Speculation: Roster Building Thread Part VIII: Dilly Dilly - Lets Tank!

[Amazing Kreiderman]

It could matter for the expansion draft. Hopefully it won’t matter if it’s in 2020, but if it’s in 2021, Andersson will have to be protected no matter what happens this year.

If they use the same expansion rules, sure. But there's no difference if he plays in the AHL or NHL regarding the accrued status. It is what it is. I still hope both contracts slide another year. I just don't see any justification to play them in the NHL during a rebuilding year.

 

[Tawnos]

If they use the same expansion rules, sure. But there's no difference if he plays in the AHL or NHL regarding the accrued status. It is what it is. I still hope both contracts slide another year. I just don't see any justification to play them in the NHL during a rebuilding year.

They’re using the same expansion rules.

Contract status shouldn’t be a factor in where these guys play this year. At all.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

They’re using the same expansion rules.

Contract status shouldn’t be a factor in where these guys play this year. At all.

The only reason I'd play them in the NHL is if they are clearly NHL ready. I just don't think an almost 19-year old Chytil and almost 20-year old Andersson are ready to play in the NHL full-time. Chytil had a good season in the AHL, but it's not like he was dominating in Hartford. The same goes for Andersson. I don't see either of them outplaying Zibanejad, Hayes, Namestnikov or Spooner for the center positions.

 

[Tawnos]

The only reason I'd play them in the NHL is if they are clearly NHL ready. I just don't think an almost 19-year old Chytil and almost 20-year old Andersson are ready to play in the NHL full-time. Chytil had a good season in the AHL, but it's not like he was dominating in Hartford. The same goes for Andersson. I don't see either of them outplaying Zibanejad, Hayes, Namestnikov or Spooner for the center positions.

Ignoring any possibility of injuries, I agree. But contract really has nothing to do with that.

Of course, there will be injuries. I’ll be very surprised if neither of them get 40 games in.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Ignoring any possibility of injuries, I agree. But contract really has nothing to do with that.

Of course, there will be injuries. I’ll be very surprised if neither of them get 40 games in.

PS: If Andersson is in the AHL for the majority of the season, it doesn't count as an accrued season, because he's 19 at the start of the season.

Seasons in the AHL only count as accrued seasons if the player was 20 years or older at the start of the season. Only if he's on the Rangers active roster for 40 games, as a 19-year old, it counts as an accrued season.

 

[Tawnos]

PS: If Andersson is in the AHL for the majority of the season, it doesn't count as an accrued season, because he's 19 at the start of the season.

Seasons in the AHL only count as accrued seasons if the player was 20 years or older at the start of the season. Only if he's on the Rangers active roster for 40 games, as a 19-year old, it counts as an accrued season.

His actual age at the “beginning of the season” doesn’t matter. A player is in his 20-year old season if he turns 20 before December 31 and after September 15. For the purposes of the CBA, Andersson is 20.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

His actual age at the “beginning of the season” doesn’t matter. A player is in his 20-year old season if he turns 20 before December 31 and after September 15. For the purposes of the CBA, Andersson is 20.

f*** the CBA. Seriously. It's so confusing. I think you're right. Using Rychel as a comparison:

2013-14: Entry-level slide, no accrued season. Turns 19 before Dec 31st
2014-15: Entry-level slide, accrued season. Turns 20 before Dec 31st
2015-16: 2nd accrued season
2016-17: 3rd accrued season

He was not exempt from the expansion draft.

 

[Tawnos]

**** the CBA. Seriously. It's so confusing. I think you're right. Using Rychel as a comparison:

2013-14: Entry-level slide, no accrued season. Turns 19 before Dec 31st
2014-15: Entry-level slide, accrued season. Turns 20 before Dec 31st
2015-16: 2nd accrued season
2016-17: 3rd accrued season

He was not exempt from the expansion draft.

Like I said, yay confusingness.

Although you and I have already had this conversation with the same conclusion.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Like I said, yay confusingness.

Although you and I have already had this conversation with the same conclusion.

I seem to remember having this conversation before haha. Maybe this time we will remember.

So... Both in the AHL means:

Chytil: ELC slide, no accrued season
Lias: ELC slide, accrued season

The only way we can "save" Lias, it seems, from the expansion draft is to loan him to a team in Europe

 

[Tawnos]

I seem to remember having this conversation before haha. Maybe this time we will remember.

So... Both in the AHL means:

Chytil: ELC slide, no accrued season
Lias: ELC slide, accrued season

The only way we can "save" Lias, it seems, from the expansion draft is to loan him to a team in Europe

Right. Well again that’s if it’s in 2021. If it’s in 2020, then Andersson will only have just accrued his 2nd season and will be exempt.

Then again, if Chytil plays more than 10 NHL games this year, he’s in the same boat regarding expansion. Exempt in ‘20, requires protection in ‘21. Seems likely.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Right. Well again that’s if it’s in 2021. If it’s in 2020, then Andersson will only have just accrued his 2nd season and will be exempt.

