Speculation: Roster Building Thread Part VIII: Dilly Dilly - Lets Tank!

[Mac n Gs]

Let’s also hope the Rangers don’t make the same mistake of comparatively trading Taylor Hall, Jordan Eberle, a 1st rounder (Matt Barzal), and a 2nd rounder to replace them with Adam Larsson, Ryan Strome, and Griffin Reinhart.

Call me crazy, but I’d guess that had a lot more of an impact than Lucic or Kris Russell.

 

[darko]

Traded away 2 PPG players and and another 60-point player. To our #1 and #2 enemy. Don't know if I should cry or laugh.

 

[Lion Hound]

I think there are guys on team whose Fantasy Football squads may go .500.

This team? Unlikely.

Everyone is expecting them to lose. Im expecting different results. I dont think they are competitors,but i think they will be in, and win more games then the fanboard suggests.

 

[nyr2k2]

I also think we'll be better than suggested. My belief is that in a different system, things will "gel" a little more, and some of the guys that were bad last year won't be as bad. Now I recognize we're without McDonagh and that hurts (don't care about Nash or Miller or Holden), but I'm optimistic that other guys take a step forward and help make up for that. Not a "good" team, per se, but one that is "in it" most nights and a bit better than expected. More like the 25-20 range rather than the 31-26 range. Maybe my optimism is unjustified, however.

 

[Ori]

Poor Connor McDavid

2018-19 NHL Season Preview: Edmonton Oilers

That team is terrible. They have an elite super star franchise center. Another top level center. That's it. Bad contracts. The D is terrible. Cap problems. Awful contracts.

The Rangers need to avoid making the same mistakes with handing out bad contracts.

Brendan Smith came to my mind, but hopefully he figure it out in this new season. And even if he is successful this year! I will still have the thought.. ..should he not be doing something last year concerning his new 4 mil $ contract. And my point is with this comment; it`s easier to say that than actually benefit with new contract signings for any GM in this league. However Jeff Gorton have many players now who are on great contracts as Zucc, Spooner, Hayes, Kevin, and our newly signed Brady Skjei to mention a few players.

 

[Fitzy]

A note on contracts heading into late 30's, in honor of the Wheeler contract just signed.

You can't just not offer players contracts because they want to get paid when they are 36-38 years old. You have to take some bad years to get the good ones. It's about timing.

 

[DanielBrassard]

Edmonton could use a Spooner/Namestnikov, they would instantly be their 2nd best wings after Nugent-Hopkins unless Puljujarvi reaches his potential.

 

[Jaromir Jagr]

You think he would've gotten hurt had he shown up to camp in shape brainiac?

It's these kinds of posts which scare me regarding the future of our world. How can people actually believe this kind of thing? The healthiest I have been in my life, only a few weeks after I ran a 5K in under 20 Mins, I was running one day and my knee gave out and I could barely walk for months.

Professional athletes and specifically hockey players, put stress on their bodies that regular people can never comprehend. Doesn't matter if you played or not. Any day, regardless of their condition, something can go wrong and derail their season or even career. It has nothing to do with the shape they are in.

You bend over backwards, playing with the truth, to argue that Shattenkirk was out of shape, yet there is absolutely no evidence of this. Meanwhile, you completely disregard his overall decent performance, in spite of his injuries, based on facts that he was playing injured for quite some time.

 

[EdJovanovski]

Am I the only one who thinks we might make the playoffs

 

[Beer League Sniper]

I also think we'll be better than suggested. My belief is that in a different system, things will "gel" a little more, and some of the guys that were bad last year won't be as bad. Now I recognize we're without McDonagh and that hurts (don't care about Nash or Miller or Holden), but I'm optimistic that other guys take a step forward and help make up for that. Not a "good" team, per se, but one that is "in it" most nights and a bit better than expected. More like the 25-20 range rather than the 31-26 range. Maybe my optimism is unjustified, however.

It's hard for me to pin down how I feel about the upcoming season, but I have the feeling we'll be a bubble team.

We were at the very bottom of the league (30th) in allowing high-danger scoring chances last season. Yet, we had the 6th-highest high-danger save percentage, thanks mostly to Hank. I expect to see some improvement in that area with a new coach and defensive scheme. I also expect our offense to take a hit with all the departures we've had, but I expect games to be much tighter than they were. I could definitely see work ethic and strong bounce-back years from Hank, Kreider, Shattenkirk, and Zibanejad carrying us to a wild card berth.

 

[Profet]

Zuccarello would slot in nicely in Edmonton. I'd love to take their first off their hands.

