Roster Building Thread - Part VIII (2023-24 season)

[IDvsEGO]

I would love to see Othmann get a look. I know we need to fill the 3rd line center spot, but it could still push guys down the line and improve depth.

the team has no plans on moving him up. Which is the right call. Maybe a 9 game cup of coffee, but nothing to keep a job.

 

[huerter]

I would love to see Othmann get a look. I know we need to fill the 3rd line center spot, but it could still push guys down the line and improve depth.

Can you explain the rationale in a non-NHLer pushing guys down the line? Not that I number lines.

 

[effen]

Would Columbus have interest in trading their captain Boone Jenner? Couple more years after this one at 3.75 mill. There’s your middle 6 forward that plays with skill and grit and you’d have 3 runs with him. Kakko + for Jenner? JD drafted him. Adds another young player to their rebuild. Gives Kakko a fellow Finn. A Jenner-Cuylle combo would be a giant pain to play against in a playoff series.

I think 25 teams would be interested in Jenner and 15 would give up more than Kakko.

 

[Paulie Walnutz]

I think 25 teams would be interested in Jenner and 15 would give up more than Kakko.

Alright so you see what it costs. It’s better than the same repeated posts on here for Tarasenko and Vatrano.

 

[bernmeister]

Yeah not good. There’s a possibility he gets shut down for the year. We’ll deseparately need a 3C for TDL along with a depth D. Maybe Granlund with retention makes sense. He’s signed through next year which allows us to move Chytil to RW long term. Assuming Chytil is out I would do Granlund 50% retained, a depth D like Stetcher or Desimone and maybe try to fit in Trenin to hedge Wheeler/Kakko/injuries. I would still find a way to do Lindgren + for Hanifan. We have to assume the other contenders will be ramping up as well. My concern is that we get left behind on TDL with a conservative approach.

CK MZ BW
AP VT AL
WC Granlund KK
JV BG Trenin
(Bonino, Pitlick)

Hanifan Fox
KAM JT
Gus BS
(jones Desimone)

I know there’s 24 rostered here. We’d have to do a little roster gymnastics, nothing like last year.

Making moves in desperation mode is a recipe for disaster, 99 times outta 100.
To extent possible, bern advises, never let a problem control you.
You control it.
Of course that often means doing homework and other shit beforehand.
Lindgren/(+) for Hani is not happening.
Yes, be open minded, yes be prepared if opportunity knocks.
But be real.

We are in the mix of half dozen-ish # who legit challenge for the cup.
Only so much can be done to up our odds, esp short term; and remember, even then, cannot control luck/injuries.

Our best bet is to exploit Oil super constrictive straightjacket posture where they are desp for cap flexibility, especially STRUCTURAL cap flexibility.

To that end, a complicated package of lesser deals is needed [hope to finalize/post b'f New Year's], the gist of which is Oil pay us to:
1. take Nurse at half
2. give Lindgren as a stopgap

Several other pieces involved, benefit to Rs, but core of that is
we move Goodrow, Bonino + Jones [Lavoie + Broberg, both cap flexible to be sent down if nec] coming to NY.

That would leave us w/Nurse long term at a little over 4 per.
We eat 1-ish per and he is then a moveable, if not attractive, 3-ish per.

I consider that a prudent risk, as in the short term if we are stuck w/Nurse at a shade over 4 per we can live/work with that.

I expect at 3-ish, we can send to OTT [who have to forfeit a 1st over next 3 years + need to consider all options] and overpay
Nurse + LaF + Gabe P [+]
for
Sanderson + Pinto + Grieg [+]
something like that

WE MUST GET AWAY FROM GIVING AWAY 1STS FOR RENTALS, NEED TO TRY HARD FOR STRATEGIC ACQUISTIONS W/LONGER TERM BENEFIT, ESP FOUNDATION PIECES

Wheeler had some success at C and can’t be slower than Bonino. Why not slot him at 3C with Cuylle and maybe Kakko. Stay in the market for a 1RW, which as a rental should cost less than a good C.

