Roster Building Thread - Part XI (Off-season edition)

[Gordon Bombay]

Not sure this is an exhibit, just looks like the storeroom of Cass Marques after Trouba getting burnt so many times in 2024.

Jake and Kelly could use a laundry hamper I guess

 

[The Crypto Guy]

3rd line winger

91 of 94 of those on the PP.

 

[haohmaru]

91 of 94 of those on the PP.

Stop making shit up. He doesn't even have 91 PP goals in that timespan.

 

[Vitto79]

I’m just as critical as the next guy, but it’s not the organization fault that Trouba decided to do a massive screw job.

He ruined the Rangers offseason.

He wont last long once he hears the boo birds all season at MSG.

Yea he really did
They probably would of moved Trouba and with the money signed a LD then traded Lindgren for picks

 

[haohmaru]

Yea he really did
They probably would of moved Trouba and with the money signed a LD then traded Lindgren for picks

Trouba is evidence of why Goodrow was treated "ruthlessly". Both sides have to be ruthless in this game, unfortunately.

I wonder if he's wearing the sweater come October. There has to be animosity on both sides.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

Stop making shit up. He doesn't even have 91 PP goals in that timespan.

It was a joke, relax.

 

[haohmaru]

It was a joke, relax.

Doesn't convey well on a message board. Relaxed as it gets.

 

[Vitto79]

Trouba is evidence of why Goodrow was treated "ruthlessly". Both sides have to be ruthless in this game, unfortunately.

I wonder if he's wearing the sweater come October. There has to be animosity on both sides.

It’s a weird situation cause this is for sure his last year

The cap situation next year is worse with Igor , miller, Laf signings . Gonna need a good cap increase

 

[Barnaby]

The best four teams made the final four this year. That is a rarity. It's rare the best team wins the Cup

Also we have seen time and time again that hot goaltending nullifies better talented goaltending in the playoffs.

We’ve also seen terrible goaltending sink many teams. The idea that the Rangers dump Igor and replace him with some ho hum cheap starter and “it’s a crapshoot” is ludicrous.

Might as well say you don’t need a 1C or 1D because Zib and Fox underperformed this past playoff.

 

[Profet]

We’ve also seen terrible goaltending sink many teams. The idea that the Rangers dump Igor and replace him with some ho hum cheap starter and “it’s a crapshoot” is ludicrous.

Might as well say you don’t need a 1C or 1D because Zib and Fox underperformed this past playoff.

Why do you think the choices are Shesty or terrible goaltending?

We just need "good enough" goaltending.

You know what we've seen not work for 15+ years? League best goaltending and terrible defenseman. We know that doesn't work.

 

[GAGLine]

Why do you think the choices are Shesty or terrible goaltending?

We just need "good enough" goaltending.

You know what we've seen not work for 15+ years? League best goaltending and terrible defenseman. We know that doesn't work.

Where are we getting this "good enough" goaltending?

And if league best goaltending and terrible defensemen isn't a winning formula, then how are we winning with "good enough" goaltending and terrible defensemen? Are we upgrading those dmen? With whom? Are we trading Trouba or buying him out next summer? If we do trade him, how much cap will we have to take back? How much will Laf and Miller get? How much will replacements for Igor, Trouba and Lindgren cost?

It's very easy to suggest that we can just replace all these players, but when you have to actually identify the players we are bringing in, it becomes a hell of a lot harder. It's very possible that the right players simply aren't available and/or that we can't afford them cap/asset-wise.

 

[TominNC]

Why do you think the choices are Shesty or terrible goaltending?

We just need "good enough" goaltending.

You know what we've seen not work for 15+ years? League best goaltending and terrible defenseman. We know that doesn't work.

What’s “good enough”? The random goalie you hope is the one who gets hot during a particular post season? I’d rather the guy I know will play well.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

Why do you think the choices are Shesty or terrible goaltending?

We just need "good enough" goaltending.

You know what we've seen not work for 15+ years? League best goaltending and terrible defenseman. We know that doesn't work.

How come so many team with "good enough" goaltending don't win the cup? Or even come close.. At least half the league have "good enough" goaltending and don't sniff the conference finals.

 

[IDvsEGO]

How come so many team with "good enough" goaltending don't win the cup? Or even come close.. At least half the league have "good enough" goaltending and don't sniff the conference finals.

Because goaltending like every other position requires you to get value without overpaying for it and you can have fantastic goaltending but an absolutely terrible roster.

But FL had great goaltending most of the year. Edmonton had terrible goaltending and then mediocre goaltending this year, but one of the best overall players of all time.

You need balance. We have exactly 1 player on our team capable of carrying us to wins every night. That would be igor.
If we had mcdavid, then we wouldn't need igor.

 

[Savant]

We’ve also seen terrible goaltending sink many teams. The idea that the Rangers dump Igor and replace him with some ho hum cheap starter and “it’s a crapshoot” is ludicrous.

Might as well say you don’t need a 1C or 1D because Zib and Fox underperformed this past playoff.

