normally have low value (bc they arent as valuable as some believe) and noboody contending would have the cap space for the awfulness of that contract

 

[eco's bones]

I was actually hesitant to include him at first. But he is also the exact type of dman u want in the playoffs. I think he is going to play top 4 for them.


Either way the main point stands that top 4 dmen are available every year as UFAs

Dillon's also 33 and signed through age 36. Whether he's top 4 now--debatable one would think that by the end of his 3 year term he won't be. He'll be more like our Goodrow contract only a bit older player.

This is a problem with free agency. You get the younger better ones and you have to give them longer term and lots of money and towards the end of their term you could easily be complaining about their contracts like people complain about Trouba's now. You get the older better free agents and it's shorter terms but they might only be effective for a year or two.

In any case the Rangers didn't have a lot of money to go shopping this free agency. FWIW also though some of our older guys (Panarin, Kreider) are still giving us really good value and Trocheck so far looks great. Panarin blew the doors off in the regular season last year and Kreider's best 3 seasons by far have been his last 3 years and since he turned 30.

As far as the Rangers D--Fox is outstanding and I really like Miller, Schneider, Mancini.....they're all big and mobile. Rather being doing this with younger D than older D.

 

[bernmeister]

Stop.

Garand cannot hold Igor's jock.

no stop, proceed forward
Garand does not have to = or surpass Igor

he just has to sufficiently get the job done

we CAN NOT long term retain Shesty hit as a % of the roster cap
That $$$ has to be repurposed

 

[eco's bones]

Edmonton is one of the dumbest franchises ever, they just let Lavoie go on waivers to Vegas. Idiots, I would have loved to have made a deal for him here, he needs a change of scenery. Meanwhile we're worried bout putting Ahl superstar Brodzinski on waivers lol

24 year old with 7 NHL games. 4 AHL seasons and hasn't been able to break into their lineup. Doesn't mean he won't with Vegas but Knoblauch did great for the Oilers after they poached him out of Hartford last year.

 

[bernmeister]

Accommodation - NMC which turns into a Limited NTC with 15 teams starting in year 4 or 5 of his contract. Similar to what Kreider, Trouba, etc. That's likely what we're going to see with Shesty.

NO, per bern NO MO NMCs TO ANYBODY FOR ANY REASON, PERIOD
will consider extensive ntcs on isolated case by case basis

not good enuf for Shesty TRADE HIM NOW

 

[SA16]

NO, per bern NO MO NMCs TO ANYBODY FOR ANY REASON, PERIOD
will consider extensive ntcs on isolated case by case basis

not good enuf for Shesty TRADE HIM NOW

Congratulations your strategy has now yielded one of the worst teams in the league since you will just never sign or extend any top players.