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Roster Building Thread - Part VIII (2023-24 season)

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I'm looking very forward to having guys like Cuylle, Othmann, Sykora, and Edstrom and sprinkling them across three lines that can all score and check.

Three versatile lines that are all dangerous and don't have obvious flaws is the best lineup to have.

We should even have enough left over for a relatively plug-free 4th line.
 
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Machinehead said:
Remember when we made acquisitions in 2022 and finally sat Rooney, but then we scratched Kakko in the elimination games because we absolutely had to get Rooney in for important business? I think they do that with Goodrow after the deadline if everyone is healthy.
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Machinehead said:
Remember when we made acquisitions in 2022 and finally sat Rooney, but then we scratched Kakko in the elimination games because we absolutely had to get Rooney in for important business? I think they do that with Goodrow after the deadline if everyone is healthy.
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They scratched Kakko because the entire team was moving in molasses and Kakko was so much slower he was seen skating in reverse. They were losing the series and it was a desperation tactic.
 
Also, it needs to be said, if Kakko doesn't start showing some production when he comes back, he's in non-zero danger of being the surplus. That's just the reality at this point.

He's not scoring at a top 9 rate and the Rangers might just say "you know what, our 4th line guys do the 4th line stuff."

Then again, there's a non-zero chance he's the guy that goes for the acquisition.

And before people shout his age at me and tell me I can't give up on somebody his age, you know, don't shoot the messenger.

Like I said, this is the reality. He's running out of time before the Rangers consider if his future is here, for a number of reasons.
 
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effen said:
I find it very interesting that Goodrow hasn't gotten a shot at 3C given his Swiss army knife status and his lack of being a reanimated corpse.
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I’ve liked the line with him Vesey and Pitlick since they’ve been put together. The Bonino line is kinda the island of misfit toys at the moment
 
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You can totally give up on Kakko for perfectly reasonable reasons. If THREE coaching staffs in a row go from:

Gifted top 6/PP to start the season > Demoted to get him going > Tough Love > Try bumping him up again a few times > f*** this guy

Then it's his fault. 3 coaches with very, very not confusing things they like, such as "skate" and "be strong on your stick", and "go to the hard areas" and he still humps the boards then f*** him. Life goes on.
 
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McRanger92 said:
I’ve liked the line with him Vesey and Pitlick since they’ve been put together. The Bonino line is kinda the island of misfit toys at the moment
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Pitlicks fine I don't get some of the mean girls schtick people have with him.

I'd just make a black hole line with Bonino and him and a hot dog vendor and play it like 8 shifts at ES unless there was a b2b.
 
Also, on Lafreniere, maybe he never becomes a star for reasons we've gone into, although his novel is not yet published.

At this point, I don't care.

A UFA superstar took a discount to come here and then took another step forward. A Hall of Fame defenseman just walked onto the ice from college one day. We traded an aging 2C for a guy that, at the time of posting, is a 0.94 PPG player for the Rangers. Possibly the best pure goal-scorer in team history plays for the team right now.

We've had plenty of fortune and it's given us plenty of talent. I just need Lafreniere to be good. That's it.
 
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If you're going to wish misery and woe on people with a year from the dark ages, 2003-04 is definitely the one to go with.
 
Panarin, Kreider, Lafreniere, Cuylle, Othmann, Sykora, Perreault, Edstrom, Berard. That list does not include any UFA signing or addition for a 4th line winger spot or another player that has been drafted and not signed yet. Vesey might just stick around too, especially if he stays on the cheap end.

Kakko is 100% needed for this season. Anything beyond that, you do not really know. On top of that, he needs a new deal. I've been someone that has defended Kakko the entire time, but at some point he needs production and to drive things. He may never be that.

You've got two years of control of the player left after this one. It's either shit or get off the pot time. He has arb rights this summer. What kind of increase is he getting? Can the Rangers realistically afford an increase for him with the cap? If there is no production by the deadline, and this team is ready to go, he's going to be the piece moved to make a splash for someone at 50% off that has some term, whether that is a winger, center, or defense.
 
Why are we complaining about the lines as written on a piece of paper? Bonino is our 4C, that line plays the least minutes 5v5. Probably because Laviolette understands that it's an incoherent mess that has the worst results.

The question is which of the Zibanejad or Vesey line that could be considered the second line considering the latter has gotten more minutes the past 5 games.
 
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Blue Blooded said:
Why are we complaining about the lines as written on a piece of paper? Bonino is our 4C, that line plays the least minutes 5v5. Probably because Laviolette understands that it's an incoherent mess that has the worst results.