It’s not an exact science. But more teams have one with hot goalie play coming out of nowhere than with a 1C coming out of nowhere

 

[n8]

Yea he really did
They probably would of moved Trouba and with the money signed a LD then traded Lindgren for picks

The only rumored trade was Trouba + Kakko to DET for Holl + Veleno. We'll probably never know if that was true but if so, I salute and thank Trouba for saving this organization from another disaster of a trade.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

How come so many team with "good enough" goaltending don't win the cup? Or even come close.. At least half the league have "good enough" goaltending and don't sniff the conference finals.

This is a terrible argument. No one's saying that "good enough" goaltending is the key to winning the cup lol.

They're saying that if the team in front is actually well constructed all you need is "good enough" in net.

 

[Savant]

The only rumored trade was Trouba + Kakko to DET for Holl + Veleno. We'll probably never know if that was true but if so, I salute and thank Trouba for saving this organization from another disaster of a trade.

Who said this?

 

[The Crypto Guy]

This is a terrible argument. No one's saying that "good enough" goaltending is the key to winning the cup lol.

They're saying that if the team in front is actually well constructed all you need is "good enough" in net.

So with the 5-6M we will save from having “good enough” goaltending, which in the process drops us down a couple tiers from elite goaltending, we will be able to construct a team much better than what we have now. All with that 5-6M extra cap room?

Don’t think people fully understand how silly that sounds. It’s not like we are gaining 20M in cap space from letting Igor walk lol.

 

[Savant]

So with the 5-6M we will save from having “good enough” goaltending, which in the process drops us down a couple tiers from elite goaltending, we will be able to construct a team much better than what we have now. All with that 5-6M extra cap room?

Don’t think people fully understand how silly that sounds. It’s not like we are gaining 20M in cap space from letting Igor walk lol.

It depends on how you spend that money right? There is plenty of talent in that salary range that upgrades the team

 

[The Crypto Guy]

It depends on how you spend that money right? There is plenty of talent in that salary range that upgrades the team

Sure, but is that 5-6M you are spending on one player (or two for 2.5-3M each) going to have as much of an impact as Igor is? I highly doubt it.

 

[Savant]

Sure, but is that 5-6M you are spending on one player (or two for 2.5-3M each) going to have as much of an impact as Igor is? I highly doubt it.

Again it depends. I would say you probable want to use that on one guy though. I do assume if you trade Igor you are getting a rental and/or an ELC/close to ELC goalie back (otherwise no there is no point) so you can maximize the other spot and yeah I mean you can either upgrade a top six forward spot or you can get a top pairing (or depending on where you deploy Miller maybe 2nd) Dman. Either of those things make a significant difference, and with a better team in front of Goalie X, Goalie X doesn’t have to steal every game, and if they get hot the sky is the limit. When you have that much cap going to a goalie, yes you can get walled. Teams that aren’t giving that much to a keeper, (especially that aren’t in income tax free state) have a much higher ceiling than teams reliant on a goalie. Period.

 

[Barnaby]

Again it depends. I would say you probable want to use that on one guy though. I do assume if you trade Igor you are getting a rental and/or an ELC/close to ELC goalie back (otherwise no there is no point) so you can maximize the other spot and yeah I mean you can either upgrade a top six forward spot or you can get a top pairing (or depending on where you deploy Miller maybe 2nd) Dman. Either of those things make a significant difference, and with a better team in front of Goalie X, Goalie X doesn’t have to steal every game, and if they get hot the sky is the limit. When you have that much cap going to a goalie, yes you can get walled. Teams that aren’t giving that much to a keeper, (especially that aren’t in income tax free state) have a much higher ceiling than teams reliant on a goalie. Period.

Let’s let Igor walk so we can trade a 1st rounder for a guy like Markstrom. Then we can take the 5 million we save and get another winger who “hopefully” has chemistry with Zib and Kreider. Some here have gotten way too unappreciative of goaltending after Hank and then Igor. There are teams out there begging for goalkeeping. You think they’d be better off with a guy like Georgiev? Ask Colorado if goalkeeping matters. Then ask Toronto and Edmonton.

 

[Savant]

Let’s let Igor walk so we can trade a 1st rounder for a guy like Markstrom. Then we can take the 5 million we save and get another winger who “hopefully” has chemistry with Zib and Kreider. Some here have gotten way too unappreciative of goaltending after Hank and then Igor. There are teams out there begging for goalkeeping. You think they’d be better off with a guy like Georgiev? Ask Colorado if goalkeeping matters. Then ask Toronto and Edmonton.

You say this like Colorado didn’t just a cup with Darcy Kuemper. Edmonton got to the game 7 a couple of months playing Skinner, Pickard and Campbell. Vegas won a cup picking Adin Hill off the scrap heap. The Florida teams won the cup with expensive goalies because they are in tax free states so they can get better contracts on other positions. Those are you last five most recent Cup winners

 

[Fitzy]

So with the 5-6M we will save from having “good enough” goaltending, which in the process drops us down a couple tiers from elite goaltending, we will be able to construct a team much better than what we have now. All with that 5-6M extra cap room?

Don’t think people fully understand how silly that sounds. It’s not like we are gaining 20M in cap space from letting Igor walk lol.

I know right. The difference isn't even enough for one good 2nd line player.