Roster Building Thread - Part XI (Off-season edition)

[JohnC]

I agree with you, but if we are to believe what we’ve been hearing, it sounds like the odds are in favor of him not being moved. No?

It's hard to say. Drury plays things very close so I take whatever's said in the media with a grain of salt.

If Lindgren's on the team next year I'm not going to end it all like goawaypanarin might, but it's 100% the wrong decision and I was saying the same thing before he had this horrible season.

 

[kovazub94]

Just give him his QO for 1x3.6 then for the third pair if there's not a good trade out there.

It's not a true third pair role though because it's also going to be first pair PK and late game defensive situations.

To what end? This would clearly indicate that he's not a part of long-term core. If there's an acceptable trade - why wait a year? (they do need to also make a decision on Jones and if Lindgren is brought back - him being 7th D again won't help here).

 

[Boris Zubov]

Winnipeg Jets’ 3 Worst Contracts for 2022-23 - The Hockey Writers Latest News, Analysis & More

The Winnipeg Jets have a few less-than-ideal contracts on the books for the 2022-23 season. Here are the three current worst.

thehockeywriters.com

This story is two years old... he bounced back nicely. And he wouldn't be expected to play top 4 minutes here.

 

[NYR Viper]

You can think I’m a fool for saying Lindgren should stay but I’m gonna respectfully reply by saying those players mentioned are 3rd pair depth guys hanging on to stay in the league

Dillon was untradeable 2 yrs ago
You are asking for a tougher Nemeth. Bad contract all over it unless it’s a 1 yr deal

None of the guys I mentioned are going to be 1-2 year deals.

LINDGREN IS A 3RD PAIRING DEFENSEMAN

 

[The Crypto Guy]

Great. The locker room loves him. That's nice.
Every defensemen blocks shots. What does that matter.
Steady? In what capacity is he steady? His season was catastrophic.
People give him this tough label because he always fights through injuries. Yet why is he always getting hurt? Because he cant make a play and just gets destroyed.

But yeah, lets give him a 4x4 with NTC because he's a locker room guy. Did the Girardi and Staal contracts teach us nothing.


Thats the problem. He wont be lower in the lineup. He will be stapled next to Fox.

I feel like Im taking crazy pills.

4M is nothing.

Staal and Giradi got paid much more when the cap was much less (20M less...)

 

[Vitto79]

This story is two years old... he bounced back nicely. And he wouldn't be expected to play top 4 minutes here.

Yea what I said . Bad contract 2 yrs ago . Bounced back. Still not a top 4. Depth guy sure

 

[NYR Viper]

Winnipeg Jets’ 3 Worst Contracts for 2022-23 - The Hockey Writers Latest News, Analysis & More

The Winnipeg Jets have a few less-than-ideal contracts on the books for the 2022-23 season. Here are the three current worst.

thehockeywriters.com

This is simple, he was overpaid, and he won't be overpaid this time around. That was also during a time when the cap was stagnant, it's no longer so.

 

[Vitto79]

None of the guys I mentioned are going to be 1-2 year deals.

LINDGREN IS A 3RD PAIRING DEFENSEMAN

let’s say he is . The guys you mentioned are worse imo

 

[NYR Viper]

Yea what I said . Bad contract 2 yrs ago . Bounced back. Still not a top 4. Depth guy sure

This is what Lindgren is. Dillon and Lindgren had, almost literally, the same role for their teams last year.

 

[Boris Zubov]

It's hard to say. Drury plays things very close so I take whatever's said in the media with a grain of salt.

If Lindgren's on the team next year I'm not going to end it all like goawaypanarin might, but it's 100% the wrong decision and I was saying the same thing before he had this horrible season.

Some of us were advocating to move him two seasons ago even before the Tampa series. It was pretty obvious what all that wear & tear on his body was going to result in. He's simply not built for that type of abuse long term, as tough & willing as his heart is.

 

[NYR Viper]

let’s say he is . The guys you mentioned are worse imo

That's just not the case...

 

[rangers1314]

It's hard to say. Drury plays things very close so I take whatever's said in the media with a grain of salt.

If Lindgren's on the team next year I'm not going to end it all like goawaypanarin might, but it's 100% the wrong decision and I was saying the same thing before he had this horrible season.

Right. Well I’m assuming those “Lindgrens contract ask wasn’t looked at by NYR as insane” comments were coming from Lindgrens camp, not from NYR. We’ll see.

 

[Boris Zubov]

Yea what I said . Bad contract 2 yrs ago . Bounced back. Still not a top 4. Depth guy sure

Ok, but we're not on the hook for that deal & he'll come in cheaper than Tuba & Lindgren would. You're arguing against yourself here.

 

[SA16]

To what end? This would clearly indicate that he's not a part of long-term core. If there's an acceptable trade - why wait a year? (they do need to also make a decision on Jones and if Lindgren is brought back - him being 7th D again won't help here).

