Roster Building Thread - Part VIII (2023-24 season)

[Machinehead]

Yeah when Chytil comes back. Until then patience is a virgin. It’s not like Bonino’s defensive presence is effecting the overall record.

I feel like we had a guy that looked good on that line and we gave him one game. It would have been good for Edstrom to play things out and see what happened.

If you value Bonino that much, take Pitlick out. Again, I can live with "this guy basically sucks 5v5 but he does this and that." Do we need three of them?

 

[Jauffre]

The first season I ever watched. It was fun for a while.

Same, was that the year they went undefeated in preseason?

 

[Machinehead]

He has an axe to grind particularly against Bonino as well as Goodrow. It's very weird.

Yes. They suck. That's the entire axe.

It has a fancy grip, a new paint job, and I sharpen it every Wednesday.

You guys are weird. The attachment to these nothing 4th line players never ceases to amaze me. Throw the body into the fire and bring in the next one.

 

[Mandar]

Yes. They suck. That's the entire axe.

It has a fancy grip, a new paint job, and I sharpen it every Wednesday.

You guys are weird. The attachment to these nothing 4th line players never ceases to amaze me. Throw the body into the fire and bring in the next one.

Hey....you just might piss off the Motte posse......

 

[Fitzy]

Half of these disagreements on players in 2020-today just come down to whether the poster at hand has a more epistemologically pluralist evaluation of player performance, or if they’re more reductionist in simply using math and data to measure performance.

Data is getting better, and we can know more with it than ever before. But you’re still leaving a lot lying there

 

[Machinehead]

Hey....you just might piss off the Motte posse......

Don't even get me started on that other waste. Motte is an adorable puppy constantly doing zoomies and does nothing else.

Nobody even brought up analytics. Watching Bonino skate makes me wanna end it all and I refuse to believe people defending him don't see that.

Once again, we should disregard analytics *and* our own judgement and the stunning rebuttal is "but the coach likes him." That's what it's always been.

 

[will1066]

Yes. They suck. That's the entire axe.

It has a fancy grip, a new paint job, and I sharpen it every Wednesday.

You guys are weird. The attachment to these nothing 4th line players never ceases to amaze me. Throw the body into the fire and bring in the next one.

No one's attached to them. They're being asked to play out of their slotted roles because of injuries. Blame Chytil for not being durable. Bonino would be on the 4th line -- sorry @huerter -- and Pitlick wouldn't even be playing. Also blame Kakko for not producing numbers that really count before he went down. Then we wouldn't be seeing Wheeler playing with Zibanejad and Kreider.

 

[Machinehead]

And I like Laviolette. At least he's not playing Goodrow (or Bonino for that matter) almost SEVENTEEN baby-killing minutes per game like Gallant was.

Dark time.

 

[Fitzy]

My position has always been that Bonino is an acceptable 4th line player for 8 minutes and pk time, but he was an absolutely terrible choice to promote and I have no idea why PL hasn’t tried something different.

Even Cuylle-Brod-Vesey couldn’t possibly be worse.

 

[will1066]

And I like Laviolette. At least he's not playing Goodrow (or Bonino for that matter) almost SEVENTEEN baby-killing minutes per game like Gallant was.

Dark time.

My position has always been that Bonino is an acceptable 4th line player for 8 minutes and pk time, but he was an absolutely terrible choice to promote and I have no idea why PL hasn’t tried something different.

Even Cuylle-Brod-Vesey couldn’t possibly be worse.

Because Laviolette follows old head-coaching tropes like everyone else. Bonino and Goodrow have their places on the "call sheet" irrespective of performance. There's a don't-ask/don't-tell pecking order. They have to go down before guys like Edstrom get a real chance.

 

[Machinehead]

No one's attached to them. They're being asked to play out of their slotted roles because of injuries. Blame Chytil for not being durable. Bonino would be on the 4th line -- sorry @huerter -- and Pitlick wouldn't even be playing. Also blame Kakko for not producing numbers that really count before he went down.

This is such a lame excuse. We have options. We didn't even try options. We handed Bonino the spot immediately and he would have to commit a felony to lose it.

Nobody throws a band-aid over something then convinces themselves the band-aid is irreplaceable like the Rangers do.

The Kreider-Zibanejad combo, Trocheck with Panarin, Miller-Trouba, and Lindgren-Fox at this point. None of these are good anymore, and some of them never were, but there's enough circumstances going on (powerplay production, intangibles, winning games) for the Rangers to convince themselves that nothing could possibly be better.

 

[Machinehead]

Because Laviolette follows old head-coaching tropes like everyone else. Bonino and Goodrow have their places on the "call sheet" irrespective of performance. There's a don't-ask/don't-tell pecking order. They have to go down before guys like Edstrom get a real chance.

And people are going to call this out as they f***ing should. It's a detriment to the team.

 

[Fitzy]

Worth noting that we’ve really been stretching Trochecks TOI, can’t imagine he will be able to keep up playing 22 minutes a game all season

 

[80shockeywasbuns]

Don't even get me started on that other waste. Motte is an adorable puppy constantly doing zoomies and does nothing else.

