Roster Building Thread - Part VIII (2023-24 season)

[Savant]

Honestly wheeler hasn't been this incredible replacement for him on that line. Kreids and Zibs look exactly the same, if not even more quiet with Wheels. It's nice to see Kak has chemistry with Cuylle, that should really sprout a great line. They need a center. We really need Chytil healthy.

Though with all the Lindholm talk, what
are the takes around here about guys who have seen him play RE: How would lindholm potentially look in between Kak/Cuylle ?

Think that would be a great spot for him. Would be happy to LTIR Chytil and get Lindholm in

 

[egelband]

I’m guessing Chytil goes on LTIR when Fox comes off it. Not sure why but clearly they have left him off LTIR for some reason.

 

[egelband]

If Kakko can’t be a scorer, how about moving him to C. At least he can maximize his defensive skill.

 

[Paulie Walnutz]

 

[bernmeister]

Chemistry is important
With enuf experience, guys can adjust more readily
But KK has not had enough mins w/quality fits [a la kid line]
LaF finally skating well enuf so ok

The correct line here is
Cuylle - Chytil - Kakko

keep the faith
stop cannibalizing youth w/counterproductive win now foolishness

 

[GAGLine]

I’m guessing Chytil goes on LTIR when Fox comes off it. Not sure why but clearly they have left him off LTIR for some reason.

Because putting him on LTIR doesn't make any difference. It would increase our LTIR cap space, but we aren't going to spend that money, so it's moot.

When Fox comes off, we may put Chytil on retroactively, but we don't want to use LTIR cap space if we don't have to. While using it, we won't be accruing any cap space.

 

[SA16]

I’m guessing Chytil goes on LTIR when Fox comes off it. Not sure why but clearly they have left him off LTIR for some reason.

Because LTIR has to do with the salary cap and putting him on it has no advantage right now. LTIR has nothing to do with a players actual injury status, provided you know he will miss/has already missed the required 10 games. A team well below the cap, like the Blackhawks who are 10M below, have basically no reason to put any player on LTIR this year.

 

[McRanger92]

I think Vinny Mercogs broke this fanbase. We had a good run.

I’m 99% sure Vince lurks here. Every article where he tries to have an original thought is a copy/paste from the RBT

If Kakko can’t be a scorer, how about moving him to C. At least he can maximize his defensive skill.

I’d like to try that

 

[UnSandvich]

We'll look better (hopefully) once Fox & Chytil are back, but I really do think Zibanejad's 5v5 play is a serious problem. There's been times where he honestly looked like he wasn't even trying.

Among the 300 F's with at least 150 min's played, he's got the 6th worst P/60 at 5v5. The only guys worse at the moment are Yakov Trenin, Keegan Kolesar, Peyton Krebs, Anders Lee (lol), and Josh Anderson (lol).

The good news is that "nowhere to go but up" might actually be true here.

 

[Bacon Artemi Bravo]

I’m 99% sure Vince lurks here. Every article where he tries to have an original thought is a copy/paste from the RBT



I’d like to try that

This is absolutely the place to go if you want to find anything remotely insightful about this hockey team. There are great ideas, terrible ideas, creative ideas, batshit crazy idea and a ton of passion. You could probably just copy and paste a few posts to Chat GPT and be a beat writer these days lol

 

[egelband]

Because putting him on LTIR doesn't make any difference. It would increase our LTIR cap space, but we aren't going to spend that money, so it's moot.

When Fox comes off, we may put Chytil on retroactively, but we don't want to use LTIR cap space if we don't have to. While using it, we won't be accruing any cap space.

I mean, I understand that it doesn’t do anything for the cap but my point is, why would they put Fox on LTIR and not Chytil? Clearly Chytil is the more seriously injured but for some reason he’s still not on LTIR. There has to be a reason.

 

[IDvsEGO]

I mean, I understand that it doesn’t do anything for the cap but my point is, why would they put Fox on LTIR and not Chytil? Clearly Chytil is the more seriously injured but for some reason he’s still not on LTIR. There has to be a reason.

Because theres no time frame on a concussion. He could've been ready this week. Fox had a time frame

 

[egelband]

Because theres no time frame on a concussion. He could've been ready this week. Fox had a time frame

They could put him on retroactively any time.

 

[B17 Apricots]

It's unfortunate Barry Trotz is "resetting/retooling" rather than selling the lot. "Collecting assets as they transition". He says they're building around a 29 year old Forsberg and 33 year old Josi. They have NMCs so they dont really have a choice if they won't waive ... but I don't like their timelines. Between their current buyouts and retained salary they have awful dead cap for multiple years. Same boat as Minnesota, they won't be able to put together a contender until that dead cap is at a reasonable number. Josi and Forsberg will be fairly old by then. You'd think they'd sell off the rest but Trotz is reiterating that's not the case. He said they intend on locking up Novak and Saros. Just shot down trade talk for Saros. He'll be 30 when he gets a new deal. That'll be something to follow as the season goes on. Trotz has said this is a transition year so he seems perfectly content if they flounder. We'll see what spare parts he trims off toward the dead line. Maybe someone becomes available.