The question is which of the Zibanejad or Vesey line that could be considered the second line considering the latter has gotten more minutes the past 5 games.
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I'm not interested in line numbering. The problem is that too many lines are bad.

Pitlick-Goodrow-Vesey are actually decent at driving play because Vesey is the GOAT but they're getting badly outscored. That makes sense. Look who's on the line. Who's going to score?

Panarin-Trocheck-Lafreniere are getting badly outscored. That makes sense. Panarin and Trocheck have a 46.8% GF% since we signed Trocheck. They never succeed together.

Opponents are dancing on our grave when Cuylle and Bonino are on the ice together with whoever the other guy us.

The only line working is the one everyone complains about. Kreider-Zibanejad-Wheeler have 62% of the goal share at even strength. That line is singlehandedly keeping us in the W column.

Maybe I shouldn't just single out Bonino. We really need to change the line combos to something else. Three of them are bad.
 
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Also, some of these lines should be bad with the talent we have available and the injuries and what have you.

That second line absolutely shouldn't be. It's just a matter of the players not working well together and the team needing to recognize it.

They're in a tough spot now but when Chytil comes back and they inevitably leave Trocheck there, I'm going to scream about it until the entire website has me on ignore.
 
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Machinehead said:
Also, some of these lines should be bad with the talent we have available and the injuries and what have you.

That second line absolutely shouldn't be. It's just a matter of the players not working well together and the team needing to recognize it.

They're in a tough spot now but when Chytil comes back and they inevitably leave Trocheck there, I'm going to scream about it until the entire website has me on ignore.
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That won’t be well received. Micheletti has already indoctrinated the masses in Trochecks sandpaper veteran gritty Italian faceoffs hard working two way beastliness.
 
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Machinehead said:
Maybe I shouldn't just single out Bonino. We really need to change the line combos to something else. Three of them are bad.
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That's it right there. As I said, there are other, bigger concerns than Bonino with this team.

The problem is also that the present pieces just don't seem to fuse into any line combos that stay good for long.
 
Machinehead said:
Also, some of these lines should be bad with the talent we have available and the injuries and what have you.

That second line absolutely shouldn't be. It's just a matter of the players not working well together and the team needing to recognize it.

They're in a tough spot now but when Chytil comes back and they inevitably leave Trocheck there, I'm going to scream about it until the entire website has me on ignore.
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I don't know what lines you could move at this point, especially considering the drop-off at center, which is why it take precedent for me in any acquisition moving forward. They kind of need to suck it up until Chytil returns. Maybe it takes a few games for Laviolette to get back to Panarin-Chytil-Lafreniere, but I think he will get back to it, especially if it opens up Trocheck to be used up and down the lineup when needed and not run him 20 minutes a night. You already see he likes to have two centers in the last 3-4 minutes of periods, even if it involves a quick change. Plus Chytil might need to get back into gear, and while a sub 50% goal share isn't what you'd want, it's not an abomination.

The great news is that Wheeler is gelling with Kreider and Mika. Even if it is something that doesn't work out for more than small stretches together, you can come back to it as an option. Then you can start looking at a "shut down" line which would be Vesey-Trocheck-Kakko. Then whatever amalgamation you come up with for the 4th (I'd much prefer Cuylle-Goodrow-Brodz) and you're good to go.
 
Machinehead said:
Also, on Lafreniere, maybe he never becomes a star for reasons we've gone into, although his novel is not yet published.

At this point, I don't care.

A UFA superstar took a discount to come here and then took another step forward. A Hall of Fame defenseman just walked onto the ice from college one day. We traded an aging 2C for a guy that, at the time of posting, is a 0.94 PPG player for the Rangers. Possibly the best pure goal-scorer in team history plays for the team right now.

We've had plenty of fortune and it's given us plenty of talent. I just need Lafreniere to be good. That's it.
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My only problem with this is you don't draft #1 and #2 to "just be good". You get these kinds of drafts to be team leaders in all facets of the game young, so when the time comes for an actual full rebuild, you can build team around them and avoid a future where you're so far into the dark ages you're constantly trading young talent and picks to glue together a contender.

Kakko who looked to be breaking out at the end of last season is pretty much a waste of oxygen in the arena. Chytil who looked to be breaking out at the end of last season is one bad hit away from retiring before he's 26. Laf who seems to be the most improved from last season only has 4 more points than what he had last season in the same amount of games now being in the Top 6.

We've got some decent young talent in the pipeline, but man I am worried for our immediate AND long term future.
 
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