Given Chyi is out at least for the time being, this internal solution makes lots of sense and should be tried out asap.
Would be open to experimenting if anything else works better, but
ding ding ding ding ding this makes sense.

I don’t know why you’d say that NOW? He’s been skating on his own for awhile which is pretty good sign for the concussion protocol. What we need to keep in mind is that prior to this recent return to l skating he’d be completely withheld from any type of physical activity. It’s essentially like going back to the start of the beginning of the offseason preparation… which he did in Czechia. Then my initial timeline for his return would be between ASG and TDL which would allow Drury time to know if his LTIR can be used or to improve the team or not.

I am also hopefully optimistic Jim Morrison {The Doors} was wrong when he sang "this is the end".
If 1OA Ekblad can return from also multiple, really severe stuff I think we can be reservedly postive here and not write Chytil off immediately.

If Chytil is out for the year (and it is trending that way, even if he may be a playoff add) then getting Lindholm makes more and more sense.

1st + Mc-Barker?
Sykora + conditional 2nd (becomes 1st if Rangers make ECF)?

1. Lindholm would have to be considered a pure rental. Per main trade board, he turned down 9 per 8 yrs max from CGY. Ok, he takes similar, maybe somewhat less to go elsewhere, but no team friendly deal 5-6m per.

2. I would consider a rental for proper currency I could live with
BUT ...

3. ... even as a rental, competitive bidding will up the return.

Let it go as for as Lindholm is concerned.

If they are thinking about giving up a first, they need to just bite the bullet and give up another first and change and go get a 23 year old stud.

NO NO NO
correct posture here is to fully rebuff the idiocy of win now, which 99+ percent of the time does not work in any sport.
No on paying in the wrong currency which = too much.

We have internal options which we will have to accept to maintain a reduced now, but which do not cut our throats long term, and shorten our window.

ive got no interest in moving Sykora or BMB.

I am open to seeing the return
but pref not for a rental, esp one we are not extending

We desp need legit righty RD depth
Ducks drafted Helleson, a huge righty RD
supposedly they have ample d prospects.

Sykora + BMB + turd cap dumps Leshitshow +
for
Helleson + Vatrano

Chytil will need to be replaced. He is not durable enough to be relied upon in a serious manner as a center. As a wing, fine. But center is too important and he just can't stay in the lineup.

Lindholm is good, but he's 29 already. What's his next contract? 7 years at 7 per? Maybe 6.5. No way. Takes him to 37. If we make a move, make one for someone that can be here for term, not 4 months for zero impact and expensive to get. Pass

The Blue Jackets have 2 good candidates. Roslovic and Texier. Look in that mold. Don't trade the 1st. We will need it to draft a center.

Concur with this. Kudos + applause

I love the idea of roslovic, but I don’t know how much he moves the needle

If I’m the rangers I keep fil on ltir for the remainder of the year and target a younger player…hell id offer 2 firsts and prospect for zegras right now and see what the ducks say

Although ANA has Carlson + Tavish + 'nother good pivot emerging, they are not gonna give up Z sooner than they have to UNLESS
there is a signif profit on the table.

If we view Z as a foundation piece level add,
then that is a discussion we should have.
Whether or not to pull the trigger there is not level of overpayment to be required, but in what currency must it be, and there is an intersect between what they will settle for and what we can live with.

Would Columbus have interest in trading their captain Boone Jenner? Couple more years after this one at 3.75 mill. There’s your middle 6 forward that plays with skill and grit and you’d have 3 runs with him. Kakko + for Jenner? JD drafted him. Adds another young player to their rebuild. Gives Kakko a fellow Finn. A Jenner-Cuylle combo would be a giant pain to play against in a playoff series.

1. Have loved Jen for years.
2. No, want to add him to KK, not surrender KK for him.
3. It is likely moot b'c like 30 teams bid for BJ, upping price.

