Speculation: Roster Building Thread Part VIII: Dilly Dilly - Lets Tank!

[Amazing Kreiderman]

I find it a little strange that your opinion of an entire draft is swayed by a team’s 4th pick. No matter if the 3 picks before it were good and the 5th pick is showing glimmers of a steal, that 4th pick is of the most importance.

Not just that, but people act as if there were some sure-fire top-6 players available. Let's take a look at the players drafted after Lindbom:

Ryan McLeod
Bode Wilde
Jack Drury
Ruslan Iskhakov
Albin Eriksson
Scott Perunovich
Martin Fehervary
Kody Clark
Jonathan Tychonick
Kirill Marchenko

Marchenko, Fehervary, Drury and MAYBE Wilde would have been a nice pick but people act as if we passed up on some star potential.

I did not like the Lindbom pick because I feel we have bigger needs than goalie in the 2nd round, but the outrage is really reaching levels that are unwarranted.

 

[Mac n Gs]

The thing about Boston though is they're kinda carried by 1 line...
Sure you've got the 22 year ild pasternak..but the 33 year old bergeron and the 30 year old marchand are huge parts of that line . Is bergeron gonna be super effective 2...3 years from now? Maybe...maybe not. Marchand should be for at least 2 more years..but after that the clocks a ticking... Is boston really that good aside from a select few players? They've got mcavoy and Krug but how's the rest of their young d? Not sure. I really do wonder if Boston has a tiny mini window here of like 3 seasons...last , this and next and then they'll fall off again. I guess we'll see.

Boston's farm is loaded with young talent that they'll be steadily integrating over the next few seasons. They're the main reason they stayed so successful last season when they were battling so many injuries. We'll start hearing more readily about kids like Debrusk, Donato, JFK, Bjork, etc. in the upcoming years. Their most immediate need will be strength down the middle, but they'll have a couple of seasons to sort that out.

 

[aufheben]

What’s the Winnipeg template? Draft good players?

 

[Ghost of jas]

I find it a little strange that your opinion of an entire draft is swayed by a team’s 4th pick. No matter if the 3 picks before it were good and the 5th pick is showing glimmers of a steal, that 4th pick is of the most importance.

Exactly. While I remain disappointed by the selection of Lindbolm, just about every other selection is showing great promise, including the two later forwards selected. And, Kravtsov is showing elite-level potential.

 

[silverfish]

The problem with the Lindbom pick isn't Lindbom, it's that he's a goalie. You don't draft a goalie that high. That's drafting 101.

 

[Tawnos]

What’s the Winnipeg template? Draft good players?

And then stall out until you finally get a good goalie.

 

[UnSandvich]

He's been connected to the Rangers earlier in the offseason. 40 pts last season in the KHL (which equates to 52.1 via Emmanuel Perry's NHLe model)

 

[Mac n Gs]

Maybe retaining Mikhail Pashnin's rights was a smart long-term move by Slats and Gorton?

 

[nyr2k2]

He's been connected to the Rangers earlier in the offseason. 40 pts last season in the KHL (which equates to 52.1 via Emmanuel Perry's NHLe model)

Man that's kind of astounding that they just let him go all together.

Also, his 40 points came in only 47 games.

 

[UnSandvich]

Man that's kind of astounding that they just let him go all together.

Also, his 40 points came in only 47 games.

Yeah, I'm kinda surprised too, but from what I can remember, he was one of the higher paid guys on the team already, and a lot of other KHL teams wouldn't be able to afford the contract he wanted (I could be totally wrong, of course)

 

[TheTakedown]

As always, people are ignoring the obvious, and that is when Kevin Hayes gets ice time, he's going to produce. Situational ice time is important. This guy got less PP time last season than Desharnais. Is Quinn going to keep Hayes off the PP? Probably not. We don't have the bodies ahead of him that we had last year, and more importantly, we don't have AV. Second on the team last year in 5v5 p60 (behind Spooner), and 11th on the team among forwards in PP TOI.

So when this guy is popping off points at the beginning of the year and all the taeks are "Wow, 'lazy' Hayes comes to play in a contract year and not before? This guy is selfish and totally screwing over the Rangers." maybe don't post that, and realize that he's probably just on the ice more than he's ever been, and producing at the rates he always has

This is assuming his production increases with the increased ice time (which, I agree it will). NYR hasn't seen this yet, and AV left a bad mark on some of these guys, so it's my belief that the rangers want to leverage that last year of control to see if he is worth extending.