 

[NYR]

It's these kinds of posts which scare me regarding the future of our world. How can people actually believe this kind of thing? The healthiest I have been in my life, only a few weeks after I ran a 5K in under 20 Mins, I was running one day and my knee gave out and I could barely walk for months.

Professional athletes and specifically hockey players, put stress on their bodies that regular people can never comprehend. Doesn't matter if you played or not. Any day, regardless of their condition, something can go wrong and derail their season or even career. It has nothing to do with the shape they are in.

You bend over backwards, playing with the truth, to argue that Shattenkirk was out of shape, yet there is absolutely no evidence of this. Meanwhile, you completely disregard his overall decent performance, in spite of his injuries, based on facts that he was playing injured for quite some time.

So I'm what's wrong with the world now?
That's nice.
I'll lose some sleep tonight over that one lol
How about people such as yourself that live in a bubble and are completely oblivious as to what's going on right in front of them and instead choose to turn a blind eye?
Maloney stated in a radio interview (RB confirmed a few pages back)that Shattenkirk, Smith and Zib came into camp in horrible shape last year, bottom 3, so feel free to go sift through the pages and read it for yourself.
Yes, freak injuries do happen, agreed but you, being a runner and use your legs in that capacity (marathon)should know that if you build the muscles in your legs, there will be much less chance of an injury occurring because you're relying on those muscles for movement instead of awkwardly putting unnecessary strain on your joints.
Have to ever been through PT?
The first thing they're going to do once the injury is healed enough is strengthen those very muscles so please don't talk to me like this is anything other than good old fashioned common sense.
The better shape you're in, the less chance of injury...Fact!
On a good note, he's working out with Perentiss this summer (which I am happy to hear) so the chances of this injury reoccurring should be dramatically reduced this year IMO.
Moving on..He is going to be spending a crazy amount of time defending against all the big boys this season and without much defensive help from the top line ( they're very average defensive fwds. Maybe the system helps out with that a bit? TBD) so wouldn't it be a reasonable assumption that his time in the offensive zone is going to be reduced quite a bit?
He'll get his points on the PP for sure but 20 games in when teams start picking up the pace, he's going to get absolutely hammered in the defensive end.
This isn't anything ground breaking.
Again, just common sense so you have your views and I have mine.
We'll see..

 

[Tawnos]

I also think we'll be better than suggested. My belief is that in a different system, things will "gel" a little more, and some of the guys that were bad last year won't be as bad. Now I recognize we're without McDonagh and that hurts (don't care about Nash or Miller or Holden), but I'm optimistic that other guys take a step forward and help make up for that. Not a "good" team, per se, but one that is "in it" most nights and a bit better than expected. More like the 25-20 range rather than the 31-26 range. Maybe my optimism is unjustified, however.

I agree with you, to an extent. I think our forward group is better than it's given credit for being. That being said, I don't really care how much they win, as long as they're working hard.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Am I the only one who thinks we might make the playoffs

No there are more than a few of you.

I can buy this team finishing at or around .500 (still think its quite a task), but I just don't see how a playoff berth is rooted in reality.

So many things would need to go right and whether this team is as bad as they were last season or not (I think it was a pretty accurate representation of where they were, they weren't as good as their record before January or as bad as their record after) they finished 20 points out of a playoff spot while not really improving the roster.

Teams that make massive leaps from one year to the next have one (sometimes two) guys step up and have MVP Caliber seasons (this is why NJ and Colorado, two teams who made a big leap last season made it in with Hall and Mackinnon finishing 1-2 for the hart.) We don't have anyone on the roster capable of having that type of season.

I could definitely see work ethic and strong bounce-back years from Hank, Kreider, Shattenkirk, and Zibanejad carrying us to a wild card berth.

They got great months out of 3 of those 4 in March which carried them to a .500 record during that month.

What you saw in that month is almost for sure not going to be the norm for either Kreider or Zibanejad.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

It's these kinds of posts which scare me regarding the future of our world. How can people actually believe this kind of thing? The healthiest I have been in my life, only a few weeks after I ran a 5K in under 20 Mins, I was running one day and my knee gave out and I could barely walk for months.

Professional athletes and specifically hockey players, put stress on their bodies that regular people can never comprehend. Doesn't matter if you played or not. Any day, regardless of their condition, something can go wrong and derail their season or even career. It has nothing to do with the shape they are in.

You bend over backwards, playing with the truth, to argue that Shattenkirk was out of shape, yet there is absolutely no evidence of this. Meanwhile, you completely disregard his overall decent performance, in spite of his injuries, based on facts that he was playing injured for quite some time.

I don't even have to guess who this is referring to lol.