 

[PuckLuck3043]

I keep reading on this board that Chytil is done for the year. Only the Rangers know the details and when/if he will be coming back this year. Nobody here knows a damn thing so stop making shit up.

 

[Leetch3]

I keep reading on this board that Chytil is done for the year. Only the Rangers know the details and when/if he will be coming back this year. Nobody here knows a damn thing so stop making shit up.

the rangers have no idea either. that's the problem with concussions. no one knows how long it might be. THAT is why the rangers need to approach the deadline under the assumption that he won't be back and try to fill that void. if you are wrong and he ends up coming back that is a bonus and you are now stuck with the 'problem' of having extra depth. which is a hell of a lot better than just sitting around hoping he'll be back and then being left with a big hole if he doesn't.

 

[PuckLuck3043]

the rangers have no idea either. that's the problem with concussions. no one knows how long it might be. THAT is why the rangers need to approach the deadline under the assumption that he won't be back and try to fill that void. if you are wrong and he ends up coming back that is a bonus and you are now stuck with the 'problem' of having extra depth. which is a hell of a lot better than just sitting around hoping he'll be back and then being left with a big hole if he doesn't.

But we don't know what they know and what doctors are telling them. We don't know how he is responding to physical activity and what the timeline is. He's been out 2 months. They may believe he will be able to return in a month. We just don't know the info they have. That's my point. They are very cautious with injuries and give out zero info. I'm pretty sure they will make the necessary moves as the deadline approaches if they don't think he will return. I don't think Drury will go into playoffs with current center depth.

 

[GENESISPuck94]

Can you explain the rationale in a non-NHLer pushing guys down the line? Not that I number lines.

That's what the AHL is for. When a player makes a case for themselves at that level and the NHL club has a need. Brodzinski isn't really an NHL player, he's a AAAA player that can fill in a pinch but its not sustainable. Bonino isn't exactly the ideal 3rd line center. Pitlick isn't the most ideal. None of them are hurting the team but they can and should be uograded before the playoffs.

Numbering lines might be semantics, but there's a clear divide from the top 2 lines and the bottom 2 lines, and if there weren't 2 of the 3 players from that 3rd line out with injuries there'd be a defined difference in roles between the 3rd and 4th lines. The 3rd line would be used as another scoring line and the 4th line would be the match up line as it's been used as. We know this because that's what was happening before Kakko and Chytil both got injured.

As it stands now the 3rd line is redundant and not productive enough. That will be an issue come playoffs if the issue isn't addressed but I'm sure it will be.

Othmann will need to get a look sooner or later. You don't like giving young cheap players a shot, I get it, but successful teams that sustain that success over long periods of time figure out how to do it. The evidence is overwhelming. Being able to fill holes from within and cheaply, allows you to allocate money where it's needed when guys need raises. Young players also tend not to break down as much as the season gets deeper. Freak injuries not withstanding. Othmann could be a solution for that line but we won't know until he's given that opportunity. Look at Cyulle. He's been effective and unless his game to game involvement dips dramatically he's looking like a staple on the 3rd line for the long term. Othmann could prove the same, he brings that same element of being able to muck it up and go to the dirty areas that's effective in the playoffs, but he also has more offensive upside, and correct me if I'm wrong but he's also a little more of a high-volume shooter than Cyulle (I'm not pitting Cyulle and Othmann against each there, I'm using Cyulle as a baseline) and shot generation is something we would probably like more of 5v5.

Like I've mentioned though, if it's not Othmann, I'm sure they'll figure out a solution. But remember that the cap is an issue so options may be somewhat limited.

Upgrades, even slight ones, make a difference and have a domino effect on roster depth. Which is what we want.

 

[SA16]

the rangers have no idea either. that's the problem with concussions. no one knows how long it might be. THAT is why the rangers need to approach the deadline under the assumption that he won't be back and try to fill that void. if you are wrong and he ends up coming back that is a bonus and you are now stuck with the 'problem' of having extra depth. which is a hell of a lot better than just sitting around hoping he'll be back and then being left with a big hole if he doesn't.

