Roster Building Thread - Part VIII (2023-24 season)

[NYR Viper]

Nope, not the specifics which I'm sure will leak at some point.

The most I've seen said that it involved an Perry and employee when they were in Columbus (which was a week ago today.)

It was serious enough for the Hawks to be like "yeah, you're out" but thats as much as we know publicly.

Okay that is where I thought we were. For me, until we get specifics or some sort of investigation that proves guilt, I am withholding judgement. Important note, Perry's contract was for $4m total but $2m of which was a signing bonus. So that was paid before the season, leaving $2m to be paid over the entirety of the season. As he made it through about a quarter of the season, I would imagine that netted him another $500k.

So the situation may have been bad enough, in both directions, that they mutually agreed to part ways, knowing Perry was already paid 62.5% of his full contract. That plus with something coming out, his NMC, the desire for the team to move on and Perry's likely ability to get another decent ($1m) contract from someone everyone involved may have thought this was the best course of action.

What I'm trying to say is that based on the actual details of the contract Perry may not have 'fought' the unconditional buyout if it was something not as serious as initially thought.

 

[LOFIN]

Okay that is where I thought we were. For me, until we get specifics or some sort of investigation that proves guilt, I am withholding judgement. Important note, Perry's contract was for $4m total but $2m of which was a signing bonus. So that was paid before the season, leaving $2m to be paid over the entirety of the season. As he made it through about a quarter of the season, I would imagine that netted him another $500k.

So the situation may have been bad enough, in both directions, that they mutually agreed to part ways, knowing Perry was already paid 62.5% of his full contract. That plus with something coming out, his NMC, the desire for the team to move on and Perry's likely ability to get another decent ($1m) contract from someone everyone involved may have thought this was the best course of action.

What I'm trying to say is that based on the actual details of the contract Perry may not have 'fought' the unconditional buyout if it was something not as serious as initially thought.

I don't really understand what you are saying? What unconditional buyout? We are talking about contract termination here. And rest assured, he and the NHLPA are sure as hell going to fight it if they think they have a case.

 

[TominNC]

He shoots and he passes. Those skills are mostly the same whether its the AHL or NHL. Being on PP minimizes the difference in skill level between those leagues. This is exactly what you do with someone who is a proven scorer in a lower league. Put them in the best position to capitalize on that ability.

He's a proven non-scorer in the only league that matters. It's not like he's 24 and hasn't had a chance.

 

[EpicDing]

Okay that is where I thought we were. For me, until we get specifics or some sort of investigation that proves guilt, I am withholding judgement. Important note, Perry's contract was for $4m total but $2m of which was a signing bonus. So that was paid before the season, leaving $2m to be paid over the entirety of the season. As he made it through about a quarter of the season, I would imagine that netted him another $500k.

So the situation may have been bad enough, in both directions, that they mutually agreed to part ways, knowing Perry was already paid 62.5% of his full contract. That plus with something coming out, his NMC, the desire for the team to move on and Perry's likely ability to get another decent ($1m) contract from someone everyone involved may have thought this was the best course of action.

What I'm trying to say is that based on the actual details of the contract Perry may not have 'fought' the unconditional buyout if it was something not as serious as initially thought.

There's no buyout, the contract is being terminated for a material breach. I wouldn't sign him if he's harassing/fighting (seems to be the likely options) team employees and making their work environment hostile.

 

[Avery16]

I’m guessing the reason that Perry has been so quiet is that the allegations will spur criminal charges and/or a civil suit and a smart attorney told him to not make any statements.

 

[RangersFan1994]

Kessel to the Rangers a possibility? Wouldn’t mind a cheap contract for the rest of the year. He has playoff success.

 

[SA16]

Kessel to the Rangers a possibility? Wouldn’t mind a cheap contract for the rest of the year. He has playoff success.

Think Brian Boyle would be a better fit.

 

[HockeyBasedNYC]

A few mentioned it. Why not give Brodz a shot in a real scoring role in Wheelers spot instead of playing him in a checking role?

He leads the A in points and has a shoot first mentality. Nice to see him on the 2nd Pp unit but give him and his younger legs the keys for a few games and see what happens.

Wheeler has been better but I still think it’s worth a shot

 

[Rangers in 7]

First off wheeler wasn’t getting it done, Brodz is not a NHL player. He’s a decent 4th line guy. THe rangers need to make a trade for a top 6 winger if Kakko is going to be out for an extended period of time. We still dont have a timeframe for chytil either. We look very thin upfront

 

[NYR Viper]

There's no buyout, the contract is being terminated for a material breach. I wouldn't sign him if he's harassing/fighting (seems to be the likely options) team employees and making their work environment hostile.

