Roster Building thread - Part X - (TDL edition)

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I was unclear after the game why so many people on here just assumed Lindgren would be recovered by the playoffs.

I assumed it was some snippet I had missed, but not it's just starting to seem like a pure erroneous assumption

And yes, I know the guy has had a down year, but let's not pretend we're better with him out of the lineup.
 
Let's see what Gus has. I've been championing him lately. He made a couple egregious plays the past 2 games. Overall more good than bad but he'll have to step it up here
 
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Unless we move Trouba, Goodrow, and or Mika do we even have any cap space next season?
We do, but we would need to move at least Goodrow if we want to make anything more than Bottom-Pair and Bottom-6 signings.

We have $12.5M in cap space w/16 players signed.

Kakko is an RFA w/arbitration rights, but I can't see him getting much of a raise above his QO ($2.4M).

Lindgren is an RFA w/arb rights, as well. That's a thornier issue. I think many believe he doesn't deserve a raise from the $3M he's making right now, but I think we'll give him a bit of a bump to keep him and his bro Fox happy. $3.5M sounds about right.

Schneider is an RFA w/o arb rights. He likely gets a bridge in the $2M range.

That leaves you with about $4.5M to replace (or pay) Gus, and somehow find a middle-6 winger. That becomes lightyears easier if you can find a way to get Goodrow's $3.6M off the books and replace him from within with a cheap ELC. That nets you in the neighborhood of $2.7M.

I'm also penciling in Chytil as the 3C, but if that doesn't happen, you have his $4.4M in cap relief to pay his replacement. That should be doable.
 
When talking about size in the NHL, it isn't defined as "height" on paper.
1. They're not the same height or weight.
2. Jones has a very light lower body half (have you seen his legs?) and isn't as grounded as some other players. So he's easy to knock off the puck in the board battles.
3. He would get absolutely wrecked if he engaged in the way Lindgren does, and we've seen what happens to Lindgren, often.

Jones is much better and moving the puck and using his edges to gain some space between him and the attacking player. That's where he's going to excel. In the playoffs, if that continues and we don't allow teams to pressure us, battling the night in our zone, then it shouldn't be much of a concern. However, if we buckle when the game gets tight and our players move the puck backwards like they enjoy doing, it may become a problem. Play stupid games. Win stupid prizes.

they're 1 inch and 5lbs different. also, have you watched Jones play the last week? i haven't seen him get knocked off the puck on the boards very often. he has gotten "wrecked" less than Lindgren has as well. like I said, he's very similar to Montour and Forsling and they had no problem in the playoffs last year. he's quick and moves the puck very well, he's the exact kind of player you need in the playoffs in this era of hockey, it's not 2012 anymore.
 
Kreider on pace to match his best productive year, and has bounced back from last season. Has already exceeded last season's production by 10 points and still has 14 games to go.

Is he still on some people's shit list and want him to be traded? Asking for a friend.
handful -- likely mostly the 4 or so who disagree w/me if I say water is wet -- and maybe coupla others are only ones saying that.

I said CK was worth keeping and I wuz right, he'll likely retire a Ranger.
But that is only the rule, with an *.
* There is constant the greater rule, almost anyone can be had if enuf on the table.
 
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they're 1 inch and 5lbs different. also, have you watched Jones play the last week? i haven't seen him get knocked off the puck on the boards very often. he has gotten "wrecked" less than Lindgren has as well. like I said, he's very similar to Montour and Forsling and they had no problem in the playoffs last year. he's quick and moves the puck very well, he's the exact kind of player you need in the playoffs in this era of hockey, it's not 2012 anymore.
Rangers have done a better job not getting pinned as much in their own end, but let's not pretend like they deploy Jones the same way they deploy Lindgren. I'm not sticking up for Lindgren. You're right it's not 2012 anymore and If you can move the puck out of the zone quickly you're better off. I don't think you have anybody disagreeing here.

