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Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XII

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Pionk is increasing his trade value by the day.

Package of Pionk, Zucc, 2nd Round pick, 3rd Round pick for Nylander? Gives them a young RD and a vet scoring winger for a team that is a cup contender.
 
RGY said:
Pionk is increasing his trade value by the day.

Package of Pionk, Zucc, 2nd Round pick, 3rd Round pick for Nylander? Gives them a young RD and a vet scoring winger for a team that is a cup contender.
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Not enough.

Nylander isnt ending up here unless we get stupid.
 
RGY said:
Pionk is increasing his trade value by the day.

Package of Pionk, Zucc, 2nd Round pick, 3rd Round pick for Nylander? Gives them a young RD and a vet scoring winger for a team that is a cup contender.
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That wouldn't be enough to land Nylander.
 
Go Away Staal said:
Not enough.

Nylander isnt ending up here unless we get stupid.
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GAS, what are the adds? Replace Zucc with Buch? Nylander signing a bridge deal doesnt help them they will still be in cap hell in 1-2 years even with Marleau coming off the books. Marner. Matthews. Others. A future 1st included? Or another prospect? Its practically November and this kid isnt signed. I am hearing Nylander doesnt want a bridge deal, he wants the long term contract because of the cba expiring
 
Edge said:
I think it depends on what one views as quick.

I think for people thinking we'd be looking to making the playoffs in 2019-20, reality is starting to kick-in.

But I also think there's a ton of talent and potential in the system. But I don't think we fully understand the concept of just how young our prospects are at this point. We're not talking about 21 or 22 year olds, who would be considered young in their own right. We're talking teenagers and 20 year old prospects in many cases.

I think 2020-21 is when things could really start getting interesting and competitive.

But I think there's going to be another season like this in 2019-2020.
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Frankly, this franchise needs consecutive bottom five finishes just to increase the high end talent level.
 
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Go Away Staal said:
Depends.

If they hit the jackpot in the lottery and sign Panarin/Karlsson, I think they’re right on the doorstep of the playoffs if not knocking the door down.

Part of me would love you to be right and see them go full oilers at the lottery and end up with the 1OA in 2019 and 2020
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Hughes and Lafrenière? Sign me the hell up. There’s enough Guinness in the world to last me until Summer 2020.
 
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Right-sided D are important and valuable. Pionk, if he develops properly, is an all situations defenseman who could log 23-25 with a more talented LD partner.
 
RGY said:
GAS, what are the adds? Replace Zucc with Buch? Nylander signing a bridge deal doesnt help them they will still be in cap hell in 1-2 years even with Marleau coming off the books. Marner. Matthews. Others. A future 1st included? Or another prospect? Its practically November and this kid isnt signed. I am hearing Nylander doesnt want a bridge deal, he wants the long term contract because of the cba expiring
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Probably replace Zucc with Chytil/Andersson.

Maybe Buchnevich if they reallllly like Pionk but Dubas is a fan of analytics so probably not.

I like Nylander but I wouldn't trade for him. I don't think we've even sorted out what we have here.
 
Go Away Staal said:
Probably replace Zucc with Chytil/Andersson.

Maybe Buchnevich if they reallllly like Pionk but Dubas is a fan of analytics so probably not.

I like Nylander but I wouldn't trade for him. I don't think we've even sorted out what we have here.
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Well if Dubas does like Pionk or if they feel more pressure to get an RD then Pionk’s value could increase for us to them. Pionk is also young and wouldnt just be some short term solution. He can be a longterm RD.

I think you can make it happen with Pionk, Buch, 2nd, 3rd.

And you recoup those picks via trading our other assets while getting a potential elite winger in Nylander.
 
pionk needs to keep playing well, if he does he cements himself as a core guy in that top 6 defense.

or he can be moved if there is demand in a hockey trade.

at this rate, this team will challenge for worst in the league.

you land jack hughes and another high end player like art kaliyev in this draft and some how sign panarin plus a few of the hartford kids and krav plus shesty you could find this team faster, more talented, younger and right back into the playoff picture next season.

imagine hughes and his playmaking and kaliyev and that shot together.

remember, we must LOSE to CHOOSE HUGHES
 
East Coast Bias said:
That's a top pairing dman. if he's playing 25 mins a game for us on the top pairing, we're not good.
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Remember how the stats contigent of HF used to run around with our hair on fire about Girardi being on the top pairing? Pionk's current impact is an order of magnitude worse than Girardi's was. We've run past Bickel and Strudwick and are reaching Erik Reitz levels.
 
dubas wants an nhl top 4 dman right now. thats not pionk.

he needs a skjei or well....sadly theres isnt another dman on this roster he would want. ouch.

the only thing keeping that team from meeting wash in the EC finals is an upgrade to that average defense.

i would think however, skjei and buch together and they answer the phone anyway.
 
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jas said:

Frankly, this franchise needs consecutive bottom five finishes just to increase the high end talent level.
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I can't disagree with that.

I think the 2019 draft is at least as important as the 2018 draft, even more important if our pick ends up being in the top 3 or top 5 and is complimented by an additional 1-3 other first round picks.

I don't know if I'd expect our pick in 2020 to be as high, though. Especially if the 2019 pick is really high. Because I think you'd be looking at an infusion of talent for that season. Top 10 is certainly possible, but a top 5 might be a bit harder.
 
If Skjei is the only top 4 defenseman we have, and is valuable enough to be part of a deal for Nylander, that should give a pretty good indication of how bad this defense would look if we traded him.

Forget about what the offense looks like with Nylander, our defense without Skjei would be downright scary.
 
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If Skjei is the only top 4 defenseman we have, and is valuable enough to be part of a deal for Nylander, that should give a pretty good indication of how bad this defense would look if we traded him.

Forget about what the offense looks like with Nylander, our defense without Skjei would be downright scary.
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Skjei has been pretty mediocre to terrible coming up on almost two years worth of games. His in zone coverage has been weak. Constant poor decisions with the puck which happened yet again last night. He takes stupid lifeless wrist shots just like his mentor McDonagh used to which easily get blocked and turn into a transition for the opposing team. Turnovers. Bad positioning. Just complete mental mishaps.

Im not worried about the defense sucking without him. Get the elite winger.
 
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pionk is not a top pairing dman.

on any team.

maybe down the road but certainly not now.
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And yet he's playing top pair minutes on our team. Only Skjei plays more at even strength. He's a rookie, playing on a bad team and against the other teams' best players, and people wonder why his advanced stats are bad.

Put him on a good team getting 18 minutes a night and his numbers would look a lot better.
 
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