Roster Building Thread - Part XI (Off-season edition)

[surlysailor]

I think the bottom line is that Florida took a huge risk and traded major players with high perceived value for the exact right type of player they needed to get to the next level. Kudos for them on being decisive. What's the rangers version of that trade?

The thing is, MT wanted out of CGY and Florida felt ok making that trade because both players were UFA's and they would not be able to afford to keep both(don't even know if they wanted to).

 

[noncents]

wonder if you could package lindgren and kakko for provorov (as an LD stopgap) +marchenko.

trade trouba, sign Cole, resign Ruhwedel, sign stephenson

panarin chytil lafreniere
stephenson zibanejad marchenko
kreider trocheck othmann
cuylle edstrom berard
rempe/brodz/vesey

provorov fox
miller schneider
jones cole
ruhwedel

 

[Bacon Artemi Bravo]

The thing is, MT wanted out of CGY and Florida felt ok making that trade because both players were UFA's and they would not be able to afford to keep both(don't even know if they wanted to).

Very true, they saw an opportunity to add the right player and made it happen. That takes balls and it's paid off.

 

[GAGLine]

I'm okay paying.

Per AFP:
Bertuzzi - 4 years @ $5.3m
Marchessault - 3 years @ $6.3m
Perron - 2 years @ $2.95m

I like Perron in general but he's more of a 3rd liner at this point in his career. I could see him playing well with someone like Cuylle on LW and Perron on the right though.

Where are you getting all this cap space?

 

[rangers1314]

I’m not trying to diminish Matt T and the player that he is, but finding Forsling in the garbage and coaching him up is the biggest reason that Florida is where they are.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

The thing is, MT wanted out of CGY and Florida felt ok making that trade because both players were UFA's and they would not be able to afford to keep both(don't even know if they wanted to).

I think they knew what Huberdeau was and sold high there. Phenomenal asset management.

I don't think for a second they wanted to move Weegar. He was and still is really good but they weren't going to land him for Huberdeau and spare parts.

 

[Machinehead]

wonder if you could package lindgren and kakko for provorov (as an LD stopgap) +marchenko.

trade trouba, sign Cole, resign Ruhwedel, sign stephenson

panarin chytil lafreniere
othmann zibanejad marchenko
kreider trocheck berard
cuylle goodrow edstrom
rempe/brodz/vesey

provorov fox
miller schneider
jones cole
ruhwedel

For a second, I thought Provorov was still on the Flyers.

I would have done it just to see Kakko play for Torts.

 

[mxyxptlk]

This is true, but not sure the circumstances are the same. But they do have the precedent...

They also traded 5 other captains back in the day.

 

[McRanger92]

Lets be honest with ourselves and realize the Rangers probably missed the boat bigtime by not snapping up Eichel. That's if he truly was available to the Rangers for some combo of Kakko as the centerpiece and other prospects/picks(not including Laffy). When a player like that comes available, you need to spring into action to secure him.

Wasnt it more on the Buffalo side that they refused to deal with the Rangers?

 

[noncents]

For a second, I thought Provorov was still on the Flyers.

I would have done it just to see Kakko play for Torts.

im still 80% kakko will hit so i would only trade him to a nowhere team

 

[Bacon Artemi Bravo]

Wasnt it more on the Buffalo side that they refused to deal with the Rangers?

That's definitely possible. Caveat on my post was "if he was truly available" and that's really the question. Sounded like some thought he wasn't.

 

[UnSandvich]

I wonder if Ottawa would give us Chabot for Trouba. He's really looked mediocre the past few years, and Ottawa has 2 better (and cheaper) options at LD already in Sanderson and Chychrun. On the other hand their depth chart at RD is downright ugly. Trouba might actually be the best RD on that team

EDIT: Chabot is also signed for 4 more yrs instead of 2, which'd give Ottawa some more flexibility and a significantly cheaper salary (not cap hit)

 

[LeetchisGod]

im still 80% kakko will hit so i would only trade him to a nowhere team

I really doubt it. His mental game and skating are atrocious.

 

[McRanger92]

I wonder if Ottawa would give us Chabot for Trouba. He's really looked mediocre the past few years, and Ottawa has 2 better (and cheaper) options at LD already in Sanderson and Chychrun. On the other hand their depth chart at RD is downright ugly. Trouba might actually be the best RD on that team

Don't see Trouba waiving to Ottawa but Im at least intrigued by Chabot. He is the type of defenseman we need but he also might be another K'Andre.

 

[Paulie Walnutz]

I’ll say it again move Mika to wing and let him focus on scoring. He carries too heavy of a burden focusing on the defensive side as a center. It’s not a wild idea Tampa just did it with Stamkos.

 

[Machinehead]

I don't think Eichel is really it. He's a bit better than Trocheck. Good player whose reputation is inflated.

I would have gotten him and then not signed Mika, sure.

But they wouldn't have done that. They would have Eichel and Mika. I'd rather have Trocheck and Mika at the lower hit.

 

[Chalfdiggity3]

Your solution to not showing up in the playoffs is to get a guy who's never played there and has captained his team to absolutely nothing but lottery finishes?

He's a good player, but the idea that he's this big winner is what gets me. He's literally not. He's done nothing but lose in the NHL.

That his pretty talented Ottawa team can't get out of last place needs to fall on his leadership that people fawn over.

If you trust Chytil to be a top six center at this moment, you have a lot more faith than I do.

