Speculation: Roster Building Thread Part XI: We can read between the lines

[Matt Rentfree]

If Edmonton does a first for Kreider my guess is it's lottery protected or has some other stipulation like 1 out of the next three year's traders digression or something like that. I can't think of too many times a team that was really struggling or not a sure fire thing to make the playoffs traded a lottery pick (Rangers for Bergeron back in the Esposito days and Toronto for Kessel).

Zuc is an interesting one. I think he's reached his peak. Not saying to trade him but what you see is what you get.

What I see is the leading scorer on the team last year who plays way bigger than guys twice his size and should probably be the captain. He's about the last guy I want to see traded.

 

[GregSirico]

I just want to know what JG's plan is. What's his long term plan for this franchise. How does he see building the core and the depth to compete in today's NHL. That is all I really give a crap about. What's his philosophy. Who does he want scouting, coaching, developing, etc.

 

[HFsNumber1Heel]

What I see is the leading scorer on the team last year who plays way bigger than guys twice his size and should probably be the captain. He's about the last guy I want to see traded.

Zuc is a very good player but he's not the main guy on a team nor is he capable of being one. He's a 55-60 point guy will have about 10-12 games where he looks like Gretzky, and about 20-25 where he's completely invisible with the rest in between.

He's like a 1980s Rangers top six forward. Pretty good, but not even close to elite. Keep him around for another year and change but he definitely has value.

 

[Machinehead]

If a transformative trade that might include Ryan McDonagh, Chris Kreider or Mats Zuccarello — marquee names united in falling far below expectations, but hardly the only guilty parties — were available to Jeff Gorton, the GM could choose to go that route rather than dismiss Vigneault

http://nypost.com/2017/10/29/alain-...utm_campaign=iosapp&utm_source=pasteboard_app

If this is true -and Larry generally doesn't make these things up- then Gorton is unfit to run this team.

We already "transformed" this offseason. What is accomplished by doing it again 12 games later?

 

[LORDE]

http://nypost.com/2017/10/29/alain-...utm_campaign=iosapp&utm_source=pasteboard_app

If this is true -and Larry generally doesn't make these things up- then Gorton is unfit to run this team.

We already "transformed" this offseason. What is accomplished by doing it again 12 games later?

Honestly feel like Brooks was just going through the “other” less likely options when he went though that

 

[Mac n Gs]

He's not the only one. They get their content from here and elsewhere, and people follow. It's a nice model. I actually built a network for Ranger fans last year as a bit of a protest against these boards. Still have the assets to do it again, some of the guys joined in but it needs much more effort than what I was able to put in last year.



The last line is what Joe Michaletti and Dave Maloney once said... Backcock, Quennville... it's the polar opposite of Torts.. and now the effects are there. But look I agree with the lack of talent, but it's the lack f effort and strategy that gets to me. They extended him too early. The Rangers don't do early extensions for players and it hurts the cap... but the one time they do it... they give it to the coach.



Petersson is a guy that I've been mentioning since earlier in the year. Very well thought of, over a PPG center in the AHL. Big 6'3" 215 LB Swede. Had a breakout year last year, and is getting better this year. Soderberg type player.

I'd go hard after Rousel, Leo will break the bank for a 4th liner, but he's a great add. Turris is the best of the lot, but Backlund would be more valuable... he fills a bigger need. But I'm more inclined to add more RH shots upfront.

Ideally I'd like to have 6 natural centers playing, 3-rightys, 3-leftys. With three of them capable of hard minutes, (two on the 4th line).

Defense- I'd sit Shatty down and tell him to step getting beat wide, or accept 3rd pair minutes 5v5 and all night on the PP. They need a stopper on the right side. Nothing fancy, just reliable.

Oh I 100% agree. The lack of adjustments is something that drives me nuts and our system hasn’t worked for two years. We were machines during AV’s first two seasons, but teams adjusted, trapped, and wreaked havoc around our slot. First they would blitz Hank and try to crash the net, and now they make switches, drop passes, and cause us to lose assignments and leave the slot open. All are exploitations of the man-to-man system we run, which needs to be tossed in the trash.

 

[Machinehead]

Honestly feel like Brooks was just going through the “other” less likely options when he went though that

This is the second time Larry brought up trading one of the three, and he's hardly the only journalist making smoke about Kreider. There's something to it.

 

[Machinehead]

If we actually trade Kreider for one of Galchenyuk/RNH what we've done is

-Trade Stepan
-Decide after 12 games that we don't like this anymore
-Trade one of our two best wingers to replace Stepan with a worse version of Stepan

That is shocking asset management and if it happens, Gorton shouldn't work for this team or any team ever again.

 

[LORDE]

This is the second time Larry brought up trading one of the three, and he's hardly the only journalist making smoke about Kreider. There's something to it.

Except trading Kreider isn’t a HUGE shakeup of the lockeroom. McD of course... Zucc sure... I just don’t see that before firing AV when Ruff is there just waiting. Not that I advocate him but that’s what Larry said and that’s exactly what I expect them to do.

 

[Machinehead]

Except trading Kreider isn’t a HUGE shakeup of the lockeroom. McD of course... Zucc sure... I just don’t see that before firing AV when Ruff is there just waiting. Not that I advocate him but that’s what Larry said and that’s exactly what I expect them to do.