Well no the problem is not extra depth. The problem is being stuck significantly over the cap with no way to get under and then hoping the league lets you hold out a healthy player until the playoffs without severely punishing the organization. Because it’s happened before doesn’t mean it will happen again.

 

[ElLeetch]

Are there other teams out there that lose as many players for their careers thanks to injuries/illness?

Chytil is at risk. Sauer. Boogard. Cherepanov.
Before that it was Lafontaine, Richter, and others, all had to retire as rangers.

 

[cheech70]

Eddie Olzyck was asked tonight what he thought of the Rangers."I'd keep an eye on Will Cuylle. He scored again tonight he just has a real nose for the net in an old school way. I'm seeing a Jarome Iginla type player."After a pause: "Maybe better"High praise

 

[hardnosed]

Well no the problem is not extra depth. The problem is being stuck significantly over the cap with no way to get under and then hoping the league lets you hold out a healthy player until the playoffs without severely punishing the organization. Because it’s happened before doesn’t mean it will happen again.

Yea. Drury needs to know if Fil can return before the playoffs. If he can, Drury can't use that cap space. Limits his options if he doesn't have the extra cash to play with. It's a real sticky situation.

 

[Rangers in 7]

I keep reading on this board that Chytil is done for the year. Only the Rangers know the details and when/if he will be coming back this year. Nobody here knows a damn thing so stop making shit up.

See here’s the problem…..if he comes back great. He becomes a “deadline” addition

However if he doesn’t come back this season or gets another concussion then we have left ourselves short in a season where we are a legitimate Stanley cup contender. Going home to reset isn’t necessarily a bad thing but if he’s going to be out another 3 months why are we even risking it

 

[Rangers in 7]

Well no the problem is not extra depth. The problem is being stuck significantly over the cap with no way to get under and then hoping the league lets you hold out a healthy player until the playoffs without severely punishing the organization. Because it’s happened before doesn’t mean it will happen again.

This can all be solved by shipping goodrow out as well

Listen I doubt it happens but if you are worried that fil will come back but also want to upgrade goody is burning a 3.6 mil hole in your pocket on the 4th line

Have whoever you go after retain and we should be fine

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

the team has no plans on moving him up. Which is the right call. Maybe a 9 game cup of coffee, but nothing to keep a job.

I wish we weren't such a boomer organization.

No guarantee that Othmann is the answer yet but why not try him in the top 6? Wheeler can center the 3rd line and Bonino can go down to the 4th where he belongs. But this org doesn't trust young players and is in love with Bonino, Wheeler, Goodrow, and Trouba types.

 

[bernmeister]

That's what the AHL is for. When a player makes a case for themselves at that level and the NHL club has a need. Brodzinski isn't really an NHL player, he's a AAAA player that can fill in a pinch but its not sustainable. Bonino isn't exactly the ideal 3rd line center. Pitlick isn't the most ideal. None of them are hurting the team but they can and should be uograded before the playoffs.

Numbering lines might be semantics, but there's a clear divide from the top 2 lines and the bottom 2 lines, and if there weren't 2 of the 3 players from that 3rd line out with injuries there'd be a defined difference in roles between the 3rd and 4th lines. The 3rd line would be used as another scoring line and the 4th line would be the match up line as it's been used as. We know this because that's what was happening before Kakko and Chytil both got injured.

As it stands now the 3rd line is redundant and not productive enough. That will be an issue come playoffs if the issue isn't addressed but I'm sure it will be.

