Roster Building Thread - Part XI (Off-season edition)

[HatTrick Swayze]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1799825479572001098

Would be a good thing for NYR imo

 

[17futurecap]

The Caps purchased CapFriendly, that f***ing sucks.

 

[Guyute]

Time for me to start building RangerFriendly

 

[jerseyjinx94]

I don’t think Drury wants to move on from Kakko. He’s built himself into a solid possession and defensive player. He probably wants to develop his offensive game and skating. Drury is a patient guy.

Chytil is a huge question mark for this team. His value is low bc of the injuries, but his contract is movable. You’d be selling low if you don’t go into the year with him slotted at 3C. I think he stays as well.

I don’t think Trouba gets moved either. The team loves him and they’re trying to get bigger and meaner. He’s our Captain and moving him reduces that part of our game.

Lindgren is up in the air.

I’m struggling to see where any real changes will be made with NMC and NTC. It’ll be interesting to see what they try to do. I do think they are very high on their internal options and will give Berard and Othmann a real look. Both players bring necessary jam to the lineup.

 

[LaffyTaffy13]

Lol no he isn’t.

He’s a dumb player being overhyped because he’s big and scored a few goals in the playoffs that should never go in at this level.

Vancouver was hell bent on keeping him off the ice against other teams top players at ES. It should tell you something when they were matching Tyler Myers on McDavid and not Z.

Yall should know by now that if a player had the Jovo buzz, they’re bad.

Zadorov is merely an overpaid mikkola with a personality

 

[LaffyTaffy13]

I think NYR should offer Laf an 8mx8yr extension this summer. It would take him to 31. Who knows, he might take it… I’d prob even offer him up to 9m to lock him up now.

No shot he’ll sign an 8 year deal. He’ll sign a 6 year deal and hit ufa at 29 so he can cash in again. Typically 1OA picks get the 8 year after ELC. He didnt. So he’ll take 6 so he can get 2 monster contracts

 

[kovazub94]

The NHL salary cap projections were $87.675M in 24-25 and $92,058,750 in 25-26. The NHL had a good year and the cap increased to $88M for 24-25. The 25-26 number should be higher. Utah is entering the league. Arizona was the money pit. Utah will actually sell tickets.

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5551179/2024/06/08/gary-bettman-salary-cap-ltir-expansion/

Any increase for 25-26 will help the Rangers. Igor's extension. Lafreniere's extension. If he has a bigger year next year and/with Laviolette giving him first unit PP minutes, the Rangers are looking $8.5M per. I have seen people on here and on X say the Rangers should offer him $5M-$6M. Why would Lafreniere take that?

$97M in 26-27 before the CBA expires. Bettman and Walsh seem to have a good relationship. They will get a new CBA done before it expires. Panarin's money will be off the books. Let him play out his contract.

We’re talking offseason trades but just as important is locking Igor and Lafreniere to long contracts maybe a fraction smaller than it will increase in a year.

 

[Mac n Gs]

I don't really feel like getting dragged into the player-specific arguments about how the defensemen performed this year, but I'm kind of surprised that no one has commented on how the entire corps took a pretty big step back this year under Housley besides Fox, because well, he's Adam Fox. Housley's track record outside of his stint with Laviolette in Nashville is less than stellar too, although I will be a bit sympathetic since it was with terrible teams in Arizona and Buffalo. That being said, I don't think it's a shock that their dmen started to improve once he wasn't responsible for coaching them any longer.

If Drury does want to try to make a move to revamp the defense, I don't think it's going to look like any of the ones that have been proposed here. Laviolette is very clear on making sure he has players fit certain roles. The top PPQB spot is set because we're blessed that Adam Fox exists at the same time as us in the grand scheme of the universe. The other roles are a bit more tenuous, especially if you're proposing getting rid of guys like Lindgren and Trouba (not that I'm opposed to either). Guys like Chychrun and Theodore don't PK; yes, the easily solution is to just have them PK, but we all know it's never that easy here. If the option is there, Theodore is the easy player to make the move for.

