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Roster Building Thread - Part VIII (2023-24 season)

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TominNC said:
There's one thing you're trying to do on a PP. Score. There's one thing Brodzinski cannot do in the NHL. Score. How is this a match?
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He shoots and he passes. Those skills are mostly the same whether its the AHL or NHL. Being on PP minimizes the difference in skill level between those leagues. This is exactly what you do with someone who is a proven scorer in a lower league. Put them in the best position to capitalize on that ability.
 
Othmann and Berard have 18 and 21 games of pro experience.

Neither of them are really ripping up the A. They've played well, but they haven't been overwhelmingly great. If that changes a month from now then okay, maybe you replace Brodz with one of them but for the time being it doesn't really make sense.

Also, if it was a matter of needing someone to help this team score on the PP (which is a problem that they do not have) then sure, Othmann probably would have been a better decision.

It's better for BOTH of them to eat top 6 minutes in Hartford right now rather than getting 3rd line minutes which would inevitably be cut into late in games/periods where they have a lead. Any special teams time either player would see would be minimal anyway.
 
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GAGLine said:
When Fox and Fil are back, the Rangers should waive Goodrow. I doubt anyone takes him, but if they do, great. If they don't, we assign him to Hartford on off days and accrue cap space that way. It won't matter to Goodrow because he gets the same money regardless.
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Obviously the main point in your post is that the Rangers will have to deal with cap situation due to injuries / LTIR issues and how waiving Goodrow would be a way to address it but I disagree with "great". There are (younger) teams out there that are trying to establish a winning culture that could really use an experienced vet like Goodrow so losing him for free would be disappointing.

I'm also surprised how quiet our "analytical" segment of the posters got re. Bonino because he can win FO and block shots - metrics they used to despise. Why noone is connecting the fact that 1. the current 4th line that is centered by Goodrow looks so much more cohesive now with Bonino off of it and 2. why Kakko and especially Cuylle have become virtually invisible with Bonino in the middle - essentially becoming de facto 4th line based on how much ES minutes Cuylle and Kakko were getting? One can have a contra-argument that Kakko didn't look good away from Bonino to begin with and that Cuylle naturally was due to slow down but IMO it is directly linked to being centered by Bonino.

My point is that Goodrow does make his line (wingers) look much more cohesive than Bonino so losing him would affect the performance of a bottom-6 line.
 
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Shesterkybomb said:
I disagree, you give them a taste, they find out what they need to work on and go back to the AHL hungrier and with an appreciation of what it takes to make it to the next level. It's not a permanent call up, just chuck on of them in for a handful of games.
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You absolutely have the right to disagree but please get back to me with names of first year Hartford prospects 20-21 years of age who got their taste before New Years. On my memory it is not common and there's a reason for why this reward is given later in the season, if at all.
 
kovazub94 said:
Obviously the main point in your post is that the Rangers will have to deal with cap situation due to injuries / LTIR issues and how waiving Goodrow would be a way to address it but I disagree with "great". There are (younger) teams out there that are trying to establish a winning culture that could really use an experienced vet like Goodrow so losing him for free would be disappointing.

I'm also surprised how quiet our "analytical" segment of the posters got re. Bonino because he can win FO and block shots - metrics they used to despise. Why noone is connecting the fact that 1. the current 4th line that is centered by Goodrow looks so much more cohesive now with Bonino off of it and 2. why Kakko and especially Cuylle have become virtually invisible with Bonino in the middle - essentially becoming de facto 4th line based on how much ES minutes Cuylle and Kakko were getting? One can have a contra-argument that Kakko didn't look good away from Bonino to begin with and that Cuylle naturally was due to slow down but IMO it is directly linked to being centered by Bonino.

My point is that Goodrow does make his line (wingers) look much more cohesive than Bonino so losing him would affect the performance of a bottom-6 line.
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No one is giving us an asset for Goodrow unless we retained salary and that would defeat the purpose of moving him. The alternative to "losing him for free" (in my opinion, a homerun) is packaging him with an asset to move his entire cap hit, or buying him out.
 
kovazub94 said:
Obviously the main point in your post is that the Rangers will have to deal with cap situation due to injuries / LTIR issues and how waiving Goodrow would be a way to address it but I disagree with "great". There are (younger) teams out there that are trying to establish a winning culture that could really use an experienced vet like Goodrow so losing him for free would be disappointing.

I'm also surprised how quiet our "analytical" segment of the posters got re. Bonino because he can win FO and block shots - metrics they used to despise. Why noone is connecting the fact that 1. the current 4th line that is centered by Goodrow looks so much more cohesive now with Bonino off of it and 2. why Kakko and especially Cuylle have become virtually invisible with Bonino in the middle - essentially becoming de facto 4th line based on how much ES minutes Cuylle and Kakko were getting? One can have a contra-argument that Kakko didn't look good away from Bonino to begin with and that Cuylle naturally was due to slow down but IMO it is directly linked to being centered by Bonino.

