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Speculation: Roster Building Thread Part XI: We can read between the lines

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Nopuckluck said:
I’ll elaborate. I watch every Rangers game. McDonough has been an abortion. I watch him pull the puck out of his net so often while standing in the crease doing nothing. I can’t believe he doesn’t have whiplash he’s turning into the net so often. Skjei has gone backwards and is useless. I wanted Shattenkirk and yeah he was hurt but defensively he’s been a disaster. I think Staal has been a decent 6th but he’s playing as a 3 and has zero offense and 1 eye. Smith has been a waste of oxygen. Holden is also a decent 6 and I’m ok with him.
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Youre right..has nothing to do with the system.

Also much of that did not provide any real insight, while I do agree McDonagh has been terrible, at least in terms of the offensive side of the puck.
 
Tawnos said:
He was definitely asking for Sergachev+++ at one point.
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Pretty sure he asked for Chabot at one point from Ottawa as well. Ryan Murray from Columbus was a rumor for a while. He got a decent package, but not anywhere close to what he was rumored to have been asking for at first.
 
Gardner McKay said:
I agree. People have been yearning for a rebuild for I don't know what reason. They seriously don't want to hear me say for the next 10 years "I told you so" over and over and over and over...

If your going to trade McDonagh it has to be the perfect deal. You just can't **** it up. If that deal doesn't exist then re-sign him and see where things fall. Under no circumstance should JG settle for anything less than exactly what he wants. He needs to approach any interested party with the mindset of "Here are my demands. I am not budging one bit. I am not negotiating. If you want McDonagh, this is what you give up. If not, I understand".
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The return has to be tangible and something we see on the ice in the next couple of years.

Everyone loves their picks a cap space but picks and cap space don't take the ice.
 
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Trxjw said:
Once you decide that you have to have a premium D prospect coming back in a McDonagh deal you've already shot yourself in the foot.
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It’s my preference just because I’m scared at the hole trading McD would leave, but I do agree that if you are gonna trade McD, you can’t shoehorn yourself into a specific deal. You need top value, period.
 
RGY said:
Youre right..has nothing to do with the system.

Also much of that did not provide any real insight, while I do agree McDonagh has been terrible, at least in terms of the offensive side of the puck.
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Ok. Fine. Tell me who I’m wrong on.
 
Mac n Gs said:
It’s my preference just because I’m scared at the hole trading McD would leave, but I do agree that if you are gonna trade McD, you can’t shoehorn yourself into a specific deal. You need top value, period.
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Absolutely. I can understand the preference being that kind of return, but if it's not feasible and you turn around and start talking extension with McDonagh, then you gotta ask if you were ever committed to the idea of rebuilding in the first place. (Obviously not referring to you directly in this scenario)

The Rangers have a lot of assets available to trade. Nash, Grabner, Holden, DD, McDonagh, and Zucc should return a plethora of youth and picks, and maybe a warm body or three as well. If after all that you're lacking in certain areas, then you need to figure out how to address them. The nice thing about piling up assets is that you can always move them for something else.

You and I have mentioned Carolina a few times. They're probably pretty unhappy that they're outside of a playoff spot, and they have a number of quality players on the blue line. Miller for one of their D? Get the Oilers involved and send RNH to Carolina, Kreider/Miller to Edmonton, and Hanafin to NY?

The Rangers are going to have to get creative, but having to creative shouldn't force them into commit to guys they're unsure about committing to.
 
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well, a premium D prospect certainly has to be part of the lineup we ice next season, so I would hope one is part of the overall return we get between now and the draft.
 
Gardner McKay said:
Did he? 1st, 2nd, 3rd, Kamenev, Girard & Bowers? What was his original asking price? 28 first rounders?
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Sakic hit a grandslam. Even if the Avs don't make the playoffs its quite obvious that team has taken a different more positive direction since trading Duchene. Plus they added a 19 year old who looks NHL capable already in Girard.
Plus all those picks and another first in Bowers...Damn.
I hope JG can get even close to what Sakic was able to get for Duchene. The best trade not made in Rangers history can be the trade we didn't make for Duchene. Thank Goodness.
 
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Avery16 said:
well, a premium D prospect certainly has to be part of the lineup we ice next season, so I would hope one is part of the overall return we get between now and the draft.
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Why? Even if you trade McDonagh and Holden you have more than enough defensemen under contract to field a roster.
 
Machinehead said:
The return has to be tangible and something we see on the ice in the next couple of years.

Everyone loves their picks a cap space but picks and cap space don't take the ice.
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If we are trading McDonagh I want it to be for someone young that has proven to able to play at a high NHL level already. Or we just keep him.
 
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Alluckks said:
If we are trading McDonagh I want it to be for someone young that has proven to able to play at a high NHL level already. Or we just keep him.
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Agreed. Lets not forget if we get picks for a mcdonagh they will be in the 25-30 range most likely. Even in a very good draft far from guaranteed to get someone who will make an impact in a year or two. Maybe never.
For Nash, Grabs and possibly Zucc thats worth the risk but for Mcdonagh no. There has to be a "guarantee" guy coming back.
 
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Don't remember where, but for some reason, I thought I read that NYR would be looking for NHL-ready young players in a Zuccarello or McDonagh trade.

Would make sense to do that and then go for picks/prospects with Nash/Grabner/Holden/DD
 
Trxjw said:
Why? Even if you trade McDonagh and Holden you have more than enough defensemen under contract to field a roster.
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I thought the idea was to compete at some point. You need a good top-4 for that, and Staal, Smith arent going to cut it. If McD is going, you've got Shattenkirk and Skjei. Maybe ADA. That's not enough, and you'd need one that is more defensive than the other three.
 
Irishguy42 said:
Don't remember where, but for some reason, I thought I read that NYR would be looking for NHL-ready young players in a Zuccarello or McDonagh trade.

Would make sense to do that and then go for picks/prospects with Nash/Grabner/Holden/DD
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In Brooks' article it said the Rangers would be looking for young NHL, or NHL ready players in addition to adding draft picks.
 
Irishguy42 said:
Don't remember where, but for some reason, I thought I read that NYR would be looking for NHL-ready young players in a Zuccarello or McDonagh trade.

Would make sense to do that and then go for picks/prospects with Nash/Grabner/Holden/DD
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I saw that too. Maybe it was the Brooks article or the Dreger coverage. Something to do with the trade targets not being teams with top first rounders.
 
Avery16 said:
I thought the idea was to compete at some point. You need a good top-4 for that, and Staal, Smith arent going to cut it. If McD is going, you've got Shattenkirk and Skjei. Maybe ADA. That's not enough, and you'd need one that is more defensive than the other three.
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You said that a premium D prospect had to be part of the lineup the Rangers ice next season. That's a little bit different than competing "at some point." The Rangers could ice a trash defense next season, because next season probably isn't what they're focused on.
 
Trxjw said:
You said that a premium D prospect had to be part of the lineup the Rangers ice next season. That's a little bit different than competing "at some point." The Rangers could ice a trash defense next season, because next season probably isn't what they're focused on.
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I don't think theres a single person in the entire organization who thinks the Rangers shouldn't be a competitive team next season. Not with Shattenkirk and Hank. Gorton intends to retool on the fly. Moving McD and Zucc is on the extreme side of that, but if a premium prospect D is coming back in those or another deal this offseason, then we could still ice a decent top-4 next season, and for seasons to come.
 
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