I think some more underrated, younger targets would be looking into guys like Urho Vaakainanen from Anaheim, Ryan Johnson from Buffalo, and Moser/Valimaki from Utah. A solid veteran option would be seeing what Seattle wants for Brian Dumoulin. Another option is Hague from Vegas. Not sure why he's getting billed as a bad dmen by some here because it's not remotely true at all. All have good size, are really strong skaters, and have really high hockey IQs when it comes to being smart defensively. If Laviolette wants to have a system that's reliant on the D knowing how to get the puck out of the zone efficiently and to use their speed to join the rush, these kind of players would fit well.

 

[kovazub94]

Actual Cap Hit = average yearly cap hit X (1 - (state income tax rate on date of signing / 2))

Divide tax rate by two since only half the games are guaranteed to be played in state.

You bring state taxes into equation, Canadian teams will want National too, big markets teams will want cost of living adjustment, etc. Probably there’s a way to make it fairer but if state taxes are not the only factor (or even if only) it will become overly complicated and confusing keeping track of all different caps.

 

[lakeshirts37]

Cap going up is big. 4 biggest markets in the conference final. Drury can play in the UFA market imo. Anyone who can be a factor through Laf’s prime is on the table imo. Stammer Marchessault Guentzel Reinhart going to get paid. i bet one of em is a Ranger somehow. Zadarov for his faults also seems like a good fit. Can take the body and skate the puck up. Hopefully an exciting offseason..

even with the increase theres still not a ton of cap room to do anything major unless youre shipping out Trouba which isnt happening

 

[BleedBlueNYR]

The Caps purchased CapFriendly, that f***ing sucks.

I only use the site to look up a player's contract situation now and then so I'm no expert but what is the point of the caps purchasing this site?

 

[UnSandvich]

I only use the site to look up a player's contract situation now and then so I'm no expert but what is the point of the caps purchasing this site?

Stopping other orgs from using it, at the cost of stopping fans from using it as well. They're planning on taking it private.

 

[BleedBlueNYR]

Stopping other orgs from using it, at the cost of stopping fans from using it as well. They're planning on taking it private.

Are there analytics on there that are valuable and can't be calculated elsewhere, or is it only contract information?

 

[bbny]

You bring state taxes into equation, Canadian teams will want National too, big markets teams will want cost of living adjustment, etc. Probably there’s a way to make it fairer but if state taxes are not the only factor (or even if only) it will become overly complicated and confusing keeping track of all different caps.

I’d be ok including federal/national tax rates to cover the Canada/USA disparity. That seems easy enough. I’d draw the line there. It’s never going to be perfect, but it can still be a lot better with low effort.

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

You bring state taxes into equation, Canadian teams will want National too, big markets teams will want cost of living adjustment, etc. Probably there’s a way to make it fairer but if state taxes are not the only factor (or even if only) it will become overly complicated and confusing keeping track of all different caps.

It wouldn't be that hard to use a blanket cost of living adjustment inclusive of all cost of living differneces between markets...HR departments across the country deal with this every day. It's a nice idea for us NY fans and logically makes sense as if you were opening two offices in Boston and Topeka you wouldn't set the same payroll budgets.

That said, highly highly doubt we will ever see anything like this implemented. Toronto, Montreal, Boston, and the Rangers spending more than other teams are what led to the salary cap being implemented in the first place. Flat cap gives the owners their "cost certainty" by both limiting total $ in circulation as well as ensuring that fewer runaway outlier contracts don't set the comps when small market teams are negotiating with their players.

 

[kovazub94]

I’d be ok including federal/national tax rates to cover the Canada/USA disparity. That seems easy enough. I’d draw the line there. It’s never going to be perfect, but it can still be a lot better with low effort.

Having different caps for different teams is already inherently difficult to follow and what’s fair for you might not be fair to owners who make decisions.

 

[SA16]

I only use the site to look up a player's contract situation now and then so I'm no expert but what is the point of the caps purchasing this site?

There is basically no point. There are other sites that do almost the exact same thing and I'm sure more will pop up in the coming weeks. That is exactly how capfriendly came to be in the first place.