My point is that Goodrow does make his line (wingers) look much more cohesive than Bonino so losing him would affect the performance of a bottom-6 line.
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I'm not anti-Goodrow. I think he absolutely does some things well. But I don't think there's much of a market for him at 3.6 mil for the next 3 years. Maybe in the offseason with the rising cap, but not mid-season. Chicago might have been a possibility, but they just traded for Beauvillier.

My use of "great" was more based on the cap savings, as I think we can replace Goodrow at a cheaper cap hit. Of course, losing Goodrow for nothing and then spending a pick to replace him isn't ideal asset management, but we're probably talking about 4th round picks or later, in either case.

I don't expect that Goodrow would get claimed, so it's probably moot.
 
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UAGoalieGuy said:
Perry is done in the NHL
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Did I miss what happened?

GAGLine said:
I'm not anti-Goodrow. I think he absolutely does some things well. But I don't think there's much of a market for him at 3.6 mil for the next 3 years. Maybe in the offseason with the rising cap, but not mid-season. Chicago might have been a possibility, but they just traded for Beauvillier.

My use of "great" was more based on the cap savings, as I think we can replace Goodrow at a cheaper cap hit. Of course, losing Goodrow for nothing and then spending a pick to replace him isn't ideal asset management, but we're probably talking about 4th round picks or later, in either case.

I don't expect that Goodrow would get claimed, so it's probably moot.
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this was the move to make Day 1 of the season. Waive him and shuttle him back and forth to Hartford on off-days.

In saying that, if he was shuttled on paper down to Hartford, could he practice in NY or would that be no longer possible?

There's a negligible chance that he would be claimed and if they can get out of that contract for free, that's a good thing. And I like Goodrow as a player. He's just more of a $1.75-2m player
 
NYR Viper said:
Did I miss what happened?



this was the move to make Day 1 of the season. Waive him and shuttle him back and forth to Hartford on off-days.

In saying that, if he was shuttled on paper down to Hartford, could he practice in NY or would that be no longer possible?

There's a negligible chance that he would be claimed and if they can get out of that contract for free, that's a good thing. And I like Goodrow as a player. He's just more of a $1.75-2m player
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I would think no, but I'm really not sure. When we were doing the cap dance last year to fit Kane in, I don't recall any mention of whether or not the players sent down could practice with the team.

Edit: I found this in the CBA:

5:00 p.m. Daily Deadline for Counting in Actual and Averaged Club Salary.

(i) For any Player who is on a Club's Active Roster, Injured Reserve, Injured Non-Roster or Non-Roster pursuant to an approved and registered SPC at 5:00 p.m. New York time on a particular day during a League Year, such Player shall receive his Player Salary and Bonuses for that day, and such Player Salary and Bonuses shall be included in the calculation of the Club's Actual Club Salary and Averaged Club Salary for that day.​
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(ii) In the event that an SPC is approved and registered after 5:00 p.m. New York time on a particular day during a League Year, the Player that is party to such SPC shall then be eligible to commence receiving Player Salary and Bonuses in accordance with the terms of the SPC from that Club – and such Player Salary and Bonuses shall be included in the Club's Actual Club Salary and Averaged Club Salary – beginning at 5:00 p.m. New York time on the following day.​
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(iii) Any Player who is not on a Club's Active Roster, Injured Reserve, Injured Non-Roster or Non-Roster pursuant to an approved and registered SPC at 5:00 p.m. New York time on a particular day during a League Year shall be ineligible to play for such Club on that day, and such Player shall be ineligible to receive Player Salary and Bonuses from that Club for that day.​
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(iv) Notwithstanding subparagraphs (i) through (iii) above, in the event that a Player practices or travels with an NHL Club or plays in an NHL game with a Club prior to 5:00 p.m. New York time on a particular day during a League Year, and is subsequently removed from such Club's Active Roster on that day (e.g., sent down to the minor leagues), such Player shall receive his Player Salary and Bonuses for that day, and such Player Salary and Bonuses shall be included in the Club's Actual Club Salary and Averaged Club Salary for that day.​
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So the answer would appear to be no. The player can't practice with the team and not count against the cap.
 
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NYR Viper said:
Did I miss what happened?



this was the move to make Day 1 of the season. Waive him and shuttle him back and forth to Hartford on off-days.

In saying that, if he was shuttled on paper down to Hartford, could he practice in NY or would that be no longer possible?

There's a negligible chance that he would be claimed and if they can get out of that contract for free, that's a good thing. And I like Goodrow as a player. He's just more of a $1.75-2m player
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Incident involving a team employee in Columbus. Can't work in the league if you make it a hostile work environment for other people.
 
GAGLine said:
I would think no, but I'm really not sure. When we were doing the cap dance last year to fit Kane in, I don't recall any mention of whether or not the players sent down could practice with the team.

Edit: I found this in the CBA:


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So the answer would appear to be no. The player can't practice with the team and not count against the cap.
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Damn, that ruins that a bit. That would pretty much mean no practice time for Goodrow
 
NYR Viper said:
But do we know what happened yet?
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Nope, not the specifics which I'm sure will leak at some point.

The most I've seen said that it involved an Perry and employee when they were in Columbus (which was a week ago today.)

It was serious enough for the Hawks to be like "yeah, you're out" but thats as much as we know publicly.
 
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