Roster Building Thread - Part VIII (2023-24 season)

[ecemleafs]

Going to see them with my son for the 3rd year in the row. Became our annual thing.

Me too.

 

[McRanger92]

I could be completely wrong, but I would assume Trenin costs about what Hathaway did last year.

Hathaway was a piece in the Orlov trade. Either way, Trenin is the type of player we could use in the bottom 6, kills penalties too. Cuylle may be able to close the gap on him as the season goes along though. Mercogliano mentioned that he feels the Rangers are more interested in a physical bottom 6 player due to the cap constraints (even though he mentioned Clutterbuk lol that will never happen). I get it, because I think the top 6 is pretty set when/if Chytil and Kakko are back. And if Chytil's not back they quite obviously will make a move for a center, rightfully so.

 

[duhmetreE]

Don’t see any major pieces moved out during the season. Drury will be looking to add but lack of cap space and asset capital hurt. Off season, I see a move for a young center and a LHD both likely. Lindgren and Kakko both could be moved then.

Don’t undersell Pinto. Good young player who probably needs a change of scenery and has an NY connection.

Don't ignore the lure of adding a player like Hanifin. Young veteran with Plenty of career still in front of him.

I know Chychrun has been injured. It's a riskier move but has massive grand slam potential.

KAM Fox
Chychrun Trouba
Gus Schneider

I'd be in on Pinto already. I don't know what'd he cost though.

 

[McRanger92]

I know Chychrun has been injured. It's a riskier move but has massive grand slam potential.

KAM Fox
Chychrun Trouba
Gus Schneider

I'd be in on Pinto already. I don't know what'd he cost though.

Give me Hanifin for just money in the summer, over Chychrun who is still trying to find himself as a player imo. Rangers need to be in the market for a long-term top 4 LHD. The Lindgren decision can wait but we have absolutely nothing in the pipeline. Obviously Trouba is here through 2027 but a top 4 of

Fox-Miller
Schneider-Hanifin(or someone comparable)

Should be the vision.

 

[NYR Viper]

Hathaway was a piece in the Orlov trade. Either way, Trenin is the type of player we could use in the bottom 6, kills penalties too. Cuylle may be able to close the gap on him as the season goes along though. Mercogliano mentioned that he feels the Rangers are more interested in a physical bottom 6 player due to the cap constraints (even though he mentioned Clutterbuk lol that will never happen). I get it, because I think the top 6 is pretty set when/if Chytil and Kakko are back. And if Chytil's not back they quite obviously will make a move for a center, rightfully so.

I'd be okay giving Trenin ~$2m per season for 3-4 years. Both him and Cuylle in the bottom-6 would add size and physicality moving forward. Add Othmann possibly next year and the team becomes much more physical while not losing any actual ability.

 

[Clark Kellogg]

Hope a cure is found soon.
Garden of Dreams video:

 

[SA16]

I wonder if Trenin will be moved. 27 years old. 24 points last year in 77 games. He's a very physical player and could be a candidate that the team could bring in and then re-sign for 3-4 years as a physical bottom-6 guy. 9 points in 33 games this year so perhaps the price will be somewhat reasonable. He'd push Cuylle down or be pushed down to the 4th line as depth.

People who wanted Hathaway should also want Trenin. He has a similar impact on the ice to Hathaway with his high compete level, hitting and PKing.

Trenin is fine but I wouldn't expect nearly as much offense here. His scoring rates are pretty terrible but ends up with points because he gets a lot of minutes. By pretty terrible I mean if you take all 399 forwards with 1000+ mins the last 3 years his pts/60 ranks 364th - right next to Bonino and Pitlick. He would not get anywhere near 15 mins/game here. If you pay him expecting to get in the 25-30 point range you're going to be disappointed. Based on his scoring rates, if you give him Goodrows ice time this year (10:04/game at 5v5) you're looking at 15 points at 5v5.

 

[DanielBrassard]

Vince with a trade candidates article. Id honestly be surprised if Elias Lindholm isnt a Ranger if Chytil is actually done for the year. He also mentioned Tommy Novak from Nashville, who I dont know too much about but he seems like a a good target. Puts up points with an 800K contract. Teammate of Lindgren at the University of Minnesota. Probably a high price to pay to get him from Nashville if they fall out of the race, but he could be a long-term fit.

