Roster Building thread - Part X - (TDL edition)

[duhmetreE]

Curious to see how Jones and Foxy work

Should in theory be able to move the puck quickly

 

[Fitzy]

Curious to see how Jones and Foxy work

Should in theory be able to move the puck quickly

Just make sure they have it. Best way to do that is to make sure most of their shifts are with the Panarin line.

Always reminisce about how Rozsival-Malik was the best pairing in the league in 2005 because they never had to defend.

 

[bhamill]

Will say this.
Selling high on LaF + Shesty + showing willingness to make moving vets like Trouba demonstrate such vet favoritism bends, buckles and breaks to cap reality will be wake up call for bread + Mika, who may consider waiving early IF, as consideration therefor, Rs try to send to preferred place of relocation

I have questions.
Why trade Laf? If we traded Laf right now we would not be “selling high”… he’s 22, he’s only going to get better. This makes no sense to me.
Shesty? I think he’s at his peak, but it’s not like he’s 32… he’s not going to be on the age decline any time soon, why sell “high” on him?
Panarin is playing lights out, why would we WANT to trade him? He’s actually outplaying his contract IMO.

 

[Machinehead]

We don't need to make sure Fox has the puck. It's built in.

 

[bhamill]

Where are they going dude? Mika is the 1C whether people like it or not, and Trouba’s contract is not easily moved without retention.

Well, Zib’s 2C in reality. Trails Troch in most important metrics, especially at 5v5. If I could only keep one, even disregarding cap hit, I’d take Trocheck this year. Easily.
Trouba, I actually think he COULD be moved pretty easily. More than one GM would love to have that presence on the Blue Line. Retention? Not necessary unless you want a return higher in value than without.
I’m not saying either SHOULD or WILL be moved.

Who's scoring 30 goals that costs less than Kreider?

Yeah, I think Kreids retires here. And I’m all for that.

 

[Profet]

It's literally on the website:

Isolated Impacts

Visualizations and predictions for understanding hockey.

hockeyviz.com

I honestly didn't even pick out a url in the image. But yeah. this does help. Thank you.


Not sure why he/they chose to leave out the labels from the chart. Having those would have it made obvious what is going on. (I added blue arrow to the chart on his website). Those labels should just be on every chart. Without them... who knows what they are charting.

 

[80shockeywasbuns]

Where are they going dude? Mika is the 1C whether people like it or not, and Trouba’s contract is not easily moved without retention.

I’d retain on Trouba in a heartbeat. Even if they had to retain half, which they wouldn’t, that’s still 4 million freed up that could go to a player who is actually useful

 

[Profet]

You would not have to retain with Trouba.

He may have little value on these boards, but GMs would be all over him.

 

[SA16]

I honestly didn't even pick out a url in the image. But yeah. this does help. Thank you.


Not sure why he/they chose to leave out the labels from the chart. Having those would have it made obvious what is going on. (I added blue arrow to the chart on his website). Those labels should just be on every chart. Without them... who knows what they are charting.

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I believe that is done intentionally to not bloat every chart with too many words when you can just reference the glossary to learn what it means. A lot of the times these guys try to go too simplistic with their charts and make them very hard to understand for anyone who isn't already experienced with them.

 

[frozenrubber]

Biggest prob is defying bern's advice, we did/do/will not have zero nmc policy.
Don't get me wrong.
Certain guys, some yrs wanna/have to give them close to nmc equiv = like 30 team ntc. Almost/effectively nearly the same, but upholds posture NOBODY gets nmcs, NOBODY.

That would, like Troub, at least make possible to move.
bread/Zib, we are married w/zero flexibility.

Other prob is we gave like a 20OA to Jets for Troub, just to get him early.
We could have just waited til he hit ufa status a few months later.
Aside from loss of pick, we surrendered leverage in contract negotiations.
facepalm

Dude, I know you are typically well meaning, but if you are going to be so insistent on 'being right', at least get the facts right.

Trouba was an RFA, not a pending UFA.

As for 'leverage', why do you think a UFA (again, he wasn't one, but was one in your scenario where a few months = 13 months) would have less leverage than a RFA. You literally trade for a RFA because of the power you have opposed to needing to outbid 31 teams?!?

 

[Machinehead]

One day someone will break down one of these charts with detailed explanations.

If the chart says "Kreider" on it, the Rangers are good at everything and the other team is good at nothing.

 

[Fitzy]

You would not have to retain with Trouba.

He may have little value on these boards, but GMs would be all over him.

We'd get a solid return as well. I'd want a 3RD in the deal not named Pionk, God help us

NYR would do well to think about that as Schneider seems to improve on the monthly. It came a little later than some of us expected, but he could be ready for a larger role next season.

That said, Trouba has logged nearly 22 a game this season, that'd be a lot for Schneider alone.

 

[Clark Kellogg]

 

[mas0764]

Where are they going dude? Mika is the 1C whether people like it or not, and Trouba’s contract is not easily moved without retention.

They are both albatrosses at their cap hits. Gotta get creative.

 

[bernmeister]

Dude, I know you are typically well meaning, but if you are going to be so insistent on 'being right', at least get the facts right.

Trouba was an RFA, not a pending UFA.

As for 'leverage', why do you think a UFA (again, he wasn't one, but was one in your scenario where a few months = 13 months) would have less leverage than a RFA. You literally trade for a RFA because of the power you have opposed to needing to outbid 31 teams?!?

Who says bern is unreasonable? Besides 4 or so guys who would insist water is not wet if I said it is?

ok, for the record, I STAND CORRECTED !!!

Being an rfa not a ufa makes dif on if deal w/1st to Winni was justified.
btw -- would not be 1st time MSG went where I described.
Carmello Anthony was similar situation.
We sent several guys to wherever it was I forgot, just so we could get him early, just so we could make him a happy camper w/more $$ sooner.