Then again, if Chytil plays more than 10 NHL games this year, he’s in the same boat regarding expansion. Exempt in ‘20, requires protection in ‘21. Seems likely.

Chytil only hits an accrued season if he's on the team for more than 40 games.

Accrued season = On the roster for 40 games
ELC burn = Playing 10 NHL games

If Chytil plays 10 games, but is only on the team for 39 games, he will be exempt in a potential 2021 expansion draft.

 

[Tawnos]

Chytil only hits an accrued season if he's on the team for more than 40 games.

Accrued season = On the roster for 40 games
ELC burn = Playing 10 NHL games

If Chytil plays 10 games, but is only on the team for 39 games, he will be exempt in a potential 2021 expansion draft.

Nope

a Player aged 18 or 19 earns a year of professional experience by playing ten (10) or more NHL Games in a given NHL Season, and a Player aged 20 or older (or who turns 20 between September 16 and December 31 of the year in which he signs his first SPC) earns a year of professional experience by playing ten (10) or more Professional Games under an SPC in a given League Year.

10 NHL games means a year of pro experience.

 

[bobbop]

Not like we've got a glut of players that have to be protected.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Nope



10 NHL games means a year of pro experience.

That's it. I'm done. It's 1:30 AM here. I need to get some sleep. I am mixing up my shit haha. Thanks Tawnos. Great convo haha. In the end, we will find out how the CBA works. I will re-read this in the morning

 

[Tawnos]

Not like we've got a glut of players that have to be protected.

Well that’s certainly true. And another reason why these things really don’t need to be taken into account when deciding where players go this year.

 

[UAGoalieGuy]

Do we even know when or if there will be an expansion draft?

 

[Tawnos]

Do we even know when or if there will be an expansion draft?

There will be. It’s really just a matter of timing at this point. We could see Seattle approved as early as December, but it isn’t going to happen until there’s final approval and a ground breaking date on the arena renovations. The timing of that will determine if the arena will be ready for 20-21 or 21-22.

 

[Konamic Ice Hockey]

There will be. It’s really just a matter of timing at this point. We could see Seattle approved as early as December, but it isn’t going to happen until there’s final approval and a ground breaking date on the arena renovations. The timing of that will determine if the arena will be ready for 20-21 or 21-22.

Start of construction is planed for late October/November of this year.
Latest I read was that a big announcement(hinted at logo/jerseys and team name) will be made in the spring. The office for OVG has "NHL 2020" as the logo so...
The nhl has not made it official as far as I know but Jerry Bruckheimer seems to be under the impression it is a done deal(he is trying to secure land for the practice facility). Who knows maybe he is keeping it under wraps so it will be one big announcement with a logo and name at the same time as confirming the expansion.
I would bet on 2020 but with construction the way it is in Seattle(severally undermanned) I can see it taking longer. Plus the project is not a new build but a reno of Key arena, always more issues with those.
Also they said if Key has setbacks they will play at the Tacoma Dome until Key is finished and TD is being renovated right now.

 

[Tawnos]

Start of construction is planed for late October/November of this year.
Latest I read was that a big announcement(hinted at logo/jerseys and team name) will be made in the spring. The office for OVG has "NHL 2020" as the logo so...
The nhl has not made it official as far as I know but Jerry Bruckheimer seems to be under the impression it is a done deal(he is trying to secure land for the practice facility). Who knows maybe he is keeping it under wraps so it will be one big announcement with a logo and name at the same time as confirming the expansion.
I would bet on 2020 but with construction the way it is in Seattle(severally undermanned) I can see it taking longer. Plus the project is not a new build but a reno of Key arena, always more issues with those.
Also they said if Key has setbacks they will play at the Tacoma Dome until Key is finished and it is being renovated right mow.

They’re going to install an ice plant in Tacoma? I missed that somewhere in there.

Also, everything in Phoenix should tell us to be a little cautious about timetables. I’m very confident too, but until it begins I’m not 100%. Seattle isn’t always known for smooth major projects. Hell, several are on hold right now due to a crane workers strike. It’s more of a matter of which year than it is a matter of if.

 

[bobbop]

Start of construction is planed for late October/November of this year.
Latest I read was that a big announcement(hinted at logo/jerseys and team name) will be made in the spring. The office for OVG has "NHL 2020" as the logo so...
The nhl has not made it official as far as I know but Jerry Bruckheimer seems to be under the impression it is a done deal(he is trying to secure land for the practice facility). Who knows maybe he is keeping it under wraps so it will be one big announcement with a logo and name at the same time as confirming the expansion.
I would bet on 2020 but with construction the way it is in Seattle(severally undermanned) I can see it taking longer. Plus the project is not a new build but a reno of Key arena, always more issues with those.
Also they said if Key has setbacks they will play at the Tacoma Dome until Key is finished and TD is being renovated right now.