I think it's wise for us all to wait to see what information comes out in regards to what happened. He's been in the league for close to 20 years and this is the first time we've heard of any off-ice issue. Hell, I've heard many times the exact opposite about him as a teammate. In saying that, if something egregious occurred than stay away

First off wheeler wasn’t getting it done, Brodz is not a NHL player. He’s a decent 4th line guy. THe rangers need to make a trade for a top 6 winger if Kakko is going to be out for an extended period of time. We still dont have a timeframe for chytil either. We look very thin upfront

In years past we saw guys like Blackwell and others playing top-6 minutes as complimentary pieces. That's not to say Brodzinski can be that guy but crazier things have happened

 

[Rangers in 7]

In years past we saw guys like Blackwell and others playing top-6 minutes as complimentary pieces. That's not to say Brodzinski can be that guy but crazier things have happened

Our right wing depth is laf, wheeler, brodz, vesey….thats not going to win a cup. Hell I’d argue even with Kakko we should be looking to upgrade that group. I’d honestly call Ottawa and see what it takes to get tarasenko back

 

[NYR Viper]

Our right wing depth is laf, wheeler, brodz, vesey….thats not going to win a cup. Hell I’d argue even with Kakko we should be looking to upgrade that group. I’d honestly call Ottawa and see what it takes to get tarasenko back

I'm more intrigued by finding someone who could augment the group in a different way. I'd like to see more speed and a bit more physicality on the right side.

I'd see what Zucker costs with retention. And I'd still look into Perry

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

I can’t think of anything better for a team clicking on all cylinders than bringing in a guy like Corey Perry who just got told to f*** off by the Blackhawks (a trashcan of an organization)

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

I can’t think of anything better for a team clicking on all cylinders than bringing in a guy like Corey Perry who just got told to f*** off by the Blackhawks (a trashcan of an organization)

I agree....they got rid of Tony D and Del Zaster for lesser offenses.

 

[Avery16]

Perry is worth looking into. It’d be nice to know what the alleged misconduct was, and what evidence there is that Perry committed it.

 

[zlev]

yeah it now sounds like what Perry did was a lot worse than the rumor that was going around

rather have Ryan McLeod

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

Perry is worth looking into. It’d be nice to know what the alleged misconduct was, and what evidence there is that Perry committed it.

I may be in the minority but......: the fact that the Hawks -- an organization that should go out of its way to be as transparent as possible after the Kyle Beach fiasco -- suddenly terminates a contract (seemingly out of the blue) of one of its players without revealing to the public exactly what happened, tells me it's all on Perry. That, to me, is a huge red flag to STAY AWAY!!!! (Personally, I think the Hawks are doing Perry a favor by keeping quiet. I doubt the public will ever hear what happened, although I'm sure the info will be provided to any team "looking into" bringing him in.)

 

[Rangers in 7]

I'm more intrigued by finding someone who could augment the group in a different way. I'd like to see more speed and a bit more physicality on the right side.

I'd see what Zucker costs with retention. And I'd still look into Perry

not against either of those as options

 

[MrAlmost]

Kessel is the obvious solution if he has been working out and skating. If not, no worries. But signing him to league minimum is better than trading any assets or bringing up a young player that isn't ready. It messes with the lockeroom chemistry the least as well.

Also, not shocked that some here would see major red flags with Perry and immediately want to f*** up our team with that f***ing circus.

 

[bernmeister]

Perry is worth looking into. It’d be nice to know what the alleged misconduct was, and what evidence there is that Perry committed it.

no

 

[IDvsEGO]

yeah it now sounds like what Perry did was a lot worse than the rumor that was going around

rather have Ryan McLeod

What it sounds like happened is he got trashed at a blackhawks function. I'm guessing theres more to it than just the being absolutely drunk, but being drunk, in front of corp sponsors is a really bad look on its own.

I may be in the minority but......: the fact that the Hawks -- an organization that should go out of its way to be as transparent as possible after the Kyle Beach fiasco -- suddenly terminates a contract (seemingly out of the blue) of one of its players without revealing to the public exactly what happened, tells me it's all on Perry. That, to me, is a huge red flag to STAY AWAY!!!! (Personally, I think the Hawks are doing Perry a favor by keeping quiet. I doubt the public will ever hear what happened, although I'm sure the info will be provided to any team "looking into" bringing him in.)

The fact that the PA hasn't said a peep is more telling.
Their entire job is to prevent this. Perry likely said not to fight it.

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

What it sounds like happened is he got trashed at a blackhawks function. I'm guessing theres more to it than just the being absolutely drunk, but being drunk, in front of corp sponsors is a really bad look on its own.


The fact that the PA hasn't said a peep is more telling.
Their entire job is to prevent this. Perry likely said not to fight it.

I think it's more serious than being intoxicated and acting a fool.

I suspect the reason the PA isn't involved is because it may be a "mutual separation".....if the incident is serious enough for the team to say "that's it", there must be some unspoken deal in place where (a) both parties keep silent, (b) they agree to part ways, and (c) player is placed on waivers in the hope that someone will claim him. The "silence" is huge as it doesn't ruin Perry's reputation and leaves open the redemption door in case another team wants to give him a chance,

 

[TominNC]

Maybe he took Bedard’s first goal out of his locker.

 

[Avery16]

no

I’ve been berned.

 

[Kendo]

I understand the meme that "What Perry did was so bad that even a trashcan organization wouldn't stand for it." I could easily see it cutting the other way, where they've had so much bullshit going on and drawn so much ire that they have to walk on egg shells and act quick to avoid further controversy...especially with such a high profile youngster in the organization.

It could be "he had a bad drunk night, but the org is zero tolerance." If he did something more pitiful than offensive, like Steve Buscemi in the Wedding Singer, then there's no reason to black-list him. I'd at least look into it behind the scenes and see if there's something redemptive there for a Wheeler contract. GM's will obviously find out more and sooner than we will, so I think Drury should sniff around. If it's BAD, then walk away and say nothing.