Othmann will need to get a look sooner or later. You don't like giving young cheap players a shot, I get it, but successful teams that sustain that success over long periods of time figure out how to do it. The evidence is overwhelming. Being able to fill holes from within and cheaply, allows you to allocate money where it's needed when guys need raises. Young players also tend not to break down as much as the season gets deeper. Freak injuries not withstanding. Othmann could be a solution for that line but we won't know until he's given that opportunity. Look at Cyulle. He's been effective and unless his game to game involvement dips dramatically he's looking like a staple on the 3rd line for the long term. Othmann could prove the same, he brings that same element of being able to muck it up and go to the dirty areas that's effective in the playoffs, but he also has more offensive upside, and correct me if I'm wrong but he's also a little more of a high-volume shooter than Cyulle (I'm not pitting Cyulle and Othmann against each there, I'm using Cyulle as a baseline) and shot generation is something we would probably like more of 5v5.

Like I've mentioned though, if it's not Othmann, I'm sure they'll figure out a solution. But remember that the cap is an issue so options may be somewhat limited.

Upgrades, even slight ones, make a difference and have a domino effect on roster depth. Which is what we want.

I am not as negative on Brod as you are.
Consider him solid 4th liner who can emergency squeeze/pinch coupla games higher up.
Your assessment was once correct but I feel he's grown and honesty compels we acknowledge same.

 

[IDvsEGO]

I wish we weren't such a boomer organization.

No guarantee that Othmann is the answer yet but why not try him in the top 6? Wheeler can center the 3rd line and Bonino can go down to the 4th where he belongs. But this org doesn't trust young players and is in love with Bonino, Wheeler, Goodrow, and Trouba types.

And after all the issues about not developing kids right, we're finally taking a slow approach with Othmann, and now we're a boomer org?

Othmann isn't destroying records in the AHL. He's putting up solid numbers, and giving him a few games in the NHL isnt bad, look at cuylle now, but he also then needs to go back down and see the difference and make adjustments.

 

[PuckLuck3043]

See here’s the problem…..if he comes back great. He becomes a “deadline” addition

However if he doesn’t come back this season or gets another concussion then we have left ourselves short in a season where we are a legitimate Stanley cup contender. Going home to reset isn’t necessarily a bad thing but if he’s going to be out another 3 months why are we even risking it

WE, the fans, don't have a clue what is going to happen. I'm sure the Rangers have a plan which is dependent upon his health. Just because they haven't done anything to this point isn't really that surprising. The cap also plays into what they can and cannot do. Right now they have the luxury of time because of their position in the standings.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

And after all the issues about not developing kids right, we're finally taking a slow approach with Othmann, and now we're a boomer org?

Othmann isn't destroying records in the AHL. He's putting up solid numbers, and giving him a few games in the NHL isnt bad, look at cuylle now, but he also then needs to go back down and see the difference and make adjustments.

But Othmann is turning 21 next week, he's not some 18 year old straight out of Liiga. Also the idea is to put him in a scoring role, not 10 mins a night on the 4th line.

 

[PuckLuck3043]

I wish we weren't such a boomer organization.

No guarantee that Othmann is the answer yet but why not try him in the top 6? Wheeler can center the 3rd line and Bonino can go down to the 4th where he belongs. But this org doesn't trust young players and is in love with Bonino, Wheeler, Goodrow, and Trouba types.

That is simply not true. They have played plenty of young players very early on in their careers with varying degrees of success. Schneider, Miller, Laf, Kakko, Chytil to name a few. There is nothing wrong with wanting Othmann to get most/all of a pro season under his belt to develop further. It worked for Cuylle apparently.

 

[Kendo]

I wish we weren't such a boomer organization.

No guarantee that Othmann is the answer yet but why not try him in the top 6? Wheeler can center the 3rd line and Bonino can go down to the 4th where he belongs. But this org doesn't trust young players and is in love with Bonino, Wheeler, Goodrow, and Trouba types.

Wheeler was supposed to be a 3C option, and Goodrow before him. Even Brodz is an option. Coach is using Bonino instead. There isn't a timetable on Chytil, and according to Lavs, the 3C answer isn't in house. That needs to be solved before we worry about Othmann.

Funny enough, if Othmann comes up that could push Cuylle down to the 4th line with Bonino which is wildly more palatable than that being a "3rd line."

