Roster Building Thread - Part XI (Off-season edition)

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

Why is Rangers management always addicted to big players that play small, finesse players that are too soft for the playoffs? Why whenever the Rangers get grit its only a 4th liner and never a top line forward that has grit in their game? Othmann has that in him as does Cuylle. Lafréniere has that in his game as does Trocheck but at Trocheck's size and age that might be an issue down the road as he gets older.

By "Rangers management", I am assuming you mean Dolan.

 

[Mike in Houston]

Ummmm no! NO!

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

Larry has really lost the plot with that one

 

[Ruggs225]

Knowing Drury he is going to run it back with a minor change. Dude has no spine.

 

[rangers1314]

How does trading Mika/Kreider not make them worse in the short term?

 

[QJL]

I said it the day Igor signed. Settling for a 4 year contract when he was clearly going to be a future superstar was one of the dumbest moves this organization has made. He was a Hart Trophy nominee that season. He is the best goalie in the playoffs year after year. He will walk in 2025 and this window will close.

 

[rangers1314]

I said it the day Igor signed. Settling for a 4 year contract when he was clearly going to be a future superstar was one of the dumbest moves this organization has made. He was a Hart Trophy nominee that season. He is the best goalie in the playoffs year after year. He will walk in 2025 and this window will close.

Would you blame him?

 

[HFsNumber1Heel]

Larry has really lost the plot with that one

No he's being truthful. They're not trading Kreider. It's all hypotheticals. Trouba is the one to go.

 

[noncents]

did I just read Bern saying Panarin for Mikkola?

i made it a while, but had to cut bait and ignore. to witness seeing the rangers not winning the panthers series as evidence that one's own delusions are vindicated upsets my sensibilities and is bad for my system

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

I’m not sure why anyone would worry about Igor walking. They will do exactly what they did with Hank, which is give him a massive deal. I can pretty much guarantee it

Rempe is able to take NHL shifts. He's going to work all summer on his skating and skill. He'll be ready this fall for 8-10 minutes a night. He's only 21. He's going to physically continue to mature the next two to three years

Means nothing. Plenty of guys take shifts at this level that they shouldn’t. His lack of skills and IQ was unmasked multiple times since he’s been brought up. Literally the only thing at an NHL level right now is his size.

He is a novelty right now. Saying he isn’t is being dishonest

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

No he's being truthful. They're not trading Kreider. It's all hypotheticals. Trouba is the one to go.

The “Summer of Size and Strength”?

Need to get bigger on D?

Rempe as the difference maker?

Thinking the Rangers got dominated because they weren’t physical enough is losing the plot

 

[JimmyG89]

What I'm trying to understand is that Brooks mentioned those three, but did not bring up Panarin. I guess he was satisfied with his 1G 3A series. It was the only line going, but it felt like he was #3 on that line.

I do not think Kreider and Zibanejad are going anywhere. Trouba has to go. He's gone from an effective 2nd pairing guy to someone that has to be buried on the 3rd pair and away from top players.

Similar to Lindgren, I do not care if he was hurt, he's always gotten hurt. You're not winning with him making 8M on your team.

I don't think the forwards were much of the issue when it came to getting out of our zone, it was that for nearly half the game someone out there couldn't and it weighs on you. Lindgren, Trouba, and to a lesser extent Schneider. Then Fox was severely hampered and it goes downhill quick.

I'm willing to give Schneider the benefit of being young and still able to get better. He is still 22 and has shown he can do it. I though Gus was solid, not great.

The first step is the easiest and that is getting Jones in as an every game player. The rest will be from outside the organization.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

The “Summer of Size and Strength”?

Need to get bigger on D?

Rempe as the difference maker?

Thinking the Rangers got dominated because they weren’t physical enough is losing the plot

Yeah… anyone watching those games and came away with the idea that they need to get tougher in order to win, doesn’t know what they’re talking about.

The defense is the issue. Puck movers. Not toughness lol

 

[bernmeister]

Wennberg is not going to get same contract as in the past. He’d be someone I’d keep as 4c and insurance for Chytil over Goodrow.

no, wenn is crap garbage
we should not have spent a pick on him
and gambled on using an internal asset

Agreed.If able to move Goodrow,Wennberg would be a reasonably cheap replacement and pk'er

NO x 2
Wenn is a disaster
NO

I think you'll have to retain the full 50% to move Trouba. If that's the case, I'd just as soon buy him out rather than take on a bad contract.

When we move Troub, and we can time this for when injury pushes a suitor to pay max return, we can get by retaining only 1.5 and get a 2nd + a 3rd for his last 2 yrs

If you trade Mika and Barkov in this series, I think we absolutely win it. Maybe in 7 instead of 6, but I do think that’s the difference.