Key Arena is a very interesting construction puzzle. There's a pretty good video on the Seattle NHL site that shows the plan. The biggest issue is that they have to preserve the (iconic -- their words, not mine) roof of the building. everything else will be gutted. This is also the second time that the inside of the building will have been gutted but this is a far more extensive renovation.

The Tacoma Dome is a dump. It's also a long drive (25-30 miles) from where the money is in Seattle, especially during rush hour. Traffic there is brutal.

 

[Konamic Ice Hockey]

They’re going to install an ice plant in Tacoma? I missed that somewhere in there.

Also, everything in Phoenix should tell us to be a little cautious about timetables. I’m very confident too, but until it begins I’m not 100%. Seattle isn’t always known for smooth major projects. Hell, several are on hold right now due to a crane workers strike. It’s more of a matter of which year than it is a matter of if.

They have the ability(WHL Tacoma Rockets), it has been a long time since they needed it(mid 90s). Showare center gets the ice shows and hockey(Thunderbirds) now but back in the day TD had hockey and ice capades.
When it comes to major construction Seattle is like any other major city, you never know how it will go until the project begins(the tunnel has been a mess but that is what happens when you hire the same company that did the "big dig" in Boston). For the purpose of the NYR and an expansion draft I would stick with the 2020 season. They seem to be pushing that pretty heavy.

Key Arena is a very interesting construction puzzle. There's a pretty good video on the Seattle NHL site that shows the plan. The biggest issue is that they have to preserve the (iconic -- their words, not mine) roof of the building. everything else will be gutted. This is also the second time that the inside of the building will have been gutted but this is a far more extensive renovation.

The Tacoma Dome is a dump. It's also a long drive (25-30 miles) from where the money is in Seattle, especially during rush hour. Traffic there is brutal.

Yea it will be, keep the roof but remove everything else and dig down a couple stories more than what it is right now.
Yea TD is a dump to say the least(up there with the Cow Palace). It is being renovated so we will see how that ends up but I think it will be much better. Also it is supposed to be a half season if they need it, arena, not a semi permeant solution.

 

[Mikos87]

What’s the Winnipeg template? Draft good players?

Size. Speed. Skill. Character. A little nasty with a lot of swagger. They go for RH shots, favor their NA scouts in the mid-west, and west. Got a few gems from Finland recently. Are not shy about swinging for guys that are a defined 3-4 seasons away. They draft for roles... guys with size that can fit into a particular slot... and athletically develop.

Scheifele was a riser, passed on Hamilton.
Passed on Forsberg for Trouba.
Took a no-frills player in Morrisey over a series of busts in the making.

Started going the speed and skill route while still taking their bread and butter type of guys.

But beyond that, they track their picks well. Spoke with a NHL exec that really liked Foley, who they traded in the Stastny deal. Was told WPG keeps close tabs on their prospects, their rankings are their own, they don't really buy into a concensus, and will dismiss geos that their scouts aren't hot about in a season. They want players who fit the organizations identity.

 

[Mikos87]

Key Arena is a very interesting construction puzzle. There's a pretty good video on the Seattle NHL site that shows the plan. The biggest issue is that they have to preserve the (iconic -- their words, not mine) roof of the building. everything else will be gutted. This is also the second time that the inside of the building will have been gutted but this is a far more extensive renovation.

The Tacoma Dome is a dump. It's also a long drive (25-30 miles) from where the money is in Seattle, especially during rush hour. Traffic there is brutal.

It's an interesting city, lots of money... I mean lots of money there... corporate sponsors, loyal fan base (see the MLS team)... but they are still paying for past mistakes. Investors are leery of the capital required for an expansion and an arena, it's very cost prohibitive to have to dish out for both.

The team is a given, but the NHL will not go in another city where the arena is not down town. Of all of the teams that hemorrhage money.... the ones that show up year in and year out... are teams that did not have a downtown arena. The inconvenience costs hundreds of seats a game. There's really no recovery from this other than a new arena or relocation.

There are a couple of hundred million in cumulative losses from those teams across the past decade. It's not a good situation.

 

[Lone Ranger]

Who said Russians are soft?

"If you drink a bottle of vodka before each period, a puck to the face feels like a kiss from a supermodel." Alex Ovechkin

 

[Ori]

We don`t have a JT on our first line so something to consider - normally we have (*2) 2nd lines + a 3rd line, and our current 1st line need to play 1st line role which they should never been in the first place. And we lack top elite prospects the last 20 years, and we did not hit with many of our prospects since (2001-2018) period in NY. So about the new direction `rebuild` - I hope all understand, because it was necessary to build a team who can compete for a Stanley cup and win the cup. So I understand Jeff Gorton that he moved Ryan Mc. to get some value back since he is 29 now, and we need top talented defenders who are similar age like our current newly drafted players last year and in 2018 summer draft.