Speculation: Roster Building Thread Part VIII: Dilly Dilly - Lets Tank!

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If 2 people reporting the same thing isn't enough for you then Google the Maloney interview..

It isn’t two people reporting it. It’s one person reporting about another person reporting about an interview. You don’t even provide a link to the middle man, much less the alleged source. Now I’m supposed to google “Maloney 2017 pre season interview”? How many of those are there? You made a claim. I haven’t seen it written anywhere that Shattenkirk showed up out of shape. Furthermore, it does nothing to the point- that he played injured for the entire season.
 
It isn’t two people reporting it. It’s one person reporting about another person reporting about an interview. You don’t even provide a link to the middle man, much less the alleged source. Now I’m supposed to google “Maloney 2017 pre season interview”? How many of those are there? You made a claim. I haven’t seen it written anywhere that Shattenkirk showed up out of shape. Furthermore, it does nothing to the point- that he played injured for the entire season.

I listened to that interview as well but of course..It's all a conspiracy just to offend you.
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You obviously should want the team to make the playoffs because if that happens that likely means they got significant production from guys like Chytil Andersson Pionk Deangelo and all the young guys they inserted into the lineup. If the team is the worst in the league that likely means the majority of the kids did not have great seasons.
 
You obviously should want the team to make the playoffs because if that happens that likely means they got significant production from guys like Chytil Andersson Pionk Deangelo and all the young guys they inserted into the lineup. If the team is the worst in the league that likely means the majority of the kids did not have great seasons.

The kids could have very successful rookie/sophomore seasons and we can still suck.
 
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You obviously should want the team to make the playoffs because if that happens that likely means they got significant production from guys like Chytil Andersson Pionk Deangelo and all the young guys they inserted into the lineup. If the team is the worst in the league that likely means the majority of the kids did not have great seasons.

I think the expectations for Chytil especially need to be toned down a bit by some people IMO.
Didn't he just turn 19?
While I expect him to be a hell of a player at some point, how many players at that age have ever come in making an immediate impact?
Maybe 50?
And the players in that list are some of the best of all time.
We'll see what happens but I'm not expecting much until I start seeing it with my own eyes..
 
I can accept if the Rangers end up with 75-80 points this season as long as they play hard and compete every game. I lived through the Coyotes tank job in 2014-15 and it was some of the worst hockey I’ve ever seen. The Coyotes sold off all their players and played for a high draft pick. The strategy didn’t work (they went from second to third in the lottery, picked Dylan Strome and you all know how that has worked out), lost hundreds of season ticket holders along the way (including me) and saw interest in the team go through the floor. The franchise has not yet recovered from that season.

Reading some of the comments here makes me believe that many of you don’t know how bad and dispiriting this can become.

There are enough young players coming along in the Rangers system to give me hope. Have another great draft. Move out some salary and make room for 1-2 premium free agents. Then figure out how to make this season the bottom of the curve.
 
good Namestnikov video:



I think if he plays center between 2 speedy playmakers like Spooner and Zucc it could be an excellent 2nd line
 
We honestly don't know what this team will be and I guess the waiting is making people restless.

I'm of the wait and see approach. I've mentioned here many times this team is comparable to the 2010-11 squad in terms of talent. That team had a second line, a fourth line, three that eventually became four D, and a goalie at his peak carrying them to the playoffs. They played for each other and were more than the sum of their parts. This team could easily do that. They have enough talent and if they remain relatively healthy and a few guys have career years, or at least two young guys contribute heavily, you really never know.

The fun part is that it all begins in less than two days with Traverse City.
 
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When I mentioned that teams would be looking for hockey trades around the 20 game mark, Edmonton was one team that I had in mind. Montreal was another. GMs on hot seats that are getting hotter are prime prospects to make trades earlier in the year.

I’d throw Vancouver in there too. It seems like ownership wants a playoff appearance and Benning wants to give it to them to keep his job and Linden left because he disagreed with both parties

I don’t recall all details from your original post but obviously a condition for an early hockey trade would be that these team would struggle mightily out of the gate. Otherwise even if they play at the NHL .500 rate, most of hockey GMs usually see it as glass half full and would be hesitant to pull a trade trigger.
 