I guess that dude thinks in his prime Bo Jackson was incredibly out of shape

 

[Webster]

Am I the only one who thinks we might make the playoffs

Certainly not, that's why Zuccarello stays. Because without him you can basically forget about it.

Quinn's vision is to compete from day one.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

Certainly not, that's why Zuccarello stays. Because without him you can basically forget about it.

Quinn's vision is to compete from day one.

Quinn doesn't make roster decisions, Gorton does. Gorton's vision is to tank.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Certainly not, that's why Zuccarello stays. Because without him you can basically forget about it.

Quinn's vision is to compete from day one.

Did you get that from the same source that said Zucc out benched Kreider?

 

[mrmovies779]

Certainly not, that's why Zuccarello stays. Because without him you can basically forget about it.

Quinn's vision is to compete from day one.

We can trade Zuc and still be competitive.Reality says this season is more about integrating some of our young pieces into the lineup to develop them,get them used to the speed of the league and develop chemistry.Im sure Quinn and Gorton dont have sneaking into the playoffs as a top priority.

 

[mrmovies779]

Did you get that from the same source that said Zucc out benched Kreider?

He did that with 1 arm too

 

[NYR]

I don't even have to guess who this is referring to lol.

I guess that dude thinks in his prime Bo Jackson was incredibly out of shape

Dude, You spend so much time in here taking shots at people that the only thing getting exercise over there is your PC mouse.
Zippit already lol

 

[Webster]

Did you get that from the same source that said Zucc out benched Kreider?

The front office and the head coach made it very clear that the intention is to become competitive asap. Confirmed by Brooksie, they will not put a skeleton team on the ice.

And don't underrate Zucc's strength, remember he dropped a big guy like Hedman

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

The front office and the head coach made it very clear that the intention is to become competitive asap. Confirmed by Brooksie, they will not put a skeleton team on the ice.

And don't underrate Zucc's strength, remember he dropped a big guy like Hedman

Quinn spent a decent portion of his introductory press conference talking about "patience."

Even then, don't listen to what people say, pay attention to what they do. There were no efforts made towards improving the roster this summer. If there was a sentiment towards wanting to be "competitive" they would have done more.

And no matter how much you may want to wish it true, Zucc is not in Kreider's stratosphere in terms of raw strength.

 

[Beer League Sniper]

They got great months out of 3 of those 4 in March which carried them to a .500 record during that month.

What you saw in that month is almost for sure not going to be the norm for either Kreider or Zibanejad.

I get what you're saying, but we were a mess defensively. We had a bunch of new faces after the trade dealine, called up some youngsters, and had them all playing in a moronic man-defense system. Many of those players were coming from teams that don't play that scheme. We were getting run out of the building almost every game. If you look post-trade-deadline, we averaged 4.26 GAA, with many of those games being 5, 6, even 7-goal blowouts.

I expect Quinn to tighten things up defensively. That alone, plus Hank being Hank, is enough for us to win some games. It probably won't be enough for us to make the playoffs, but I still think there's a chance if everything breaks perfectly. I certainly don't expect us to be a bottom-5 team. I'm not going to be bitching if we are, though.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

I get what you're saying, but we were a mess defensively. We had a bunch of new faces after the trade dealine, called up some youngsters, and had them all playing in a moronic man-defense system. Many of those players were coming from teams that don't play that scheme. We were getting run out of the building almost every game. If you look post-trade-deadline, we averaged 4.26 GAA, with many of those games being 5, 6, even 7-goal blowouts.

I expect Quinn to tighten things up defensively. That alone, plus Hank being Hank, is enough for us to win some games. It probably won't be enough for us to make the playoffs, but I still think there's a chance if everything breaks perfectly. I certainly don't expect us to be a bottom-5 team. I'm not going to be *****ing if we are, though.

The defense can't be worse because its literally impossible for it to be, but I don't see how there is going to be an astronomical improvement. We still have Staal who will likely play a top 4 role and the rest of the group is pretty less than stellar. There is some potential for surprises there though (more so than on the offense.)

We were getting run out of the building almost the entire season, it just didn't look that way because of the goalie. He will absolutely steal a few games through out the course of the season, but I wouldn't expect it to be the norm. That shouldn't happen at the rate that it did last year but it will come at the expense of the prime scoring chances that were created because of Senior Asshats' system.

I don't think we have the type of roster to play the way that Quinn wants to play either, but thats an entirely different conversation.

If everything breaks perfectly, and I mean everything (with out being crazy unrealistic) then yeah, they may be a bubble team. That doesn't happen though.

On the flip side, only 1 or 2 things really need to go wrong in order for this to be a bottom 5 or 3 lock.