And after all the issues about not developing kids right, we're finally taking a slow approach with Othmann, and now we're a boomer org?

Othmann isn't destroying records in the AHL. He's putting up solid numbers, and giving him a few games in the NHL isnt bad, look at cuylle now, but he also then needs to go back down and see the difference and make adjustments.

Yeah, I think letting him cook for the full season is simply the pragmatic approach. Struggling to find him ice time next season would be more of a concern. Like if Cuylle only had a brief call-up this season instead of breaking camp with a full time role.

We haven't rushed him, and we're far from dragging our feet with him at this point.

But Othmann is turning 21 next week, he's not some 18 year old straight out of Liiga. Also the idea is to put him in a scoring role, not 10 mins a night on the 4th line.

Like Cuylle last year, but Cuylle can play a 4th line game with more talent than that role typically has, so his cup of coffee was on the 4th line. If Otter gets a cup of coffee, it has to be in the top 9. The 3rd line is currently a mess, so now is not the right time.

Also, I think having some adversity after losing Jonny "AHL Wayne Gretzky" Brodzinski is good for him, and to some extent Berard.

Next season, you could comfortably give Otter a spot on the 3rd line, even if Cuylle goes down "a line." That would merely be indicative of talented depth, and having a Cuylle to slot up to the 3rd in case of injury is better than a Bones, Goodie, or Brodz.

Assuming Fil's healthy and Kakko gets back on track next season:
20 - 93 - 24
10 - 72 - 13
78 - 16 - Berard?
50 - Edstrom? - 26

It might be a bit much to bank on 2 or 3 rookies, but I don't know how much money we'll have to spend on a Wheeler replacement. There's always a Carpenter, Rooney, or Bonino available, so 4C is up for grabs, but someone with a bit more upside and can slot (like Cuylle but at C) would help immeasurably. We have so little in the pipeline outside of waiting on BMB, that if Edstrom can fill a depth role then an organizational gap would be bridged.

This season, we're stuck with Wheeler, who's been "okay" as of late. We're stuck with 3C Bonino, who would be the least of our worries if he was 4C. Goodrow is a good soldier who is the #1 cause of cap constraint. We're at the top of the league with two big injury concerns.

If both come back and we make no moves (they ARE our TDL acquisitions):
20 - 93 - 17
10 - 72 - 13
78 - 16 - 24
50 - 12 - 26

It's basically Othmann in for Goodrow (otherwise 50 - 16 - 24 + 26 - 12 - 21). If we can dump Goodrow for not that much added cost, then that looks like sort of a WAGON. If we acquire one affordable top 9 F and keep Otter down in case of injury (to let him cook), then we could be a matchup nightmare for most teams. Pitlick can go. I like Brodz as a 13F.

 

[IDvsEGO]

But Othmann is turning 21 next week, he's not some 18 year old straight out of Liiga. Also the idea is to put him in a scoring role, not 10 mins a night on the 4th line.

Sure but our scoring lines are a mess right now.
The only spot that would make sense to give him right now is RW with 93-20. And Wheeler hasn't been garbage right now, and would be worse on that 3rd line. So it would make the lines overall worse.

 

[alkurtz]

I am always loathe to trade away first round picks. However, if this team is for real and a legit Cup contender, then you almost have to "go for it" this year. Yes, there are a number of teams on the same level of the Rangers and success over 82 games is no assurance of even getting out of the first round (see the Bruins of last year and the Bolts of a few years ago). But our offensive core, CK, MZ, and AP are at their peak now and will likely begin to slide backwards in a year or two. I don't believe that we can count on Chytil to return and if he does, to play at the same standard he had set for himself. This team cries out for a legit third line center, preferably one who can skate and has some offensive skill. No knock on Bonino, who we signed to be our 4th line center, a role he can fill admirably. Right now, we are icing two first lines and two fourth lines. I think our 3rd line has scored 9 goals (7 by WC). Our 4th line has also scored 9 goals, mostly from Vesey. This is not a recipe for success come playoff time where 3rd line production becomes vital. If there is a legit 3rd line center our there and available, I am ready to jump for it now even at the price of a first rounder.