I can accept if the Rangers end up with 75-80 points this season as long as they play hard and compete every game. I lived through the Coyotes tank job in 2014-15 and it was some of the worst hockey I’ve ever seen. The Coyotes sold off all their players and played for a high draft pick. The strategy didn’t work (they went from second to third in the lottery, picked Dylan Strome and you all know how that has worked out), lost hundreds of season ticket holders along the way (including me) and saw interest in the team go through the floor. The franchise has not yet recovered from that season.

Reading some of the comments here makes me believe that many of you don’t know how bad and dispiriting this can become.

There are enough young players coming along in the Rangers system to give me hope. Have another great draft. Move out some salary and make room for 1-2 premium free agents. Then figure out how to make this season the bottom of the curve.
I think we'll actually end up pretty similar to last year's Arizona team. That team got off to a brutal start, but were a much better team in the second half of the season. Their poor start still kept them in lottery contention, and they're still trending upwards for this year. I'd be ok with that type of trajectory.
 
I think there's a difference between what you know is best for the team and what you're rooting for at the current point. Long term? Yeah I agree, a bottom 5 finish is probably best case scenario for us especially over 1st round exit. But I'm also not going to start rooting for this team to lose in September to get to that point. I'm a Rangers fan. I'm excited for our prospects and kids. Excited that we have one of, if not the, best player in franchise history in net still. Excited that we have a new coaching staff which should employ a much more exciting and successful system. At the end of the day, I watch this team to be entertained and because I enjoy it. On September 5th 2018, there's nothing enjoyable to me about hoping the team falls to the bottom at the start of the season. I'll let the cards fall where they will until it becomes clear what direction this season is heading. Last January, it was clear where this team was at with it's players and coaching staff relative to the future and playoff picture and at that point I was fine just falling as far as they could. Now? Way too early.

Agree. All indications are that it’s going to be a long, up and down season (mostly down probably) for us, Rangers fans, which would be difficult in itself, so I’m not going to hesitate to put those posters on my ignore list who would COMPLAIN about early (October - December) season WINS because of a lower chances to be in top5 draft lottery.
 
I will still be rooting for them to win just the same. The only difference is I won't get all pissed off when they lose
This is what I'm telling myself, but losing is frustrating all the same. So, I don't really know how I'm going to take it.

I'm 33, so I've been through the dark ages. But, we never went into any of those seasons intending to be as terrible as we were. There was still some kind of fool's hope. This season is definitely uncharted territory for me as a fan.
 
The comparison to 2010-11 just doesn’t work.

That team had prime Hank and Gaborik, who despite his down season still scored at nearly a 30 goal, 60 point pace over 82 games.

But if we’re being real, Hank really dragged that team into the playoffs. Even if they end up being able to match what the skaters gave them in 2010-11, Hank isn’t that Hank anymore.

I love how you keep bringing this up (cause there is no source I guess??)
Now where is your source that it didn't happen?

Ok there is no source that it didn’t happen.

But it didn’t happen.
 
New York Rangers: Brett Howden, C
The Rangers’ rebuild is under way and it’s expected their top prospects like Filip Chytil and Lias Andersson will both make the team and potentially play notable roles right away. Howden is the most interesting one to me, though, given he could go a lot of ways. One of the main pieces they got at the trade deadline last season, Howden doesn’t have a ton of flash in his game, but he’s produced well at various levels and coaches tend to like him a lot. He may not be NHL ready yet, but the question I have on him given his advanced two-way play is how close is he.

Pronman: Most intriguing prospect to watch at camp for every...

Howden put the work in this summer living and training in Connecticut with Prentiss.

His limited AHL time was very productive too.

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I can accept if the Rangers end up with 75-80 points this season as long as they play hard and compete every game. I lived through the Coyotes tank job in 2014-15 and it was some of the worst hockey I’ve ever seen. The Coyotes sold off all their players and played for a high draft pick. The strategy didn’t work (they went from second to third in the lottery, picked Dylan Strome and you all know how that has worked out), lost hundreds of season ticket holders along the way (including me) and saw interest in the team go through the floor. The franchise has not yet recovered from that season.