 

[EpicDing]

Shumakov is a right handed shot RW. Grotons pls

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Hes a free asset so why not but where would he slot in?

 

[silverfish]

This is assuming his production increases with the increased ice time (which, I agree it will). NYR hasn't seen this yet, and AV left a bad mark on some of these guys, so it's my belief that the rangers want to leverage that last year of control to see if he is worth extending.

Production doesn't need to increase, it needs to stay at the same or a similar rate, and increase in TOI/GP.

 

[EpicDing]

Hes a free asset so why not but where would he slot in?

3RW behind Buch and Zucc?

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

3RW behind Buch and Zucc?

What are we doing with Spooner and Namesnikov?

 

[Fitzy]

A lot of the lineup projections have to this point been sliding a LW to RW so that Fast wasn't on the third line. Shumakov fills out the right wing spot.

The Perry model sucks, for a variety of reasons.

 

[mrmovies779]

What are we doing with Spooner and Namesnikov?

Siberia perhaps?

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

A lot of the lineup projections have to this point been sliding a LW to RW so that Fast wasn't on the third line. Shumakov fills out the right wing spot.

The Perry model sucks, for a variety of reasons.

It was pretty good last year as far as predictive models go.

It only sucks if you take it as the gospel.

 

[kovazub94]

Man that's kind of astounding that they just let him go all together.

Also, his 40 points came in only 47 games.

Yeah, I'm kinda surprised too, but from what I can remember, he was one of the higher paid guys on the team already, and a lot of other KHL teams wouldn't be able to afford the contract he wanted (I could be totally wrong, of course)

CSKA paid a significant sum last year to get Shumakov from Sibir HC, and then got him signed to a multi-year deal that not even a handful teams in the K could afford (SKA, Salavat, Ak Bars). Shumakov is a valuable asset over there and so the asking price based on reports was ridiculous (Gusev, either V. Tkachev) and these teams obviously refused to pay. Should CSKA asked for a lower return? They made at least one or two questionable asset moves this offseason so there’s that.

 

[kovazub94]

Shumakov is a right handed shot RW. Grotons pls

The Rangers were mentioned a few weeks ago and I just saw a post that mentioned Washington which might be true or simply due to Ovechkin, Kuznetsov, Orlov effect.

My dark horse could Stars with Radulov (former CSKA), Nichushkin (former CSKA and a teammate who just came over to rejoin Dallas).

 

[bobbop]

The problem with the Lindbom pick isn't Lindbom, it's that he's a goalie. You don't draft a goalie that high. That's drafting 101.

While I share the general conference about picking a goaltender this high, I am withholding judgement until a) I know more about the player and b) I see how the goaltending situation evolves. Methinks the Rangers may know more than we do about the potential availability of certain players.

 

[silverfish]

While I share the general conference about picking a goaltender this high, I am withholding judgement until a) I know more about the player and b) I see how the goaltending situation evolves. Methinks the Rangers may know more than we do about the potential availability of certain players.

Not certain I'd draw a line between taking a goalie at 39OA and potential player availability down the line. These two things seem... unrelated? Perhaps I'm missing something.

 

[bobbop]

Not certain I'd draw a line between taking a goalie at 39OA and potential player availability down the line. These two things seem... unrelated? Perhaps I'm missing something.

What if they are not confident that a) Sherstykin will sign or b) that he is as good as everyone thinks? And long term, they are not sure about Georgiev or Huska?

Rule #1 in management is that you should know your own players/assets better than everyone else.

 

[silverfish]

What if they are not confident that a) Sherstykin will sign or b) that he is as good as everyone thinks? And long term, they are not sure about Georgiev or Huska?

Rule #1 in management is that you should know your own players/assets better than everyone else.

So they drafted a goalie at 39OA who's years upon years away, if he ever makes it, just in case? There are other, more efficient ways, to add organizational depth, that don't include reaching on a goalie at the expense of leaving other skaters on the board.

You're saying that not only did they go for organizational need at 39OA, instead of best skater available, but that organizational need that they filled was goalie and you're okay with it?

I think we'll have to agree to disagree, Bob.