Novak would be awesome. Dont know why Nashville would trade him if they are still in the race.

 

[NickyFotiu]

Vince brought up a point about LTIR money being used in a trade if Chytil needs time to recuperate.

I'd rather not invest more money in to bottom 6 forwards or bottom pairing Dmen. If possible I'd prefer to improve our top 6 forwards and top 4 Dmen. It will not be easy but that would be my goal if the possibility arises.

 

[Avery16]

Vince brought up a point about LTIR money being used in a trade if Chytil needs time to recuperate.

I'd rather not invest more money in to bottom 6 forwards or bottom pairing Dmen. If possible I'd prefer to improve our top 6 forwards and top 4 Dmen. It will not be easy but that would be my goal if the possibility arises.

Our bottom six are more than fine, assuming Chytil and Kakko come back. Our defense is fine, but we need a better 7D in case of injury. Jones isn't cutting it and Harpur is injured. I'd look at a top-nine RW and a 7D.

I would be very glad to ditch Goodrow in the process.

 

[Chalfdiggity3]

I know Chychrun has been injured. It's a riskier move but has massive grand slam potential.

KAM Fox
Chychrun Trouba
Gus Schneider

I'd be in on Pinto already. I don't know what'd he cost though.

can we please stop with this chychrun love fest? The guy is ALWAYS hurt. He’s not worth the assets to give up. The guy is far to injury prone and your right he is already injured this season. So let’s stop with him please.

thanks

 

[duhmetreE]

can we please stop with this chychrun love fest? The guy is ALWAYS hurt. He’s not worth the assets to give up. The guy is far to injury prone and your right he is already injured this season. So let’s stop with him please.

thanks

no, thank you

 

[NickyFotiu]

Our bottom six are more than fine, assuming Chytil and Kakko come back. Our defense is fine, but we need a better 7D in case of injury. Jones isn't cutting it and Harpur is injured. I'd look at a top-nine RW and a 7D.

I would be very glad to ditch Goodrow in the process.

I understand peoples concerns with a 7th D but come playoff time I think the difference will be with the guys that play the most minutes. We dont have top 20 players imo.

 

[Fitzy]

The third line is the problem area. You need 30 points from each 3rd liner in the modern high scoring game at the bare minimum. We have, as other posters have noted, really 5 4th liners in the bottom 6 right now and a guy in Cuylle who is still developing. Cuylle should be the weakest link offensively on the third line, right now he's the strongest.

Kakko needs to do something when he returns, and we absolutely need an upgrade on Bonino.

 

[IDvsEGO]

The third line is the problem area. You need 30 points from each 3rd liner in the modern high scoring game at the bare minimum. We have, as other posters have noted, really 5 4th liners in the bottom 6 right now and a guy in Cuylle who is still developing. Cuylle should be the weakest link offensively on the third line, right now he's the strongest.

Kakko needs to do something when he returns, and we absolutely need an upgrade on Bonino.

Chytil comes back, and he’s a 45 pt guy, Kakko comes back and he’s a 40 pt guy,
So now the only one on the third who hasn’t already scored 35 pts is cuylle who’s on pace for close to that.

 

[Chalfdiggity3]

no, thank you

he hasn’t played a full nhl season yet since joining the league. He wasn’t the answer when he was on the block, and certainly isn’t now either. The assets it would take to get him would be stupid and we will be looking for a new defenseman every season bc he cant stay on the ice. It’s a bad idea period.

 

[SA16]

All you need to do is play the top lines more and the bottom lines less. Colorado takes it to an extreme and is very effective with it. Their top line (MacKinnon/Rantanen/Nichushkin) all average over 15 mins at 5v5/game. Their bottom guys all average under 9. They often "play" MacDermid at 4th line wing and when he plays he plays like 5 minutes per game. The whole wearing out thing is nonsense. You're talking like an additional one shift a period for the top lines to do that. Colorado has done this for years we've never seen any ill effects from it. For some reason everyone is afraid of the 20 minute mark for absolutely no reason other than it's a nice round number. Trading for some old terrible 7D to fill in in case of injury or depth forward is going to make far less of a difference than simply compensating for the injury by increasing the ice time of the better players.

