Roster Building Thread - Part XI (Off-season edition)

[will1066]

Atkinson and Kreider played together at BC.

"Oh god, no" --Al Bundy

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Kadri would be the ultimate Lou move.

If he goes anywhere, it’ll be there IMO.

 

[duhmetreE]

I love the player, hate the contract. He's 33 now, and he has 4 more years on his deal @ $7m per season. I doubt Calgary will retain for 4 years either.

That's the sticking point.

I'd do a trade built on Kakko for Kadri @ 50%. would they? doubt

 

[GENESISPuck94]

Reinhart scored the most important goal in Panthers history in game 7, after scoring 57 goals in the regular season.

9.5 cap hit.

Panarin's cap hit is 11.6... where are the rings and big playoff goals? 1 goal 2 years ago against PIT in the 1st round doesn't cut it.

 

[Tob]

It cost MTL a 2nd and a 7th to move up 5 spots from the 26 to 21. If we trade kakko to move up a similar amount of spots from 30 to 23-25, it'll be roughly a 2nd in value.

 

[will1066]

Florida should only give Reinhart that deal if he stops with the twitching. And for the love of god, Pidto stops with the REIIIIIINHART next season.

 

[Tob]

I wonder if Montreal or LA can make a subsequent move to get more value kakko+30 for whatever they just did.

 

[GENESISPuck94]

Trading Kakko for a mid-late 1st round pick is flat out stupid.

With the players out there available via trade you use him as a piece in one of those moves.

 

[mas0764]

It cost MTL a 2nd and a 7th to move up 5 spots from the 26 to 21. If we trade kakko to move up a similar amount of spots from 30 to 23-25, it'll be roughly a 2nd in value.

... which is not nearly enough to give up on Kakko for.

Let alone the fact that we shouldn't be moving him for late firsts at all.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

Reinhart scored the most important goal in Panthers history in game 7, after scoring 57 goals in the regular season.

9.5 cap hit.

Panarin's cap hit is 11.6... where are the rings and big playoff goals? 1 goal 2 years ago against PIT in the 1st round doesn't cut it.

Any idiot can score the cup winning goal. Panarin is a much better player, that’s why he gets paid more

 

[Filip Chytil]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1806727559398179134

Stammer time hitting the market. Makes sense for Detroit and NYR. Saw someone connect him to Preds as well. He'd be a good addition but theyd probably need to move Trouba to bring him in and fill their other needs.

Time for Sather to come out of retirement and toss Stammer a 11M contract

 

[Riche16]

To me the only way moving Kakko to trade up a few spots in R1 makes sense is if his camp is forcing the issue.

A team trying to contend shouldn’t be trading NHLers to move up a few spots at the back end of R1.

Agree about the return but he was a healthy scratch in the playoffs for a game or two.

Lets not pretend he was integral at all this season or in the playoffs.

 

[effen]

Will everyone stop preemptively complaining about trading Kakko to move up 5 spots.

Contending. Teams. Do. Not. Trade. Off. The. Roster. For. Marginal. Magic. Bean. Selection. Upgrades.

 

[GENESISPuck94]

Any idiot can score the cup winning goal. Panarin is a much better player, that’s why he gets paid more

NHL Records

records.nhl.com

Doesn't look like a list full of "any idiot".

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

Agree about the return but he was a healthy scratch in the playoffs for a game or two.

Lets not pretend he was integral at all this season or in the playoffs.

I personally think he’s a good 3rd liner right now. That’s not nothing.

Put it another way, in a vacuum it’s one step closer to Johnny Brodzinsky being a regular next year…nothing against him but that’s not the direction this should be heading right now.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

NHL Records

records.nhl.com

Doesn't look like a list full of "any idiot".

Whole lot of average ass players on that list.

Oilers manage to not miss that great chance late and someone else gets the “most important goal in Panthers history”

 

[Filip Chytil]

Feels like Drury is frantically trying to swing a deal for Sammy Blais and a 2nd round pick

 

[NYR Viper]

I was wrong, Kadri is 33 and has 5 years left, not 4

 

[Riche16]

I personally think he’s a good 3rd liner right now. That’s not nothing.