Point of the post... Tommy Novak is someone I'd be looking at if he can't strike a deal with Nashville. He is on the IR right now for the next month with an upper body injury. Former teammate of Lindgren in college. Making 800k, pending UFA this summer. It'd give us another option at center, but really he's someone I'd like to try and stick on the wing with Zibanejad and Kreider. They're responsible defensively, get someone on their wing that can generate offense. Novak is one of those Verhaeghe/Stephenson types that kinda just blew up out of nowhere. You won't find many players right now that can produce the way he can for under a million dollars. We can fit that cap hit

 

[Fitzy]

This is absolutely the place to go if you want to find anything remotely insightful about this hockey team. There are great ideas, terrible ideas, creative ideas, batshit crazy idea and a ton of passion. You could probably just copy and paste a few posts to Chat GPT and be a beat writer these days lol

The question is; when do I get my engagement $$$$

I deserve recompense for my insights

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

Kakko 4 Zegras
Kakko 4 Zegras
Kakko 4 Zegras
Kakko 4 Zegras
Kakko 4 Zegras

 

[Clark Kellogg]

I’m 99% sure Vince lurks here. Every article where he tries to have an original thought is a copy/paste from the RBT



I’d like to try that

Coincidence? Someone on here called out Jonny Lazarus for being silly by asking Alexis Lafrenier “if he was going to go home and watch his S/O goal”.
The next day when Lazarus was on the DFO, Jonny said he felt silly for asking Alexis that question.

 

[Clark Kellogg]

Kakko 4 Zegras
Kakko 4 Zegras
Kakko 4 Zegras
Kakko 4 Zegras
Kakko 4 Zegras

There’s a 3.65 million discrepancy in salaries.
If it were to happen, it would have to wait till next season.

 

[Black Tank]

5v5 Points (P/60) this year:

Panarin- 12 (3.18)
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Trocheck- 8 (2.31)
Laf- 8 (2.23)
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Gus- 7 (1.78)
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Vesey- 5 (2.63)
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Cuylle- 4 (1.35)
Chytil- 4 (1.76)
Schneider- 4 (1.13)
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Kreider- 3 (0.94)
Miller- 3 (0.65)
Trouba- 3 (0.66)
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Wheeler- 2 (.71)
Pitlick-2 (1.83)
Fox- 2 (0.8)
Kakko- 2 (0.62)
Jones- 2 (1.55)
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Zibanejad- 1 (0.31)
Goodrow- 1 (0.47)
Lindgren- 1 (0.27)
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Bonino- 0
Brodz- 0

Bench Brodz.

But also, who the f*** gives up on a 6'2" 205lb 22 year old player with 4 years of NHL experience who can be trusted in his own end and is cheap? The New York f***ing Rangers fanbase still butthurt because of the player's draft position. If Kakko were on some other team, those same fans would be putting absurd trade proposals to try and get him cheap.

And and and, the Rangers don't need to do a motherf***ing thing. They're playing great hockey even down some key players. They've got a 7th D in Jones who's shown he can play and they've got some guys in HFD who can step in and cover among the Fs.

The best way to build this roster is to keep it together and plug in some of the HFD players, at least for the foreseeable future.

 

[Psycho for Perreault]

Bench Brodz.

But also, who the f*** gives up on a 6'2" 205lb 22 year old player with 4 years of NHL experience who can be trusted in his own end and is cheap? The New York f***ing Rangers fanbase still butthurt because of the player's draft position. If Kakko were on some other team, those same fans would be putting absurd trade proposals to try and get him cheap.

And and and, the Rangers don't need to do a motherf***ing thing. They're playing great hockey even down some key players. They've got a 7th D in Jones who's shown he can play and they've got some guys in HFD who can step in and cover among the Fs.

The best way to build this roster is to keep it together and plug in some of the HFD players, at least for the foreseeable future.

The same fans wanted to trade Jones for a mid draft pick like 2 weeks ago.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Imo Kakko will be better when Chytil is back, he doesn't seem to work well with the upper level players we have and seems more comfortable with his peers. You need to leave Trochek with French Bread, put Cuylle Chytil and Kakko together and i guarantee that line will produce

 

[IDvsEGO]

Imo Kakko will be better when Chytil is back, he doesn't seem to work well with the upper level players we have and seems more comfortable with his peers. You need to leave Trochek with French Bread, put Cuylle Chytil and Kakko together and i guarantee that line will produce

I really worry about this type of analysis.
He wasn’t the issue with Mika and Kreider.
His play has been more than fine and he didn’t deserve to be bumped down, if anything it was Kreider or mika who deserved that.
This is corroborated by both advanced stats and eye test.

He plays really well with cuylle, the issue is bonino.
People want to move a very good defensive forward who has skill and size but has had bad luck, and makes 2.2 in cap this year, because he’s not also put up 30 points already.

 

[NYR Viper]

I really worry about this type of analysis.
He wasn’t the issue with Mika and Kreider.
His play has been more than fine and he didn’t deserve to be bumped down, if anything it was Kreider or mika who deserved that.
This is corroborated by both advanced stats and eye test.

He plays really well with cuylle, the issue is bonino.
People want to move a very good defensive forward who has skill and size but has had bad luck, and makes 2.2 in cap this year, because he’s not also put up 30 points already.

My concern isn't that he hasn't put up 30 points yet. It's that he hasn't scored AT ALL.

 

[Psycho for Perreault]

My concern is we have a roster that is working and want to change it for funsies. Line 1 with Kakko was analytically a top 10 line in the league. Most here say Kakko has looked better with Cuylle. Now we want to move him? We can have a defensively sound line 3 with offensive potential with Chytil. Why would we break that up before it happens? Can't any of you just enjoy the team winning?

 

[IDvsEGO]

My concern isn't that he hasn't put up 30 points yet. It's that he hasn't scored AT ALL.

I get you’re being hyperbolic. But 1g/1a, and Mika and Ck have both barely scored.
He was robbed of points by both Mika and Ck. And the amount that cuylle and he forcheck, they’ll score easily once bonino is off that line.