I don't agree with it either, but this isn't Eklund. There's multiple reputable journalists talking about Kreider being traded.

 

[LORDE]

If we actually trade Kreider for one of Galchenyuk/RNH what we've done is

-Trade Stepan
-Decide after 12 games that we don't like this anymore
-Trade one of our two best wingers to replace Stepan with a worse version of Stepan

That is shocking asset management and if it happens, Gorton shouldn't work for this team or any team ever again.

Totally agree

 

[Ola]

One downside with trading Kreider is that everyone would start to pressure Gorton to make a dumb trade for Max Pacioretty...

BTW anyone watching Carolina? Faulk plays like crap, is he done already? Is this the new NHL? Big guys can play 10 years...

 

[LORDE]

I don't agree with it either, but this isn't Eklund. There's multiple reputable journalists talking about Kreider being traded.

Agree... where there’s smoke there’s often fire... but if it happens I’ll be in shock.

 

[Machinehead]

Agree... where there’s smoke there’s often fire... but if it happens I’ll be in shock.

I agree.

Shocked that it happened? I guess not after all these rumors.

But shocked that we're that stupid? You better believe it.

 

[LORDE]

I agree.

Shocked that it happened? I guess not after all these rumors.

But shocked that we're that stupid? You better believe it.

We aren’t. Or Gorton isn’t

Sather? Maybe. Which may be where the smoke is. I dunno

 

[Machinehead]

Also, if Gorton is really bent on the fact that trading Stepan was our downfall (not true, but I'll roll with it) then 1) it doesn't help that the return for Stepan is in the AHL because the coach decided he doesn't like him and 2) If we that badly need a center, keep in mind that our best player in training camp who has 8 points in 6 AHL games isn't on the roster because the coach decided he doesn't like him.

Funny how somewhere along the line, all these issues seem to keep coming back to the coach just deciding he doesn't like someone.

 

[Machinehead]

We aren’t. Or Gorton isn’t

Sather? Maybe. Which may be where the smoke is. I dunno

If this goes down the way the rumors indicate, then yes Gorton is.

Sorry to say it.

 

[Irishguy42]

Let's wait and see how a Kreider trade would unravel. I think there is a way for it to be considered a win, if it even happens.

Maybe in a vacuum, it will be bad, but as a whole...we can't tell yet. Too many moving parts.

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

http://nypost.com/2017/10/29/alain-...utm_campaign=iosapp&utm_source=pasteboard_app

If this is true -and Larry generally doesn't make these things up- then Gorton is unfit to run this team.

We already "transformed" this offseason. What is accomplished by doing it again 12 games later?

That transformation came with an assumption that these vets could/would assume larger leadership roles. That hasn't happened. Perhaps if you didn't blame the coach for literally everything you'd have the capacity to understand this.

 

[Trxjw]

Trading Kreider would absolutely be a major shakeup. Keep in mind he's the one guy on the team who can speak with Buch in his first language, and he's been with the team for almost 7 years.

I would prefer to hang onto him, but if we're going to entertain offers, I want the other team paying out the nose for him. Puljujarvi alone isn't enough. Plus, Edmonton is probably going to want to dump salary in the deal as well.

 

[Machinehead]

That transformation came with an assumption that these vets could/would assume larger leadership roles. That hasn't happened. Perhaps if you didn't blame the coach for literally everything you'd have the capacity to understand this.

Yeah, muh leadership is why we're giving up 4+ goals regularly.

 

[Machinehead]

Let's wait and see how a Kreider trade would unravel. I think there is a way for it to be considered a win, if it even happens.

Maybe in a vacuum, it will be bad, but as a whole...we can't tell yet. Too many moving parts.

We don't need a center and we don't need a D.

It's a win if a better winger comes back. How is that happening?

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

Yeah, muh leadership is why we're giving up 4+ goals regularly.

They are giving up 4+ goals a game largely because they are getting blitzed early in games. Both the coach and the veteran leadership group share responsibility in terms of having the team ready to play from the opening puck drop.

Kreider, in particular, has articles coming out every pre-season about how he knows he needs to take a larger leadership role with the team. Wonder if its actually every going to happen.

 

[East Coast Bias]

One downside with trading Kreider is that everyone would start to pressure Gorton to make a dumb trade for Max Pacioretty...

BTW anyone watching Carolina? Faulk plays like crap, is he done already? Is this the new NHL? Big guys can play 10 years...

Another big downside in trading him is a lot of the fan base still won’t realize that a 30 goal scorer cannot score in every game of an 82 game season.

 

[Machinehead]

They are giving up 4+ goals a game largely because they are getting blitzed early in games. Both the coach and the veteran leadership group share responsibility in terms of having the team ready to play from the opening puck drop.

Kreider, in particular, has articles coming out every pre-season about how he knows he needs to take a larger leadership role with the team. Wonder if its actually every going to happen.

They've been getting blitzed early in games since 2015. They've been an AHL team for one period out of the three almost every night for AV's entire tenure. The only thing that's changed is Lundqvist used to be elite and now he's old and below average so we don't steal games.

Other than that, this has been another Rangers October just like the last four, but we'll blame it on a leadership change for some reason.