 

[bernmeister]

I have questions.
Why trade Laf? If we traded Laf right now we would not be “selling high”… he’s 22, he’s only going to get better. This makes no sense to me.
Shesty? I think he’s at his peak, but it’s not like he’s 32… he’s not going to be on the age decline any time soon, why sell “high” on him?
Panarin is playing lights out, why would we WANT to trade him? He’s actually outplaying his contract IMO.

This is a fair ?
I will explain fully when I have time this w'e ish to give full presentation

short immediate answer is it is not what you give up, but what you get in return
Yes, LaF will be worth mo later, but so will value of assets returned.

I have envisioned good combo of immediate help for us and signif upside
Will give deets later

 

[80shockeywasbuns]

Anyone have evolving hockey subscription ? Interested to see Fox’s player card for Norris comparisons

 

[Kendo]

Dude, I know you are typically well meaning, but if you are going to be so insistent on 'being right', at least get the facts right.

Trouba was an RFA, not a pending UFA.

As for 'leverage', why do you think a UFA (again, he wasn't one, but was one in your scenario where a few months = 13 months) would have less leverage than a RFA. You literally trade for a RFA because of the power you have opposed to needing to outbid 31 teams?!?

I started typing basically the same thing, but you said it.

Bern, you mean well. A lot of the times your premise is agreeable, but the details can go off the rails.

NMC's = Bad
We all agree.

We miss out on Panarin in 2019 because the Isles offered more PLUS don't have an in-house "zero tolerance policy" if we offer him the same thing but a 30-team NTC instead of the NMC. It's about being judicious.

We'd get a solid return as well. I'd want a 3RD in the deal not named Pionk, God help us

NYR would do well to think about that as Schneider seems to improve on the monthly. It came a little later than some of us expected, but he could be ready for a larger role next season.

That said, Trouba has logged nearly 22 a game this season, that'd be a lot for Schneider alone.

I agree, but I don't get the bolded part. Schneids effectively skipped the AHL without having to get the literal AHL "points" to get a promotion, so the beginning of his NHL career was way earlier than expected to start. He's progressed nicely, so I think he's still a little ahead of the curve today.

Miller took off a season earlier (compared to when they were drafted), but if anyone expected Braden to put up 40 points this season that'd be wild! Not you, just who you're referencing with "some of us."

 

[Chytilmania]

Curious to see how Jones and Foxy work

Should in theory be able to move the puck quickly

Rempe will be on the ice with them at all times as a body guard.

 

[ncdoc]

Who says bern is unreasonable? Besides 4 or so guys who would insist water is not wet if I said it is?

ok, for the record, I STAND CORRECTED !!!

Being an rfa not a ufa makes dif on if deal w/1st to Winni was justified.
btw -- would not be 1st time MSG went where I described.
Carmello Anthony was similar situation.
We sent several guys to wherever it was I forgot, just so we could get him early, just so we could make him a happy camper w/more $$ sooner.

It is way more than 4 guys. Sorry the vast majority of us just don't reply.

Not saying I do not enjoy your posts but you are way to full of it.

 

[Fitzy]

They are both albatrosses at their cap hits. Gotta get creative.

If NYR wanted to trade Zibanejad there would be a line of people at the door waiting to take him off our hands.

 

[egelband]

Kreider -Zib- Oth
Bread - Vinny - LAF
Koolaid - Wennberg - Kakko
Vesey - Edström - Rempe
Berard/Brodzinski

?? - Fox
Miller - Schneider
Jones - Trouba
Big monster spare

Igor
Quick

That is likely what we will see
Very exciting team IMO
Unfortunately Chytil is going to take the Mike Sauer route. Such a shame. Hope he can live a somewhat healthy and normal life…

They could probably bring back Roslovic too if they want. Can’t imagine he costs that much and he’s a perfect fit lugging the puck.

 

[Boris Zubov]

Kreider shows up every year in the playoffs. Rarely is he not effective in April, May and June. He's also expanded his game more and more. Kreider is at 32 assists which is 7 more than his prior career high. I'm not moving Kreider unless there is a massive upgrade coming in return. Super reasonable contract and on top of it is clearly entrenched in the organization.

There is a much greater chance that Kreider signs another deal (2-3 years) with the Rangers than this being his last one. He has 804 games played. If he plays the remaining 11 remaining he's at 815. 185 away from 1000. If he plays all 82 the next two seasons (81 and 79 the last two), he'll hit 1000 around the midway point of his last year. Only two Rangers have ever played 1000 regular season games for the franchise, Brian Leetch and Rod Gilbert.


Laviolette is not going to sit any of his PK guys. I just can't see it happening. Kakko should be getting PK time by now. There is no reason he is only a ES and PP player. A Wennberg-Kakko forward pair for the PK could cause a little havoc too.

I do see why he likes having Goodrow there, it's one of the very few things he is good at. I do think it comes down to the three we've seen rotated between Cuylle, Rempe, and Brodz, based on matchups or changes he wants to make. Would love to see a Vesey-Brodz-Rempe line because they all can skate and play a tough game.

Good post. Just a small nitpick, Harry Howell is the franchise leader in games played with over 1100.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

I can't wait until Kreider is no longer a Ranger so we could go back to complaining that we have no net front presence. That was easily a top 5 complaint amongst Rangers fans when I first started watching the Rangers. And now bozos deride him as a "deflection artist".

 

[EdJovanovski]

I can't wait until Kreider is no longer a Ranger so we could go back to complaining that we have no net front presence. That was easily a top 5 complaint amongst Rangers fans when I first started watching the Rangers. And now bozos deride him as a "deflection artist".

We’d still have Rempe