Rongomania
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Oil tossing the whole team in the bin? Any of those losers worth it? I never even think about that toxic bunch outside of the occasional unrealistic thought about landing depressed McDave.
Roster Building Thread - Part VIII (2023-24 season)
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Johnny Brodz leads the whole AHL in points with 25 in 16 games lol
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Vancouver is going to do everything possible to sign EP. The only way he isn't signing is if he himself demands a trade. They are good this year I dont see a collapse unless they have massive injuries including EP himself.
Lindholm and Tro are not really similar production wise. Tro's last year in Carolina he had 51 pts in 81 games. He needed Panarin last year to break 60 points. Lindholm broke 60 last year without Gaudrea or Tkachuk. What does he do with Panarin? Trading for him either shifts Tro to RW or pushes him down to 3C.
Lindholm handcuffs us at 7M but EP who us going to get 10M doesn't.....
Gourde is okay but older and only signed for 1 more year after this one. Eh Lindholm is a better choice longterm.
I would do the trade in a second I just dont see the logic. Why would Columbus care about more established player as they arent a playoff team for the next few years. They are probably a lotto team for the next few years Move Laine to wing now and play Johnson now if that's an option.
Great idea and I would love Johnson for Chytil swap i just dont see any angle where they would want Chytil for him in a trade.
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Lias Andersson = pure shit.
Put Lias w/any 2 guys, still = shit.
KK has demonstrated success w/kid line, a developing LaF + Chytil.
We are crucifying him for being on line with semi-productive, but limited, no offense Bonino
STOP
Change existing condition, get Pinto if reasonable cost.
Cuylle - Chytil - KK
Pinto another line or spell Chyi if he is done for
listen to bern
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Machinehead
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We keep hearing about how Kakko has demonstrated success. What was his success? Being a 0.39 PPG player for his career?
Nobody is overreacting to Kakko's 3 points in 19 games. I think everyone is expecting he goes on a run of production at some point. I think what people are saying is that it's 19 games into his fifth season and he isn't any better than what he was.
Sure, the third line sucks right now. It's basically a fourth line without Chytil. That's something to consider. That being said, Kakko wasn't producing with a LW that's on pace for 56 goals. Kreider and Zibanejad have started to produce at 5v5 as soon as we got Kakko away from them.
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pts/60 is similar. Their production is similar.
Being handcuffed by a young true 1C vs a soon to be 30 year old middle6C, is slightly different
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Lindholm made more sense for us 2 years ago. Id rather have Mika-Trocheck-Chytil down the middle long term, than upset the status quo with a soon to be 30 year old on a 7m+ AAV.
The one thing that I think is worth pointing out is that the team, in general, has gotten way too loose defensively.
Their 5v5 offense has been better this month (not great, but better) but its come at the expense of their defense. This free wheeling WEEEEEE hockey is not the way forward.
I realize that some of this is heavily influenced by the injuries and some games just end up taking on a theme that neither team really wants (Boston for instance, where they just basically traded chances the entire game) but they've gone from basically forcing teams to play the way they want to play to letting the other team dictate how the game is going to be played. They've won despite that and honestly have had pretty decent metrics while doing it but I still don't like those trends.
Their 5v5 offense has been better this month (not great, but better) but its come at the expense of their defense. This free wheeling WEEEEEE hockey is not the way forward.
I realize that some of this is heavily influenced by the injuries and some games just end up taking on a theme that neither team really wants (Boston for instance, where they just basically traded chances the entire game) but they've gone from basically forcing teams to play the way they want to play to letting the other team dictate how the game is going to be played. They've won despite that and honestly have had pretty decent metrics while doing it but I still don't like those trends.
Premature but I like Brown, McLeod, and Kulak as role players
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Was this really the case? I think they had a few poor games with Wheeler before they started to finally click. At which point you wonder, is it because Kakko was removed from that line? Or just Zibanejad finally unf***ing himself, regardless of who's the third wheel(er) on that line.
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There's certainly correlation there and it stands to reason that production improved because they replaced a career 0.39 PPG player with a career 0.81 PPG player.
It's always like, mental gymnastics with Kakko. Linemates this, and shooting luck that.
250+ NHL games are telling us he's just not very good at scoring.
It's really just been the last 2 games if we're talking about raw production.
They've generated more offense as a trio than Kreider-Zib-Kakko did though (3.32 xGF/60, which is the best of ANY line we've had this year including both combos with Panarin.)
On the downside, they've taken a massive hit defensively (2.93 xGA/60, 2nd worst of any line behind the shit show 4th line we saw earlier this year that I'm worried will be reunited once Chytil returns) but that may be a necessary evil with that trio. Zibanejad has always created most of his offense off the rush and if you play that way, it's likely going to go back the other way for chances too. He's getting paid to score so you have to lean into that even if it goes against what you as a team want to do.
I'm still on board with splitting Kreider and Zibanejad. Kreider can play a hybrid rush/cycle game and the latter goes away when he's with Zibanejad and I also grow tired of watching our 2 best goal scorers overpass their way out of quality chances when they're playing together.
I still don't get the fascination with Pinto. Some people wanted to move Laf for him. Now we're moving Kakko for a guy who is suspended, and had less point than Kakko last season and in general? I'm not saying he isn't be a good/solid player but I don't see a reason to shake up the roster with a guy who hasn't done much(which granted neither player has) and sure he was on a bad team but already is suspended, had contract negotiation problems and who knows how well he'll gel into a role on this team after being out for half the year and needing to get up to speed. Also sure the points are coming this season for KK but even though +/- is a meh stat at least you know KK can be responsible, with his only 3 points this season he's still a + and with Pintos 35 points last season he was a -21. I can see it as an offseason deal but in season I just think it's too much of an unknown unless nyr are getting something extra in return.
The board has an unending fascination with all ny born players.
you are missing the pt
Of production is down BECAUSE OF lack of linemates w/chemistry/ability
Give me Cuylle + Chytil and decent amount of time o measure, and ok, THEN let's judge
anyone wants to trade now for less than clear profit all factors in consideration IS OVERREACTING
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The guy I Keep coming back to is Barrett Hayton. Both he Kakko have had up and down starts to their NHL careers. Hayton is a center which would be a nice addition to a team needing help down the middle possibly. They are about half a year apart in age. Both are strong possession players via their 5v5 CF% and FF% stats. I'm not sure if it would be 1 for 1 or which side would need to add a sweetener but I could see it.
Machinehead
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He started the year on the first line!!
Again, I think the whole sell low/high thing is overstated. You can sell high after a huge year. You would be selling low after a huge disappointment. Kakko is having a normal ass year. He's solid defensively and he'll probably get somewhere between 30 and 40 points in bunches.
The only people overreacting to his production are the people insisting that his value has tanked compared to where it was because of a 19-game stretch. I doubt he's viewed any differently around the league than he was. Some teams won't be interested and some teams will think they can turn him around. The latter probably still think that.
Fox full participant at practice today. Looks poised to return within the next week.
HFDocs take their 8900923982392309230th consecutive L.
Chytil also skated on his own.
HFDocs take their 8900923982392309230th consecutive L.
Chytil also skated on his own.
Machinehead
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Didn't you hear? Chytil's career is over.
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I heard they held a private memorial for him last week...
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