 

[Boris Zubov]

Chytil comes back, and he’s a 45 pt guy, Kakko comes back and he’s a 40 pt guy,
So now the only one on the third who hasn’t already scored 35 pts is cuylle who’s on pace for close to that.

This is awfully optimistic considering he had all of 3 points before he got hurt.

Truth is, Kakko is a complete enigma at this point, so it's probably not a good idea trying to predict what he's going to do when he comes back after a leg injury when his skating was already poor.

 

[NYR Viper]

Trenin is fine but I wouldn't expect nearly as much offense here. His scoring rates are pretty terrible but ends up with points because he gets a lot of minutes. By pretty terrible I mean if you take all 399 forwards with 1000+ mins the last 3 years his pts/60 ranks 364th - right next to Bonino and Pitlick. He would not get anywhere near 15 mins/game here. If you pay him expecting to get in the 25-30 point range you're going to be disappointed. Based on his scoring rates, if you give him Goodrows ice time this year (10:04/game at 5v5) you're looking at 15 points at 5v5.

I get he may not play 15 minutes a night as he is now, but if we just look at last year he averaged 15 minutes of ice time per game, with just over 2 minutes on the PK on average per game. That's 13 minutes of even strength time. Cuylle is averaging ~11:30 so that's not that far off from 3rd line usage, especially if he's relied on for late game situations, which based on his PK time, he likely is and the fact that Cuylle has been playing on what is a makeshift 4th line most of the year anyways.

Again, I liken Trenin to someone like Hathaway who I liked and wanted this off-season. He's not going to put up 35 points but he effects a game in other ways and based on what is coming in the pipeline, adding a 6'2, 210+ lb winger who likes to play a physical game would help both now and moving forward.

I'd be fine with him getting his 20-25 points a season, making ~$2m a year to play a physical game, PK and help solidify the bottom-6.

Beyond all of what I have written here, I think he, along with Cuylle, would work well with guys like Berard and Sykora who I think are future bottom-6 players here, both of whom are somewhat undersized, high motor guys. Pair them with two power forwards and I think it works.

 

[SA16]

I get he may not play 15 minutes a night as he is now, but if we just look at last year he averaged 15 minutes of ice time per game, with just over 2 minutes on the PK on average per game. That's 13 minutes of even strength time. Cuylle is averaging ~11:30 so that's not that far off from 3rd line usage, especially if he's relied on for late game situations, which based on his PK time, he likely is and the fact that Cuylle has been playing on what is a makeshift 4th line most of the year anyways.

Again, I liken Trenin to someone like Hathaway who I liked and wanted this off-season. He's not going to put up 35 points but he effects a game in other ways and based on what is coming in the pipeline, adding a 6'2, 210+ lb winger who likes to play a physical game would help both now and moving forward.

I'd be fine with him getting his 20-25 points a season, making ~$2m a year to play a physical game, PK and help solidify the bottom-6.

Beyond all of what I have written here, I think he, along with Cuylle, would work well with guys like Berard and Sykora who I think are future bottom-6 players here, both of whom are somewhat undersized, high motor guys. Pair them with two power forwards and I think it works.

I think his ice time would go down a lot here. The reason it's like that in NSH is for years now NSH has been a team that really spreads out the ice time. Filip Forsberg hasn't even played 19 mins/game since 2015.

You're probably looking at 10-11 mins of 5v5 time. That's the range Bonino, Vesey, Goodrow, Brodzinski, Cuylle are all in. He would be on the PK but you're probably looking at a bottom unit PK role. Maybe he takes Trocheck's PK spot which is 1:15/game.

Again, he's fine. I just would not expect the raw numbers to look anywhere near as good as they do in Nashville.

 

[Leonardo87]

 

[duhmetreE]

not good

 

[RangersFan1994]

Doesn't sound good at all. He's done for the season in my opinion

 

[UAGoalieGuy]

We've been jinxed:

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[Avery16]

Brooks is such a lazy writer sometimes.