Roster Building Thread - Part VIII (2023-24 season)

[effen]

I wouldn’t have passed on Perrault, but if Perrault busts, we surely need to learn from that. As it stands I’m kind of out of drafting pass first wingers in general except for special cases that are by far BPA like Perrault was, but there definitely are some strengths to going into a draft with some rules before hand

I think most teams are like that. Pass first wings are not a valued commodity league wide, and line chemistry is weird so it's not like you can stick a goal scoring center with a pass first wing and hit the jackpot.

See: Mika and Bread.

 

[bernmeister]

Can Henrique still play? Feels dirty because of his Devils history but he seems like a good fit as a middle 6 guy who can play on any line. Good career faceoff numbers, kills penalties. Missed some time over the past couple seasons but hes always been good for a 35-40 point ~20 goal pace.

The other guy Id be all over if the Kraken continue to fall out of the race would be Gourde. Getting him for 2 years with money retained would be a homerun. I would trade Kakko for him.

no

 

[bigdog16]

Yeahhhhh no they do not.

Its truly amazing how some here are reacting as if Zib has not gotten off to a slow start before. Is this worse than other years, sure. But he is right there. He is still doing the other things on the ice well enough to not be some black hole out there. He is a responsible player and is a leader on this team. He is going to be fine.

I am one that isn't too worried about Zib, I know he will figure it out. But he has looked like shit this year. He is gripping the stick way too hard right now

Maybe they should actually attempt to draft a center this time. Chytil was the last one.

"Draft a center" is such a flawed logic because 75% of the players "drafted as centers" end up as wingers at the next level anyways. You take BPA every time, and twice on Sunday. Shouldn't even be a debate

 

[Savant]

I think most teams are like that. Pass first wings are not a valued commodity league wide, and line chemistry is weird so it's not like you can stick a goal scoring center with a pass first wing and hit the jackpot.

See: Mika and Bread.

Right, but again this is why I’m not drafting pass first wingers in the first round unless they are far and away the BPA.

I wanted Dobson over Kravtsov. I wanted Byfield over Lafreniere (which is kind of funny because Byfield settling on the wing for now), I wanted Wallstedt over Othmann (not exactly going to take L on that) but thought Perrault was a slam dunk. I wanted Kakko (but liked Hughes better), etc.

it’s just personal preference though. It’s not an exact science

 

[AirGut]

just give me Steven Stamkos in NYR blue somehow

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

just give me Steven Stamkos in NYR blue somehow

It’s a 1000000000x better fit than Kane but I wouldn’t want to pay the rental price.

I’d consider it in the offseason on a shorter deal though.

 

[Synergy27]

I am one that isn't too worried about Zib, I know he will figure it out. But he has looked like shit this year. He is gripping the stick way too hard right now


"Draft a center" is such a flawed logic because 75% of the players "drafted as centers" end up as wingers at the next level anyways. You take BPA every time, and twice on Sunday. Shouldn't even be a debate

How is this flawed logic? All you are pointing to is the fact that if a kid that has played center his whole life can’t hack it as a center in the pros, he can still maybe play the wing because it’s easier. The inverse is never, or very rarely, true.

If I were running the draft room, the only time I take the wing is if there is a massive talent discrepancy. There’s a lot more margin for error when taking a center, and it’s rare that the best forwards in Junior aren’t playing center anyway.

 

[bigdog16]

How is this flawed logic? All you are pointing to is the fact that if a kid that has played center his whole life can’t hack it as a center in the pros, he can still maybe play the wing because it’s easier. The inverse is never, or very rarely, true.

If I were running the draft room, the only time I take the wing is if there is a massive talent discrepancy. There’s a lot more margin for error when taking a center, and it’s rare that the best forwards in Junior aren’t playing center anyway.

Because taking anything other than BPA has been proven time and time again to bite teams in the ass. You take BPA because after pick 15 the draft is an absolute crapshoot in the NHL.

 

[effen]

Right, but again this is why I’m not drafting pass first wingers in the first round unless they are far and away the BPA.

I wanted Dobson over Kravtsov. I wanted Byfield over Lafreniere (which is kind of funny because Byfield settling on the wing for now), I wanted Wallstedt over Othmann (not exactly going to take L on that) but thought Perrault was a slam dunk. I wanted Kakko (but liked Hughes better), etc.

it’s just personal preference though. It’s not an exact science

Laf was drafted not as an elite pass first winger though, he was drafted as a winger version of Crosby, elite grinder whose biggest asset was competitiveness (LOL).