To have him for one year and then let him leave in free agency. If there's not a good trade then how are you going to make a trade? You can give him the one year and if his play is poor just trade/upgrade at the deadline.

 

[NYR Viper]

I hate having to do this but here goes, I'm not going back multiple years but it would be the same story...

23-24

Ryan Lindgren
17p in 76 games
36 PIM's
19:21 TOI
114 hits
103 blocks
-2.2 CF% rel (THIS IS WITH ADAM FOX!!!!)


Brenden Dillon
20p in 77 games
92 PIM's
18:44 TOI
241 hits
111 blocks
-3 CF% Rel


Ian Cole
11p in 78 games
61 PIM's
18:41 TOI
83 hits
166 blocks
-3.8 CF% Rel


These guys all play the same role and I'd argue that Dillon is the best of the bunch, and not by a little.

 

[McRanger92]

I hate having to do this but here goes, I'm not going back multiple years but it would be the same story...

23-24

Ryan Lindgren
17p in 76 games
36 PIM's
19:21 TOI
114 hits
103 blocks
-2.2 CF% rel (THIS IS WITH ADAM FOX!!!!)


Brenden Dillon
20p in 77 games
92 PIM's
18:44 TOI
241 hits
111 blocks
-3 CF% Rel


Ian Cole
11p in 78 games
61 PIM's
18:41 TOI
83 hits
166 blocks
-3.8 CF% Rel


These guys all play the same role and I'd argue that Dillon is the best of the bunch, and not by a little.

Dillon is the type of defenseman every recent Cup winner has had, but fans claim is the worst player in the league.

 

[LORDE]

It was a really bad season. Not just a down season, a downright terrible season. And he was never actually good in that role either. He got this myth built up that he was doing so much to enable Fox which is complete bullshit.

I think many, including the front office, fell in love with his Terminator, takes a lickin & keeps on tickin' attitude.

He's a machine yes, but it's not about that. It's about his inability to gain control of the puck or move it if/when he does.

He's a tough customer & sadly that's about it. He's not worth 3-4M for being hard.

 

[Clark Kellogg]

 

[Boris Zubov]

I hate having to do this but here goes, I'm not going back multiple years but it would be the same story...

23-24

Ryan Lindgren
17p in 76 games
36 PIM's
19:21 TOI
114 hits
103 blocks
-2.2 CF% rel (THIS IS WITH ADAM FOX!!!!)


Brenden Dillon
20p in 77 games
92 PIM's
18:44 TOI
241 hits
111 blocks
-3 CF% Rel


Ian Cole
11p in 78 games
61 PIM's
18:41 TOI
83 hits
166 blocks
-3.8 CF% Rel


These guys all play the same role and I'd argue that Dillon is the best of the bunch, and not by a little.

Dillon is someone who clears the crease & makes guys pay on every shift, plus he actually moves the puck ok out of his own end. His numbers will never be gaudy, but he's built for playoff hockey.

 

[noncents]

lindgren is not it. if the goal is to roster a bad 3LD then get a guy who will cost less, who's big enough to hit instead of just being hit, and won't be a baby blanket for Foxy.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Dillon is someone who clears the crease & makes guys pay on every shift, plus he actually moves the puck ok out of his own end. His numbers will never be gaudy, but he's built for playoff hockey.

Yeah thats the separator between him and Lindgren for me.

One of them does what the other has the perception of doing even though the latter is the nail way more often than he is the hammer.

He's not a guy I want on my top pair or even the 2nd pair. On the bottom pair as a guy who can bring a bit of thump and soak some PK minutes, he's a better (and cheaper) option than RL.

 

[SA16]

I hate having to do this but here goes, I'm not going back multiple years but it would be the same story...

23-24

Ryan Lindgren
17p in 76 games
36 PIM's
19:21 TOI
114 hits
103 blocks
-2.2 CF% rel (THIS IS WITH ADAM FOX!!!!)


Brenden Dillon
20p in 77 games
92 PIM's
18:44 TOI
241 hits
111 blocks
-3 CF% Rel


Ian Cole
11p in 78 games
61 PIM's
18:41 TOI
83 hits
166 blocks
-3.8 CF% Rel


These guys all play the same role and I'd argue that Dillon is the best of the bunch, and not by a little.

So Cole has a large drawback of being incredibly undisciplined which is not exactly what you want in a 3rd pairing dman. In fact he has the worst penalty differential among all players in the NHL over the last 3 years.

 

[LORDE]

Ok how about this
Lindgren is the definition of a team guy that will do anything to help . The locker room loves him

Tanner.

Glass.

*mic drop*

 

[kovazub94]

To have him for one year and then let him leave in free agency. If there's not a good trade then how are you going to make a trade? You can give him the one year and if his play is poor just trade/upgrade at the deadline.

It's possible of course, but IMO not the preferred approach.

 

[SA16]

It's possible of course, but IMO not the preferred approach.

Trading him is the preferred approach but I'd say it's preferable to give Lindgren the QO for one year than to sign him to a long term deal.