You may be the only one who truly believes Jones is 189 as shown on hockey-reference.
 
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Rangers have done a better job not getting pinned as much in their own end, but let's not pretend like they deploy Jones the same way they deploy Lindgren. I'm not sticking up for Lindgren. You're right it's not 2012 anymore and If you can move the puck out of the zone quickly you're better off. I don't think you have anybody disagreeing here.
Not saying you are right or wrong but there are sites that have Jones at 5 ft 11 and 185 lbs which is 1 inch shorter and 5 pounds lighter than Lindgren. No idea where they get their info as other sites list Jones at 170 pounds. Again not sure which one is more current or correct but I doubt Jones would of lost weight since he is playing pro games and growing into his body.
 
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Trading Laf for an unproven rookie now, albeit a highly regarded one is idiotic Bern.
- Laf is 1st NYR 1OA in like 100 years
- he’s finally putting it altogether and becoming the player they envisioned when they drafted him
- you throw away 3 years of developmental work and hard earned playoff experience for a guy who hasn’t played a minute in the NHL….
- Laf is 22. By 24-25 he should be a legit 2-way stud and a fixture on the PP.

If Reinbacher doesn’t look like Makar or leech junior real fast, the GM loses his job and credibility.

You’re basically worried about a salary increase just to have another guy on an ELC that’s a ?
Does it take Rein 2-3 years to establish himself in the top 6??? Longer???

No one is saying adding reinbacher is a bad idea. What you’re willing to give up to get him here is madness not foresight.

Young guys that can produce especially on the big stage in NY are worth more then maybes every time…

You seem to want a senators or a Sabres model of them being filled of youth, ELCs, etc
Both have been declaring themselves almost dynasties going on 3 years now. Neither has/none of their youth has played 1 game of playoff hockey
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peace and good stuff to ya

As a reminder I said as some pt, I would consider LaF for Reinbacher++/++++ to see if we could accommodate requests to keep Gabe Per.
It is Gabe P for Rein there.

As for whether LaF should be moved at all, I had LaF + for Slaf +++
at a minimum

I'll briefly address here what I was gonna say rep to 2 other threads about selling high.

It is not that I don't think LaF has further upside.
Remember, when everyone else was all gloom and doom, I predicated vs the herd that LaF would be "the next Steve Vickers" IF IF IF he could get his skating to NHL acceptable. I believe he has already now met the lower middle of that threshold.
I believe he will continue to improve and get to middle-> upper level of SV trajectory.


The pt here is we effed up by not listening to me and doing those stupid rentals. The faster we admit that than I won't have to exasperate everyone by reminding all about it. So IF and ONLY IF IF IF we get a sufficiently high return, we consider moving preferred pieces for profit which helps long term.

There is a decent + amount more of LaF that IMO he will show.
Howev,
IMO, while the level of improvement by Slaf may not match LaF's it will be greater as a percentage. Say LaF has 20-35%further upside. SlaF, who is more raw at this pt, has 60%+ further upside.
Now obv, this does not justify or make profitable LaF for Slaf.
But if MON adds enuf then it is.

I think I should have added a 2nd from Habs there as well.
So a 1st + a 2nd + Barron + Slaf for LaF + Lindgren
should be considered.

Remember cap etc is real
Slaf could be the next of most of what Kreider is, and it would be shrewd to get him now, as the makes that turn these next 2 seasons.
And Slaf is better for us as to cap hit and team control.

Gabe P + Rein are both ballpark 1.5-2 ish yrs away, so no harm no foul there
 
Rangers have done a better job not getting pinned as much in their own end, but let's not pretend like they deploy Jones the same way they deploy Lindgren. I'm not sticking up for Lindgren. You're right it's not 2012 anymore and If you can move the puck out of the zone quickly you're better off. I don't think you have anybody disagreeing here.

You may be the only one who truly believes Jones is 189 as shown on hockey-reference.
They’ve maintained possession in the ozone and played much better in the neutral zone.
 