I think he's decent. I'm not bashing him & I CERTAINLY WOULD NOT deal him to move up in this draft.

Was merely pointing to the fact that he's not integral to this team's success.

 

[effen]

Feels like Drury is frantically trying to swing a deal for Sammy Blais and a 2nd round pick

People laugh but he also moves on relatively quickly from his mistakes. Blais, Nemeth, Reaves.

 

[kovazub94]

Been phone posting but have a better chance to respond now

Basically, I think Lindgren was "fine" with Fox for the first year because no one knew what they were getting with Fox yet, he wasn't considered the top D on the team, pairing him with a guy he knew made sense, and then they kept that going in year 2 which was fine. But by this point I think we can see that if Fox is the teams top defenseman, he needs a better partner. Lindgren is "mid" at best at everything...he's not big, he's not physical (in a way that matters, he's not winning lots of battles or throwing hits that scare anyone), he doesn't move the puck well, he doesn't defend particularly well, he doesn't clear the crease, he certainly doesn't facilitate offense, he doesn't deny defensive zone entries...he doesn't even take hits to make a play well (because he's always taking dangerous hits and getting hurt).
Even if we come down on the side of "Fox needs a stay at home partner to do the dirty work for him like retrieve pucks" then the Rangers can still easily upgrade over Lindgren there, because he doesn't DO any of that stuff particularly well.

He's easily upgradable. The reason he hasn't been is because he's buddies with Fox and people built up this narrative that Fox somehow needs him. But again, everything that Fox needs in a partner are things that can be done by someone other than Lindgren and done better and for probably as expensive or cheaper at this point.

Ideally the Rangers would move on. I'm worried they're going to handicap Fox for most of his career here with a guy that only does one thing acceptably well and that's be friends with the best defenseman on the team.

This is great post and describes my attitude almost to a t. I was on the point where “Lindgren's having a down season but he should be expected to bounce back and the Rangers can keep him on a long(er) deal as long as his cap hit is reasonable”.
I was maintaining this stance deep into the regular season. I still believe that Fox's partner doesn't need to be anything special on the offensive side but this playoff run proved that Lindgren is not up to par being a defensive, stay-home partner D in 1LD role. As Levi said Lindgren was Fox's partner when the Rangers surprisingly got to ECF two years ago and as a group were exhausted to push further after going 2 games up and having 2:0 lead on TBL in the second period or game 3. I also could hardly blame him specifically for last season's collapse in the first round against Devs. But this playoff run was a turning point for me (and hopefully for Drury) in the way I feel about Lindgren's qualifications to be 1LD Fox's partner and with an increase in his cap hit after his last deal - I don't see him as a cap efficient piece in 3LD role when building the overall roster. On this last point - it's the same basis for my views now re. Trouba.
I mean I really enjoyed this another run to ECF and that it's been a hugely successful season on so many levels and that the Rangers are clearly one of the best contending teams in the league but if Drury wants to help putting the team in better position to compete - it's pretty obvious what his task is for the offseason in this regard.

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

I think he's decent. I'm not bashing him & I CERTAINLY WOULD NOT deal him to move up in this draft.

Was merely pointing to the fact that he's not integral to this team's success.

I mean sure he’s not integral.

Edited my post above but put it another way, in a vacuum it’s one step closer to Johnny Brodzinsky being a regular next year…nothing against him but that’s not the direction this should be heading right now.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

People laugh but he also moves on relatively quickly from his mistakes. Blais, Nemeth, Reaves.

Then why is Laviolette still employed?

 

[effen]

Trading Will Cuylle to move up 1 slot from 127 to 126 would be soooo stupid
Trading Artemi Panarin to move up 4 slots from 191 to 187 would be sooo stupid
Trading Your Momma to move up from a 2027 4th to a 2027 3rd would be sooo stupid

STOP IT

 

[frozenrubber]

I was wrong, Kadri is 33 and has 5 years left, not 4

The Rangers already have Kadri, his name is Vincent Trocheck. Our version is a righty and knows how to win faceoffs.