Roster Building Thread - Part XI (Off-season edition)

[HatTrick Swayze]

Making Vegas an offer the can’t refuse for Theodore would probably be my plan A. I’m sure they will find better ways to clear cap but if it’s even remotely an option I would support trading trust about anything.

 

[kovazub94]

I’m not excited because it’s more of the same. He’s the perfect fit for this current “country club team” that everyone rails on. His strengths are everything we already have, and so are his weaknesses.

He’s a fantastic player in a vacuum. The best player we could’ve picked at that point in the draft. The exact type of player that has brought us to ECF without getting over the hump. And he’ll be in that same position with the Rangers if they don’t pair him with a legitimate 1C.

It’s why I wouldn’t be against moving him if it meant bringing in that 1C. I don’t think he should be as untouchable as others on here claim. But I’m also not moving him for another winger. It needs to be in a package for a true top pairing D man or 1C.

I’m just tired of his org trying to win with wingers. Gaborik wasn’t it. Nor was Nash. Nor is Panarin. All of those dollars would’ve been better spent shoring up the 1C position

Then don’t link these together. Being excited to draft Perreault and thinking the Rangers needs improvement for 1C (I disagree but you’re entitled to your opinion) are separate things.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Need another center, I'm not even worried about trading Mika because it's not likely happening anyway, but we need someone that against physical teams can slot into a top 6 and allow Mika to drop to line 3, someone big, good on draws and responsible. It might have even worked if we put Goodrow with Kreider and Chytil and let Mika play 3rd line.
If Necas is available I'm all in, othmann in, berard in, Robertson and Jones in, possibly Sykora. It's time to turn this to the kids and let the vets be complimentary players since they all have no move clauses. We have pieces to be excited about, now we gotta make them fit.

 

[SRHRangers]

Can you break down the cap and tell me why retaining $4M for two years is WORSE than having to play Trouba? It just seems like a lot of upside.


Get those extensions locked in ASAP then?

Because even with retaining, we are taking a bad contract back to make the money equal or attaching a good draft pick to it.


I don't trust Drury is that situation.And we also are already missing 2-4th round picks this draft.

 

[qwertyaas]

Need another center, I'm not even worried about trading Mika because it's not likely happening anyway, but we need someone that against physical teams can slot into a top 6 and allow Mika to drop to line 3, someone big, good on draws and responsible. It might have even worked if we put Goodrow with Kreider and Chytil and let Mika play 3rd line.
If Necas is available I'm all in, othmann in, berard in, Robertson and Jones in, possibly Sykora. It's time to turn this to the kids and let the vets be complimentary players since they all have no move clauses. We have pieces to be excited about, now we gotta make them fit.

I'm still of the opinion that Mika/Kreider would be a much better and dangerous line if it wasn't always shorthanded when they are on the ice. It's not just that they suck or give no effort. They are literally always playing effectively shorthanded.

Meaning, it's literally them two plus a plug against a cohesive 3 man line like Barkov's line. Having no set RW, and noone they can play with makes defending them awfully easy.

 

[kovazub94]

Fox being injured was not the difference. It certainly didn’t help, but this team isn’t winning a Cup with a healthy Fox and everyone else no showing.

Everything else staying as s with healthy Fox Rangers pass Panthers. He’s elite and most important player (with Shesterkin). Not having that was huge in many aspects of the game.

 

[Brutananadilewski]

Because even with retaining, we are taking a bad contract back to make the money equal or attaching a good draft pick to it.


I don't trust Drury is that situation.And we also are already missing 2-4th round picks this draft.

Only way I'm considering retaining is if we do actually get some good players back. If it's for another underperformer, than we're better off just buying out the contract outright.

 

[rangersfansince08]

As to Brady and Mitch, it’s not what they do by themselves; it’s the additive impact:

Kreider/Z/Roslovich

OR

Kreider/Z/Tkachuk or Marner. Get the gist?

I don’t know if Thomas is available….but does it hurt to make the call? Drury should be calling EVERY TEAM with a stud 1C and AT LEAST asking the question-What would it take?

Otherwise what are we doing here? Wash/Rinse/Repeat?

I'd rather Roslovic tbh and save 7.5-10.5 M for our defense than waste anything on a RW for Kredier and Mika

 

[kovazub94]

The only reason people talk about Brady that way is because there are heavy rumors of discontent in that locker room.

Point supported.

 

[PuckLuck3043]

Whats the Sens motivation to trade him for anything less than an overpay?

There probably isn't but any GM giving up anywhere near that for him should be fired.

 

[SRHRangers]

Only way I'm considering retaining is if we do actually get some good players back. If it's for another underperformer, than we're better off just buying out the contract outright.

If a GM is moronic with an offer for Trouba or Lindgren, of course you do it.

Not happening though.

 

[JimmyG89]

If we want to go the UFA route for a LD, my target would be Oliver Kylington. He missed a ton of time dealing with personal matters, but he was becoming a very good player before that.

Fantastic skater and puck mover. I don't think he'd cost a lot and is probably looking for a 1 year deal to reestablish his value. Could play with Fox or Schneider and would instantly elevate the top 4 of this team with his game.

The only issue could be the LD market isn't that strong and a team may look to give him a nice longer term deal.

 

[Vitto79]

So if Lindgren gets dealt who can they get as a LD to play 2nd pair with Schneider

Miller with Fox
Jones with Trouba / he’s not going

No way Gus is back after that FLA play

 

[huerter]

Need another center, I'm not even worried about trading Mika because it's not likely happening anyway, but we need someone that against physical teams can slot into a top 6 and allow Mika to drop to line 3, someone big, good on draws and responsible. It might have even worked if we put Goodrow with Kreider and Chytil and let Mika play 3rd line.
If Necas is available I'm all in, othmann in, berard in, Robertson and Jones in, possibly Sykora. It's time to turn this to the kids and let the vets be complimentary players since they all have no move clauses. We have pieces to be excited about, now we gotta make them fit.