We do, but we would need to move at least Goodrow if we want to make anything more than Bottom-Pair and Bottom-6 signings.

We have $12.5M in cap space w/16 players signed.

Kakko is an RFA w/arbitration rights, but I can't see him getting much of a raise above his QO ($2.4M).

Lindgren is an RFA w/arb rights, as well. That's a thornier issue. I think many believe he doesn't deserve a raise from the $3M he's making right now, but I think we'll give him a bit of a bump to keep him and his bro Fox happy. $3.5M sounds about right.

Schneider is an RFA w/o arb rights. He likely gets a bridge in the $2M range.

That leaves you with about $4.5M to replace (or pay) Gus, and somehow find a middle-6 winger. That becomes lightyears easier if you can find a way to get Goodrow's $3.6M off the books and replace him from within with a cheap ELC. That nets you in the neighborhood of $2.7M.

I'm also penciling in Chytil as the 3C, but if that doesn't happen, you have his $4.4M in cap relief to pay his replacement. That should be doable.

The team will have cap space for sure. Even with just buying our Goodrow they should have money available for a Wennberg re-signing and Gustafsson re-signing if desired. They have Edstrom, Rempe and Berard who are likely ready to start next season as full time players and while people shit on Brodzinski, having him as the teams full time 4C would be completely fine between Edstrom and Rempe to start the year or between Edstrom and Vesey.
 
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Gustaffson had already (on a limited basis) stepped up to play in Lindgren's place before. Trouba is not back yet and it's not a perfect or a long-term solution but I'd start with Gus - Fox, Miller - Schneider and Jones - Trouba when the captain returns.
 
Whats Lindgren's QO for next year?

As much as this injury may have bought a spot for Jones next year, I think it also locks Lindgren in for the last year of RFA (unless its some a more minor injury than it appeared to be that he's able to come back from this season.)
 
I was unclear after the game why so many people on here just assumed Lindgren would be recovered by the playoffs.

I assumed it was some snippet I had missed, but not it's just starting to seem like a pure erroneous assumption

And yes, I know the guy has had a down year, but let's not pretend we're better with him out of the lineup.
There’s no question the team is better with Jones than this years version of Lindgren.

Gustaffson had already (on a limited basis) stepped up to play in Lindgren's place before. Trouba is not back yet and it's not a perfect or a long-term solution but I'd start with Gus - Fox, Miller - Schneider and Jones - Trouba when the captain returns.
I’d like to see a Fox-Miller Gus-Schneider top 4 and shelter the shit out of a Trouba-Jones 3rd pair
 
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Gustaffson had already (on a limited basis) stepped up to play in Lindgren's place before. Trouba is not back yet and it's not a perfect or a long-term solution but I'd start with Gus - Fox, Miller - Schneider and Jones - Trouba when the captain returns.
I would keep miller-Schneider together for a stretch as well.
The organization likely wants this to be the long term 2nd pairing of the future…. They have made their share of miscues and bad reads so far, but I’m chalking that up to not really ever playing together for a prolonged period of time.
Both are physical horses with size, both can step up in the play and shoot the puck…
Millers legs make him a threat to carry the puck up ice at any given time…
Schneider is going to have to get accustomed to when to stay/go etc…
Miller is going to have to be more consistent all around too imo…
They def have the size/speed/ability to be a nasty pair going fwd
 
I don’t have any motivation to break Miller and Schneider up because that’s potentially a long term pairing.

I think I am going

Gus-Fox
Miller-Schneider
Jones-Chad

Not special but think it’s the least disruptive. Going to need to improve this D core in the offseason
 
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Wasn't Gus/Schneider tried earlier this year and was horrible? Schneider/Miller MUST stay together.
kind of the opposite. I really want to see Fox+Miller and Gus+Schneider
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Miller and Schneider have been great together, reading up some nonsense above that they haven’t? What planet is that on?
 
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