But finding a way to rid ourselves of Mika, who has an albatross contract and a NMC, and finding a Barkov without giving up much are both unrealistic expectations. Jesus only performed miracles so often. We need 2 in an offseason.

When we signed Mika, I said give him 10-10.5 per BUT
ONLY 2-3 yrs and no nmc, only very limited ntc
I was roasted
Again, I am proven right
If they don't want to go w/bern, then we will hurt short term but in coupla yrs we won't have these situations

Also, getting back to cuylle, when kreider is eventually moved, I can see him being the net front guy on the PP. and if we can sign draisaitl in July 2025 I can see cuylle filling that 1st line LW spot

Kreider stays as long as he is a gym rat who produces

Its probably already been mentioned but Carp brought up a good point on twitter. We really should have done whatever it took to grab Guentzel at the deadline. Instead we have Wennberg and other bottom 6 players being inserted on our top line in the ECF

No such absoltute desperation moves = stupid overpay = regret later
NO

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

The “Summer of Size and Strength”?

Need to get bigger on D?

Rempe as the difference maker?

Thinking the Rangers got dominated because they weren’t physical enough is losing the plot

Yeah he missed the point if that was his takeaway from this series.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

Why hasn’t the roster been blown up yet?

 

[Tob]

you lifeless losers, 14 pages in the off season rbt already. let me catch up

 

[RangerBlues]

Bread, CK, Zib, LaF, Ch, Tro, Goody are going nowhere. KK style of play does not fit. The rest are interchangeable parts. Rempe is a wild card. Can he develop into a more complete player with the physicality.
The D core has to be changed up. They got exposed. And I dont care who they change up.

 

[JimmyG89]

Why hasn’t the roster been blown up yet?

It's going to be a quick 30 days to free agency. Teams finally have some money to spend and plenty of disappointment around the league.

 

[SA16]

What the Rangers should tell Rempe to work on in the offseason is getting a college degree so he can do something else instead of playing hockey.

 

[zlev]

How does trading Mika/Kreider not make them worse in the short term?

Mika at this point is a 3C at 5v5 and he hasn't done anything specifically special on the PP in two seasons. in fact I would say that he hurts it more than he helps, he picked up points solely by existing. Kreider, fully agreed, do not want him gone at all.

 

[Tob]

you have to give up any amount of assets or promising young players in order to insert one "right guy" doesn't matter if we give up 3 firsts or a decent young players/prospects, gabe parrot, whatever, othmann if anyone even wants him. Give it all up if we can find a jam jam f*** pump type player because right now, we have Troch and Lafreniere and that's it. When crunch time hits and it's time to pump or go to bed, shit or get off the pot, you need guys that can squeeze one out. All the assets we have are just face value assets. do what vegas does and go ham on players they believe are big bazonga winners. so what if the traded piece goes to a shit team and gets top 6 minutes, pp time, pk time and puts up 70 points. you need winners. they should have swung for the fence and used assets to find the right players instead of settling with zibanejad when drury took over.

missed the boat and signed zibanedeejayd but now maybe we can flip trouba and lindgren for assets and used those assets to try and poach a rock solid possession outlet pass player, i dont know who that is maybe a choochrun or some one else. boot troubda and lindgren and give jones a chance go and sign tanev to a 4 year $6.85M AAV deal since he's better than anything Trouba at 8 or lindgren at 6 can ever put together

 

[DanielBrassard]

I certainly hope Larry is right and they do have a discussion about asking Mika to waive his No-move. It would show that Drury understand the limitations of this group and that they aren’t good enough to win a cup. And I don’t think Larry is wrong. Of course we want more skill, but that skill kinda has to be big and strong. Strong at the very least, this team has been so bad when it comes to retrieving pucks and winning battles.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

How does trading Mika/Kreider not make them worse in the short term?

Who cares? We need to start thinking long term. Window is closed with this core.

 

[surlysailor]

Mika and Panarin aren’t going anywhere. People need to come back down to earth.

Kreiders deal makes him a bargain for his production. Why are we trading him?

IMO it’s about decisions on defense. Specifically the Lindgren decision.

This! The defense need to be able to strip the puck away and move it out, and not just ice it or barely out of the zone.i appreciate the effort of lindgren & trouba but there mid. They can’t bully anyone off the puck and they can barely strip it and make a first pass out. All trouba can do is the occasional open ice hit and block shots. Pl did a great job of his year but he needs to realize that they need to split up k& z at 5v5. Pp & pk sure keep them together, but kz stink it up 5v5. We’ve been looking for a player to unlock them since Buch and the issue is them together. W/o trades I’d go
Ck-chytil-FA/oth
Panarin-troch-laf
Cuylle-z-kk(forces z to become a shooter again. He’s trying too hard to be a playmaker and forgets he has a lethal shot)
Vesey-good-eds/rempe.

Can roll 3 lines evenly and not exhaust the top 2 lines when they get smothered.