The moral of the playoffs is definitely if you want to go the distance you play only rookies.

 

[qwertyaas]

I'd rather Roslovic tbh and save 7.5-10.5 M for our defense than waste anything on a RW for Kredier and Mika

The issue is, without solving Mika/Kreider RW, we are effectively always shorthanded at 1st of 2nd line. The plug RW adds nearly nothing if they are never in-sync and never playing as a cohesive line. It sucks, but to me solving that is a priority this summer.

 

[SA16]

I don't think moving one of Panarin/Zib is realistic this offseason.

But Trouba costs 8 million and spent our most crucial games on the third pairing, and arguably playing below replacement level. He's an obvious scapegoat, trade candidate, and I've been talking about moving him in summer 2024 for 3 years now. He'd still fetch a pretty handsome return.

How is Trouba overpaid, a third pairing player, and below replacement level but also a player who could get a good return?

 

[n8]

Does this plan have enough cap space to resign Laf and Shesty???

 

[DanielBrassard]

I remember an old thread comparing the 2014 team and this team, and I said “that team had more determination, but not the skill. This team has the skill, but not the determination.”

They’re very skilled, but there’s a softness. It’s not a physical thing, it’s inner toughness. It’s that willingness to get to the slot, or go to the net for a rebound, to get the puck in the deep and then go get it and set up in the offensive zone. It’s just not there in this group.

I do think a shakeup to the core is needed. I think they do need to upgrade the LHD spot next to Fox, get a legit Top 6 RW, and ultimately move on from some guys that we all know and love.

I think that teams skill was underrated. Pouliot-Brassard-Zuccarello as a 3rd line was insane depth, they were one of the best lines in the league.

Best Ranger team I’ve watched. Too bad Girardi was broken down by then otherwise they might have squeezed past LA.

 

[huerter]

Everything else staying as s with healthy Fox Rangers pass Panthers. He’s elite and most important player (with Shesterkin). Not having that was huge in many aspects of the game.

We were beat more thoroughly by Florida than we beat Washington and their D was mangled.

 

[PuckLuck3043]

If a GM is moronic with an offer for Trouba or Lindgren, of course you do it.

Not happening though.

I disagree. There are definitely teams who would trade for him provided there was some retention. Teams still feel his physicality and leadership are something they can use. Hell, Lavy was still playing this guy in the top 4 most of this year and earlier in this series.

 

[Mac n Gs]

Steve Staios already said that they're building the team around Tkachuk, and I have to be honest, some of the takes in here about him are super weird considering he's consistently one of the best 5v5 players and scorers in the league. He's a near lock for giving you 35-35 each year and generates a ton within the slot. He's quite literally the exact type of player that would help fix a lot of issues, and he has the bad rep right now because he's one of those players that's easily hatable when he's not on your own team.

Anyways, I'm not gonna waste too much time on a post mortem while last night's loss still stings, but there's a few things systemically that are pretty apparent as to why they keep losing these types of games over and over again.

You're not going to win when you have a forward or two cheating high trying to stretch the neutral zone and the other team pushing their dmen to the tops of the circles. Tampa closed us out this way, and it's what Florida did for 3 straight games. You leave your defense in a brutal spot where there's no puck support and they're forced to chip it up the walls and hope for you to win a NZ puck battle. Even if you win that battle, your forward is likely just going to be going 1v3 or 1v4 into the offensive zone, dump the puck, and go for a change. It's giving your opponent to start attacking you with momentum and speed while your guys are trying to get set up coming off a line change. You need puck support to ease the pressure against high forechecking teams and to attack through the NZ with speed. Even if a team is trying to trap, the controlled zone exits let you chip-and-chase with numbers to have better odds of winning puck battles down low and generating zone time. Part of it is personnel, but it's been a common theme under the last 4 coaches that just simply hasn't been addressed.

 

[n8]

Because even with retaining, we are taking a bad contract back to make the money equal or attaching a good draft pick to it.


I don't trust Drury is that situation.And we also are already missing 2-4th round picks this draft.

I think we disagree on Trouba's value. You must think so poorly of him that even at 50% you think we need to give more? This feels like classic Ranger fan doom and gloomism. Trouba at $4M for two years will GET us something. I think it would get us something decent in fact. Some GM desperate to even get into the playoffs because their owner is breathing down their necks for playoff ticket sales will buy in the regular season Trouba Train hype and pay us so long as we retain.

 

[SRHRangers]

I disagree. There are definitely teams who would trade for him provided there was some retention. Teams still feel his physicality and leadership are something they can use. Hell, Lavy was still playing this guy in the top 4 most of this year and earlier in this series.

Trouba was a pylon. Sure we can trade him but it would be problem for problem and the retention just balances the money out.

 

[Fitzy]

How is Trouba overpaid, a third pairing player, and below replacement level but also a player who could get a good return?

Because I am a strong believer that a lot of general managers in the NHL still overvalue all the attributes that Trouba has a lot of, which I did not list as my focus was on his shortcomings.

And he was only below replacement level this postseason.

 

[SRHRangers]

I think we disagree on Trouba's value. You must think so poorly of him that even at 50% you think we need to give more? This feels like classic Ranger fan doom and gloomism. Trouba at $4M for two years will GET us something. I think it would get us something decent in fact. Some GM desperate to even get into the playoffs because their owner is breathing down their necks for playoff ticket sales will buy in the regular season Trouba Train hype and pay us so long as we retain.

We would still take a contract back.

I rather just bury Trouba for a year and much easier to deal one year of him than 2.

Scheinder is ready for more minutes anyway