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

Making moves in desperation mode is a recipe for disaster, 99 times outta 100.
To extent possible, bern advises, never let a problem control you.
You control it.
Of course that often means doing homework and other shit beforehand.
Lindgren/(+) for Hani is not happening.
Yes, be open minded, yes be prepared if opportunity knocks.
But be real.

We are in the mix of half dozen-ish # who legit challenge for the cup.
Only so much can be done to up our odds, esp short term; and remember, even then, cannot control luck/injuries.

Our best bet is to exploit Oil super constrictive straightjacket posture where they are desp for cap flexibility, especially STRUCTURAL cap flexibility.

To that end, a complicated package of lesser deals is needed [hope to finalize/post b'f New Year's], the gist of which is Oil pay us to:
1. take Nurse at half
2. give Lindgren as a stopgap

Several other pieces involved, benefit to Rs, but core of that is
we move Goodrow, Bonino + Jones [Lavoie + Broberg, both cap flexible to be sent down if nec] coming to NY.

That would leave us w/Nurse long term at a little over 4 per.
We eat 1-ish per and he is then a moveable, if not attractive, 3-ish per.

I consider that a prudent risk, as in the short term if we are stuck w/Nurse at a shade over 4 per we can live/work with that.

I expect at 3-ish, we can send to OTT [who have to forfeit a 1st over next 3 years + need to consider all options] and overpay
Nurse + LaF + Gabe P [+]
for
Sanderson + Pinto + Grieg [+]
something like that

WE MUST GET AWAY FROM GIVING AWAY 1STS FOR RENTALS, NEED TO TRY HARD FOR STRATEGIC ACQUISTIONS W/LONGER TERM BENEFIT, ESP FOUNDATION PIECES


Given Chyi is out at least for the time being, this internal solution makes lots of sense and should be tried out asap.
Would be open to experimenting if anything else works better, but
ding ding ding ding ding this makes sense.



I am also hopefully optimistic Jim Morrison {The Doors} was wrong when he sang "this is the end".
If 1OA Ekblad can return from also multiple, really severe stuff I think we can be reservedly postive here and not write Chytil off immediately.


1. Lindholm would have to be considered a pure rental. Per main trade board, he turned down 9 per 8 yrs max from CGY. Ok, he takes similar, maybe somewhat less to go elsewhere, but no team friendly deal 5-6m per.

2. I would consider a rental for proper currency I could live with
BUT ...

3. ... even as a rental, competitive bidding will up the return.

Let it go as for as Lindholm is concerned.


NO NO NO
correct posture here is to fully rebuff the idiocy of win now, which 99+ percent of the time does not work in any sport.
No on paying in the wrong currency which = too much.

We have internal options which we will have to accept to maintain a reduced now, but which do not cut our throats long term, and shorten our window.



I am open to seeing the return
but pref not for a rental, esp one we are not extending

We desp need legit righty RD depth
Ducks drafted Helleson, a huge righty RD
supposedly they have ample d prospects.

Sykora + BMB + turd cap dumps Leshitshow +
for
Helleson + Vatrano



Concur with this. Kudos + applause


Although ANA has Carlson + Tavish + 'nother good pivot emerging, they are not gonna give up Z sooner than they have to UNLESS
there is a signif profit on the table.

If we view Z as a foundation piece level add,
then that is a discussion we should have.
Whether or not to pull the trigger there is not level of overpayment to be required, but in what currency must it be, and there is an intersect between what they will settle for and what we can live with.


1. Have loved Jen for years.
2. No, want to add him to KK, not surrender KK for him.
3. It is likely moot b'c like 30 teams bid for BJ, upping price.

I'll take a hard pass on Nurse.