Nobody even brought up analytics. Watching Bonino skate makes me wanna end it all and I refuse to believe people defending him don't see that.

Once again, we should disregard analytics *and* our own judgement and the stunning rebuttal is "but the coach likes him." That's what it's always been.

Look at those strides

 

[Machinehead]

Worth noting that we’ve really been stretching Trochecks TOI, can’t imagine he will be able to keep up playing 22 minutes a game all season

This is where I would buy "there isn't a better option when Chytil is out," although the guy they chose being capable of nothing but penalty killing doesn't help.

 

[SA16]

Worth noting that we’ve really been stretching Trochecks TOI, can’t imagine he will be able to keep up playing 22 minutes a game all season

I don't think it's a big deal. 20 is just seen as a lot because it's a round number. Nobody thinks going 16 mins to 18 mins is a problem yet 20 mins to 22 mins seems huge. The difference is less than one additional shift per period. A lot of it is due to a substantial increase in PP TOI which is less taxing as well.

 

[will1066]

This is such a lame excuse. We have options. We didn't even try options. We handed Bonino the spot immediately and he would have to commit a felony to lose it.

Nobody throws a band-aid over something then convinces themselves the band-aid is irreplaceable like the Rangers do.

The Kreider-Zibanejad combo, Trocheck with Panarin, Miller-Trouba, and Lindgren-Fox at this point. None of these are good anymore, and some of them never were, but there's enough circumstances going on (powerplay production, intangibles, winning games) for the Rangers to convince themselves that nothing could possibly be better.

Because that's just the order of things. I never said that I liked it either. I refuse to sound like puckluck, but you and others are acting like it's the end of the world. This team has issues despite the record. I don't carry about like issues don't exist.

 

[hardnosed]

I'm sure the coach knows that Bonino is slow as molasses and won't be scoring many points. He's not a complete idiot. He's just decided that he can live with that because he wants his PK work and his faceoff prowess in the lineup. We lost 2 top 9 forwards. Everyone can argue who should be moved up but Bonino will probably be somewhere in the lineup even when those 2 guys return.

 

[Avery16]

We've had some good 4th liners and we've had plenty of bad ones. Someone's got to play there and as long as they're doing something important for us and making next to league minimum, I don't know how much we should hope to improve on that.

Goodrow is a whole other story.

 

[Machinehead]

Because that's just the order of things. I never said that I liked it either. I refuse to sound like puckluck, but you and others are acting like it's the end of the world. This team has issues despite the record. I don't carry about like issues don't exist.

I'm sorry to say, but it is actually a very big f***ing deal that we have two lines that aren't capable of doing basically anything.

Everyone has a 4th line. We have two lines that can't do a single thing besides PK. I understand health is an issue, but the Rangers not only have to get healthy, they have to have another plan in place for the playoffs because injuries will happen again and this is not it.

If Bonino is in the top 9 at the very first sign of an injury, book your tee times.

 

[80shockeywasbuns]

I'm sorry to say, but it is actually a very big f***ing deal that we have two lines that aren't capable of doing basically anything.

Everyone has a 4th line. We have two lines that can't do a single thing besides PK. I understand health is an issue, but the Rangers not only have to get healthy, they have to have another plan in place for the playoffs because injuries will happen again and this is not it.

If Bonino is in the top 9 at the very first sign of an injury, book your tee times.

I don’t understand how someone can think that the team voluntarily icing a 3rd line that can’t sustain an O Zone shift, barring a miracle, isn’t a big deal. They haven’t been forced into this situation, there’s literally ONE injury to a center

 

[Machinehead]

One thing the Rangers have needed for awhile, that a lot of successful teams have, are guys playing wing when everything is rosy but they can play center when it's not.

Everyone agrees they probably need another forward. They should target a center. He can play wing if Chytil comes back and sticks.

 

[McRanger92]

Autocorrect strikes again, but I’m going to leave it for the laughs

 

[will1066]

I'm sorry to say, but it is actually a very big f***ing deal that we have two lines that aren't capable of doing basically anything.

Everyone has a 4th line. We have two lines that can't do a single thing besides PK. I understand health is an issue, but the Rangers not only have to get healthy, they have to have another plan in place for the playoffs because injuries will happen again and this is not it.

If Bonino is in the top 9 at the very first sign of an injury, book your tee times.

People's opinions of Bonino will change in the playoffs. And Goodrow. Assuming Chytil and Kakko are back at that time, Bonino will be slotted appropriately.

Even though we're not going to get two-time Cup winner, HBK-line Bonino, we're going to appreciate his shot-blocking ability when all the fancy metrics go out the window and it's literally a game of attrition being played shift by shift in the playoffs.

 

[McRanger92]

I feel like we had a guy that looked good on that line and we gave him one game. It would have been good for Edstrom to play things out and see what happened.

If you value Bonino that much, take Pitlick out. Again, I can live with "this guy basically sucks 5v5 but he does this and that." Do we need three of them?

I’d like to see Edstrom get some more games but we’ve been down 2 top 6 forwards for about a month now. The attrition of the season will sometimes lead to us playing plugs more than we want. I’m ok with the logic of that especially because we do nothing but win games