 

[Savant]

Laf was drafted not as an elite pass first winger though, he was drafted as a winger version of Crosby, elite grinder whose biggest asset was competitiveness (LOL).

That’s lousy scouting then/sipping media Kool Aid to even have Crosby’s name invoked. Especially comparing a winger to Crosby is dumb. But anyway Lafreniere, in the Q, was having double the amount of assists compared to goals; carrying his point totals. And obviously his physical traits were not under the microscope. Yeah 100 point winger is cool, but how did they get there? Being in a lousy league and the vast majority of those points coming from assists is a red flag to me. I wanted Byfield

 

[McRanger92]

That’s lousy scouting then/sipping media Kool Aid to even have Crosby’s name invoked. Especially comparing a winger to Crosby is dumb. But anyway Lafreniere, in the Q, was having double the amount of assists compared to goals; carrying his point totals. And obviously his physical traits were not under the microscope. Yeah 100 point winger is cool, but how did they get there? Being in a lousy league and the vast majority of those points coming from assists is a red flag to me. I wanted Byfield

He was only compared to Crosby because Laf was chasing his records at Rimouski. No one with a brain was expecting a Crosby like talent pre-draft.

 

[EdJovanovski]

Connor Bedard, Jack Hughes and Quinn Hughes headline TSN's Top 50 Under-24 players | TSN

Chicago's sensation is No. 1 on TSN’s annual list of the Top 50 NHL-affiliated players and prospects aged 23 or younger as of this season’s start.

www.tsn.ca

Neither our 1st or 2nd overall picks made their top 50 U24 players

 

[effen]

He was only compared to Crosby because Laf was chasing his records at Rimouski. No one with a brain was expecting a Crosby like talent pre-draft.

The comparison wasn't about high level talent being 1:1 between the two, it was about being driven to win or whatever nonsense makes a good narrative while being very talented.

 

[CasusBelli]

There's no limit on regular buyouts, but there's no way Mika is getting bought out, so it's moot.

I meant three to four years from now

 

[Kovalev27]

Perrault hasn’t done anything as a pro yet so yes I’d stick to my philosophy

Love the pick though was a steal. But I’d stick to my philosophy year in year out.

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

How long do we give Chytil before we LTIR him and look for a replacement? Xmas/New Year? Any updates?

 

[duhmetreE]

just give me Steven Stamkos in NYR blue somehow

he's not leaving Tampa imo

 

[Synergy27]

Because taking anything other than BPA has been proven time and time again to bite teams in the ass. You take BPA because after pick 15 the draft is an absolute crapshoot in the NHL.

No one knows who the best player is.

 

[Shadowtron]

Did I miss an update? lol!!

 

[mas0764]

Can Henrique still play? Feels dirty because of his Devils history but he seems like a good fit as a middle 6 guy who can play on any line. Good career faceoff numbers, kills penalties. Missed some time over the past couple seasons but hes always been good for a 35-40 point ~20 goal pace.

The other guy Id be all over if the Kraken continue to fall out of the race would be Gourde. Getting him for 2 years with money retained would be a homerun. I would trade Kakko for him.

You are always trying to run off kids too early though.

 

[jerseyjinx94]

Trading Kakko for Gourde is wildly bad. Patience…

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

I wish Edmonton had players I wanted that they'd actually trade in season.

Seattle has a few.

 

[Flan the incredible]

Lindholm would be hated almost immediately if the Rangers traded for him.

He is not that good.

Buch isn't the answer either unless you want someone else who is going to get swallowed in the playoffs.

Tell me why the former 40 goal scorer who finished 2nd in selke voting isn't that good.

 

[egelband]

Centers are overdrafted already. See: tons of examples.

The correct position is BPA

Always. Team need ideas fluid. Just get the best guys and trade them if necessary. Not sure why many don't understand this. I'd argue that every GM knows this too but they make mistakes.

 

[egelband]

How long do we give Chytil before we LTIR him and look for a replacement? Xmas/New Year? Any updates?

I don't have any proof but I feel like there's a procedural reason for not having both guys on ltir. I guess when Fox comes off chytil goes on retroactively.