They probably just want exclusive access to the guy who runs the site and all of his sources around the league. Not really sure why considering the contract status isn't private information in the league and they can easily just hire someone to do the same thing.

 

[JimmyG89]

even with the increase theres still not a ton of cap room to do anything major unless youre shipping out Trouba which isnt happening

I disagree, we're actually not in a bad spot to add a ~$5M player, but you need to move on from Lindgren and Goodrow.

Lindgren is the easy one since he has no contract. Goodrow is harder, but after his postseason, a dumb GM might be willing to take the rest of his deal on.

If they moved out Trouba, they'd be likely taking a player back in return with their own contract the other team doesn't want. We just need to be careful what that potential player would be.

 

[NYRFANMANI]

Wouldn't mind a late 1st for Lindgren.

 

[Vitto79]

The Caps purchased CapFriendly, that f***ing sucks.

Booooo

 

[bleedblue94]

Where did I say that the Rangers need a Fox level defenseman? I specifically call it a “partner for Fox” which I thought pretty clearly implies a good fit rather than another top shelf $9m player.


Probably didn’t want a higher escrow

Ha where did I say that you said they need a fox level player? I didn't so stop throwing that stuff around.

You want to replace Lindgren, Lindgren is on the first pair, fox is on the first pair, you want to replace Lindgren on the first pair to put another player with fox, so THAT player needs to be a first pair d man. That's what I referenced, not a number 1 d man.

NHL teams rarely ever trade 1st pairing D men unless they are approached ufa and won't resign. That's exactly what I said before and it's still accurate. 1st pair d men are not always identified as the best players in a vacuum, not everyone can play 20+mins a night.

People ignore that Lindgren is to fox what methot was to peak karlsson. He isnt perfect and neither was methot, but methot was perfect for karlsson, beukeboom was perfect for leetch, Lindgren compliments fox.

Sometimes I think people are too blinded to how good fox is on the offensive side of the redline that they lose perspective of just how bad he is in his own zone on zone exits under pressure and one on one coverage and board battles. All those instances that his poor skating and lack of strength stand out. It comes with being a small, below average skating defenseman but he makes up for so much with his hockey IQ reads.

People wonder why Lindgren gets hurt so much, but part of it is fox does NOTHING to hold up forecheckers when Lindgren goes back for the puck, and under pressure he is usually the first guy back kicking it to fox bc he's faster than fox and fox is better and transitioning that pass quickly to a play up the ice, but fox cannot skate the puck out of trouble at all and relies on those head fakes to open up space. They work great in the regular season but not so much in playoff hockey, we have seen this now for a few years. It's amazing how many people can't see how the deficiencies in Fox and the areas he cheats need to be made up for and that is sort of why it's easy to hate on Lindgren.

 

[bleedblue94]

Someone is going to horrifically overpay zadorov this summer. If he is anything beyond a 2nd pair guy he is in trouble. If he plays too many mi.utes he gets exposed. It's been that way his entire career as he never grew into that 1st pairing monster people envisioned when the sabers drafted him, but this is his summer to cash in so it will be interesting to see who makes the mistake.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Ha where did I say that you said they need a fox level player? I didn't so stop throwing that stuff around.

You want to replace Lindgren, Lindgren is on the first pair, fox is on the first pair, you want to replace Lindgren on the first pair to put another player with fox. THAT is a first pair d man. That's what I referenced, not a number 1 d man.

NHL teams rarely ever trade 1st pairing D men unless they are approached ufa and won't resign. That's exactly what I said before and it's still accurate. 1st pair d men are no always identified as the best in a vacuum, not everyone can play 20+mins a night.

People ignore that Lindgren is to fix what methot was to peak karlsson. He isnt perfect and neither was methot, but methot was perfect for karlsson, beukeboom was perfect for leetch, Lindgren compliments fox.