Reading some of the comments here makes me believe that many of you don’t know how bad and dispiriting this can become.

There are enough young players coming along in the Rangers system to give me hope. Have another great draft. Move out some salary and make room for 1-2 premium free agents. Then figure out how to make this season the bottom of the curve.

One thing the Rangers will never have to worry about is fans losing interest. And as far as being disheartening, how many times have the Rangers been in the mix for playoffs or more. The Coyotes haven’t been in the mix for anything but a lottery pick for the majority of the franchises history. I don’t think you can compare the coyotes who are having just another par for the course bad season to the Rangers who have for years been active and in the playoffs year after year, as well as being completely transparent about their actions in attempting to build a winning squad.
 
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I can accept if the Rangers end up with 75-80 points this season as long as they play hard and compete every game. I lived through the Coyotes tank job in 2014-15 and it was some of the worst hockey I’ve ever seen. The Coyotes sold off all their players and played for a high draft pick. The strategy didn’t work (they went from second to third in the lottery, picked Dylan Strome and you all know how that has worked out), lost hundreds of season ticket holders along the way (including me) and saw interest in the team go through the floor. The franchise has not yet recovered from that season.

Reading some of the comments here makes me believe that many of you don’t know how bad and dispiriting this can become.

There are enough young players coming along in the Rangers system to give me hope. Have another great draft. Move out some salary and make room for 1-2 premium free agents. Then figure out how to make this season the bottom of the curve.

I agree--those who completely want to gut the team are assuming pretty much that a couple, 3, 4 years of very early 1st rounders is all we need to turn ourselves into a contender again. There are other assumptions such as New York being a favored destination for free agents--yeah the Rangers kind of are or have been but if the team isn't competitive you're not going to get the best free agents.

The Rangers do still have something of a foundation together--Lundqvist, Shattenkirk, Skjei, Kreider, Zibanejad, Zuccarello, Hayes, Stall, Fast etc. IMO it wouldn't be altogether wise moving all of these parts until some of the new guys actually show they can do the job. Even guys like Buchnevich, Vesey and Skjei will need to show they can carry more of the load. The Rangers don't want to flounder for very long--if not competing for a playoff spot this year---they'll want to be competing to get back in in 19-20.
 
I love how you keep bringing this up (cause there is no source I guess??)
Now where is your source that it didn't happen?

He just can't handle that Zucc benched more than Kreider.

In his mind Zucc is weak little old man who's almost going to die from exhaustion if he plays another game, when the reality is he's never been in better shape. Eight years of training at this level shows. He's always full of energy on the ice, and this won't change.
 
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Anyone care to post their lines?

Personally I think Zucc should be on the top line RW and I’d bump Buch down to the 2nd line.
I think Zucc is better suited for the 1st and plays better on the defensive side of the ice.
It will also take a little pressure off of Buch and give him a little more space to do his thing..

Also, I think I’d rather see LA on the 4th line as opposed to the AHL.
4th lines are playing a much more important role on balanced teams these days and he can always move up or go down depending on what his play is warrants.


Kreider, Zibanejad, Zuccarello

Namestnikov, Hayes, Buchnevich

Spooner, Chytil, Fast

Vesey, Andersson, Lettieri/ Lindqvist


I can’t even wrap my head around what this D is going to look like right now but assuming Smith makes it opening night, there is zero reason to dress McLeod.

Skjei, Staal, Lindgren Smith can all PK.

Skjei – Shattenkirk
Staal - ADA/Pionk
Lindgren – Smith/Hajek
 
Nurse is going to hold out from Oilers camp until he's signed. Hope Gorton is monitoring that one.

Another lefty but he can play the right side, only 23.
 
Nurse is going to hold out from Oilers camp until he's signed. Hope Gorton is monitoring that one.

Another lefty but he can play the right side, only 23.

Doesn't mean anything. Every year there are non-arbitration eligible RFAs that don't sign until just before camp or a few days into camp.
 
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