I love your takes but man I don’t see how clowning on a player bc his team is trash and the organization is trash around him. When was Ottawa ever a playoff team? I mean ever lol. Eichel was in the same boat. Perpetual loser on the sabres then goes and wins a cup with the knights.

I’m not saying that Brady is eichel but until he gets into the playoffs you can’t say he would be any. Better or worse than our own guys but what we can honestly say and what we see if Brady is a guy who drags you into the fight. He’s another trocheck and honestly that’s what we need more of not less of. Zibs and krieder don’t do the dirty work, panarin is dark Prescott in the nhl.

I get what you’re saying but you also have to see the other side of the coin

 

[Machinehead]

I’ll say it again move Mika to wing and let him focus on scoring. He carries too heavy of a burden focusing on the defensive side as a center. It’s not a wild idea Tampa just did it with Stamkos.

Stamkos had a more applicable skillset.

I think Mika would be terrible at wing. He overpasses, likes to carry the puck too much, and couldn't find the boards with a GPS.

I get "easier position" and all that but it's not always apples to apples.

I remember we tried it with Kevin Hayes and I wanted to gouge my eyes out. JT Miller also ended up being better at center. Chytil sucks at wing too.

 

[Bacon Artemi Bravo]

I don't think Eichel is really it. He's a bit better than Trocheck. Good player whose reputation is inflated.

I would have gotten him and then not signed Mika, sure.

But they wouldn't have done that. They would have Eichel and Mika. I'd rather have Trocheck and Mika at the lower hit.

Eichel Troch was where I was headed with that thought. I remember most of us considering Mika vs Eichel with the assumption we couldnt afford both. but yea, if that cost us Vinny I wouldnt do it.

 

[Dfence033]

I think we are confusing 2 years ago when the league had a static cap and no one had cap space to this upcoming offseason when quit a few teams have cap space though.

I think there is a lot of wishful thinking that Trouba is returning 4 useful assets while sending out $6M in excess cap hit for 2 years in doing so.

 

[AirGut]

really sucks that Val Nichushkin can't stop doing coke and f***ing escorts every other month, he's exactly the type of forceful player this team needs to be infused with. Guy is nasty to play against.

 

[Dfence033]

All of those teams also found superstars after the first round.

It would be nice.

And if anybody says Igor, I'm coming to your house.

Igor.

(Only because it'd be fun to meet in person and I'm safely tucked away from your wrath down here in Texas).

 

[Machinehead]

I love your takes but man I don’t see how clowning on a player bc his team is trash and the organization is trash around him. When was Ottawa ever a playoff team? I mean ever lol. Eichel was in the same boat. Perpetual loser on the sabres then goes and wins a cup with the knights.

I’m not saying that Brady is eichel but until he gets into the playoffs you can’t say he would be any. Better or worse than our own guys but what we can honestly say and what we see if Brady is a guy who drags you into the fight. He’s another trocheck and honestly that’s what we need more of not less of. Zibs and krieder don’t do the dirty work, panarin is dark Prescott in the nhl.

I get what you’re saying but you also have to see the other side of the coin

That's the thing, people keep selling him to me as a guy that drags you into the fight, but he can't even get his team into the playoffs. On paper, Ottawa's not that bad a team. Serious questions should be asked as to why they can't win.

I think he has a lot to do with it. People want the player Brady Tkachuk is when he's on. He's not on a lot, and with every slight bit of adversity, he prefers to complain and act like a clown, rather than do the hard things he needs to do to succeed in a hard situation.

Their play styles are very different, but mentally, he has the same bad habits Zibanejad does. He has his niche. He's unwilling to deviate from it and he gets shaken easily.

 

[JimmyG89]

I'm still way more inclined to find an upgrade on the 2RW than to give up on Zibanejad. Yes, they've tried a bunch of guys for that spot, but it's hard to argue that any of them were legit top 6 level players at that time.

His best numbers this season came with Roslovic on his wing. He's definitely more along the line of a 3rd liner, but on a scoring type line. They've tried Wheeler, Kakko, Vesey, and Lafreniere before this season. The first three, everyone is ready to move on from (sans Vesey but as a 12th/13th forward). We all know what Lafreniere was prior to this season.

Outside of upgrading the defense, this organization has been short two top 6 RWs for quite some time. Not from a lack of effort to try and get someone more in line with that, but it's been guys on the steady decline like Tarasenko. We have one in Lafreniere now. We had hope Kakko was going to resolve this over time, but that is out the window in most people's minds and rightly so.

Finding that level of a player isn't easy, especially when you are pushed to the cap, so maybe there is a chance this summer to rectify it.

I’ll say it again move Mika to wing and let him focus on scoring. He carries too heavy of a burden focusing on the defensive side as a center. It’s not a wild idea Tampa just did it with Stamkos.

This is not a bad idea and I wonder if he would be open to it. The only thing is that beyond the Trocheck-Mika-Chytil combo, the 3C drops significantly after that. There isn't someone in the pipeline ready to make that jump. It might be easier to get a 3C than a 2RW though. Is anyone comfortable with Wennberg as the 3C moving forward? Otherwise, you're looking at making a trade to resolve this. I think either way might be a trade over a signing.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

Lindgren would probably be a fine 3rd pairing guy

I agree in theory the best move is dumping trouba one way or another but I don't think it'll happen

Drury is gonna have to be cutthroat about this if he does go that route

I agree, but I also think if anyone would go cutthroat, it would be Drury...