Sometimes I think people are too blinded to how good fox is on the offensive side of the redline that they lose perspective of just how bad he is in his own zone on zone exits under pressure and one on one coverage and board battles. It comes with being a small, below average skating defenseman but he makes up for so much with his hockey IQ reads. People wonder why Lindgren gets hurt so much, part of it is fox does NOTHING to hold up forecheckers when Lindgren goes back for the puck, and under pressure he is usually the first guy back kicking it to fox bc he's faster than fox. It's amazing how many people can't see how to deficiencies in Fox and the areas he cheats need to be made up for and that is sort of why it's easy to hate on Lindgren.

No he isn't. He isn't nearly as good (and Methot was another guy who played higher than he should have.)

Lindgren is the first one back to pucks because teams dump pucks into his corner knowing that even if they don't beat him to the puck, they've got a good chance at getting it back because he's likely to cough it up. Its how Florida attacked that pair, its how Carolina attacked that pair, its how anyone who is any good attacks that pair.

If Fox had a competent puck mover (not even a great one) as his partner or anyone with even "good" escapability, most teams would have a much tougher time getting things going against Fox+whoever.

Why do you think Fox's numbers sky rocket away from Lindgren and the opposite happens when Lindgren is split from Fox? It's not all situational, its because Fox no longer is restricted by the extreme deficiencies of Lindgren and Lindgren doesn't have Fox to carry the load in areas where he is incapable.

 

[bleedblue94]

No he isn't. He isn't nearly as good (and Methot was another guy who played higher than he should have.)

Lindgren is the first one back to pucks because teams dump pucks into his corner knowing that even if they don't beat him to the puck, they've got a good chance at getting it back because he's likely to cough it up. Its how Florida attacked that pair, its how Carolina attacked that pair, its how anyone who is any good attacks that pair.

If Fox had a competent puck mover (not even a great one) as his partner or anyone with even "good" escapability, most teams would have a much tougher time getting things going against Fox+whoever.

Why do you think Fox's numbers sky rocket away from Lindgren and the opposite happens when Lindgren is split from Fox? It's not all situational, its because Fox no longer is restricted by the extreme deficiencies of Lindgren and Lindgren doesn't have Fox to carry the load in areas where he is incapable.

You apparently missed every forecheck play that fox peeled off the puck trying to outsmart the pressure by trying to get them to do a flyby on a missed hit or the dozens of times he was just flat out out-muscled on those puck retrievals.

It was clear as day (especially with fox slower than normal with the bad leg) that Lindy was to go back and get the puck as much as possible and if Fox was open Lindy was supposed to rim it to him. Eventually teams caught on to this and to how limited fox was.

There were plenty of tims the puck was chipped into fox's side and Lindy crossed to the right corner to retrieve bc he could get there faster AND he was taking the contact to save fox from extra abuse. And through it all fox does nothing to hold up forecheckers, ever

As for the splits when the the are separated, did you ever consider that the only times they were split with regularity was late in games protecting a lead Lindy was paired with trouba when naturally the other team would possess it more, and when fox was paired with miller it was later in games when NYR was pressing to tie games and possessing more. Convenient to ignore situational usage and pairings. Sorry

 

[bobbop]

You apparently missed every forecheck play that fox peeled off the puck trying to outsmart the pressure by trying to get them to do a flyby on a missed hit or the dozens of times he was just flat out out-muscled on those puck retrievals.

It was clear as day (especially with fox slower than normal with the bad leg) that Lindy was to go back and get the puck as much as possible and if Fox was open Lindy was supposed to rim it to him. Eventually teams caught on to this and to how limited fox was.

There were plenty of tims the puck was chipped into fox's side and Lindy crossed to the right corner to retrieve bc he could get there faster AND he was taking the contact to save fox from extra abuse. And through it all fox does nothing to hold up forecheckers, ever

As for the splits when the the are separated, did you ever consider that the only times they were split with regularity was late in games protecting a lead Lindy was paired with trouba when naturally the other team would possess it more, and when fox was paired with miller it was later in games when NYR was pressing to tie games and possessing more. Convenient to ignore situational usage and pairings. Sorry

Also Trouba and Lindgren usually started together on the PK.