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Speculation: Roster Building Thread Part VII: Return of Beaver Brad

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They probably view some kids in much higher regard than people on here.

I can't say that inspires much confidence, but maybe they think Fontaine, Gropper or Nieves can step in for 20-30 games with Andy being in the fold.
 
Mac n Gs said:
Uh, relative to Glass? Yeah. But I guess Jensen being Hartford's best forward by a mile and having a much better stint than Glass at the NHL level means nothing. There's no reason Jensen couldn't be a contributing 4th liner on the Rangers this season.
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It is kind of strange, usually there is no room for the Jensen, Hrivik types because the team filled up with Stoll and Glass types, now when they could be possibly used they are not around.
 
Mikos87 said:
They probably view some kids in much higher regard than people on here.

I can't say that inspires much confidence, but maybe they think Fontaine, Gropper or Nieves can step in for 20-30 games with Andy being in the fold.
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Gropp needs to be ready this year. he's a high 2nd round pick who just scored 84 in 66 in the WHL... He needs to take a step up to at least the AHL and then hopefully be ready for his cup of coffee. Rangers cannot afford another 2015 pick to bust especially since Kovacs is trending down already...
 
TheTakedown said:
Gropp needs to be ready this year. he's a high 2nd round pick who just scored 84 in 66 in the WHL... He needs to take a step up to at least the AHL and then hopefully be ready for his cup of coffee. Rangers cannot afford another 2015 pick to bust especially since Kovacs is trending down already...
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He can play a 4th line game right now. They need to coach him on is switches and coverage, the rest is there in spades.

He was awful last fall, but imo was a beast for a few months straight.

Effort, size and speed are there.

Kovacs has the wheels but the off ice stuff... That's a bit too dangerous for my liking. Smarts are not there...
 
Are we complaining about Jensen again? We qualified him. He felt it was better for his long term future to play a year in the KHL and hopefully increase his value. What were we supposed to do there?
 
How many forwards do we have that can PK, though? You can find spots for guys like DD and Puempel (not convinced he's worse than Vesey) and maybe even Lias and Gropp, but I can't say I like the balance at all.

I guess it's not a huge worry because you can always get that extra body for Holden or a 4th round pick.
 
nyr2k2 said:
Are we complaining about Jensen again? We qualified him. He felt it was better for his long term future to play a year in the KHL and hopefully increase his value. What were we supposed to do there?
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Wasn't complaining. I was saying I'd rather have him than Glass if it came down to bringing back a 13th forward from last season
 
I think Rangers W depth is one of the best in the league. I do not see anyone regressing from last year. Oldest Rangers wingers Nash and Zucc showed no signs of decline in 16-17. Anything can happen but I am optimistic they both will come at least close to how they performed last season. Then you have Kreider and Miller, both should be good. A lot will depend on Buch and Vesey progressing. Healthy, more experienced, better conditioned Buch could be huge for the team as his skill is tremendous. I am not saying he will put up 60 points but 40-45 point prediction is realistic for him IMO. I also hope that so many NHL scouts were not wrong about Vesey and he will have a better season overall. If he can continue his postseason performances, that is again a big plus for Rangers. Having Grabner and Fast on 4th line is luxury for Rangers, even if Grabner does not score 20+ again. Defense is very good.
Goaltending is a bit of a concern, as is lack of center depth. But IMO, Rangers are play-off team even with this question marks. If Hank is playing great and center depth proves to be good enough, then Rangers are contenders.
 
Mac n Gs said:
The defense is on paper. We'll see how it shakes out at camp
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I don't agree. There are teams out there like Nashville, Carolina, Columbus with multiple 1D's with tons of continuity. At best, we might have a 1D, 2D, 3D, 4D, 5D and 6D, but that doesn't account for still having AV's boys Staal and Holden, doesn't account for asking for many new pieces who lack familiarity with each other, relying on rookies if Staal and Holden are held accountable for their play.

Its a good defense on paper. If anyone's banking on us having one of the best defenses in the NHL as what's going to get us to the playoffs, I don't think its very likely we are getting there.

I think we are going to miss the playoffs, it was too much of a disjointed plan from the GM this summer. He made some "all in" moves and then some rebuild moves. He didn't make up his mind, and he has this team stuck half way. Halfway does not work.
 
McD37 said:
I think Rangers W depth is one of the best in the league. I do not see anyone regressing from last year. Oldest Rangers wingers Nash and Zucc showed no signs of decline in 16-17. Anything can happen but I am optimistic they both will come at least close to how they performed last season. Then you have Kreider and Miller, both should be good. A lot will depend on Buch and Vesey progressing. Healthy, more experienced, better conditioned Buch could be huge for the team as his skill is tremendous. I am not saying he will put up 60 points but 40-45 point prediction is realistic for him IMO. I also hope that so many NHL scouts were not wrong about Vesey and he will have a better season overall. If he can continue his postseason performances, that is again a big plus for Rangers. Having Grabner and Fast on 4th line is luxury for Rangers, even if Grabner does not score 20+ again. Defense is very good.
Goaltending is a bit of a concern, as is lack of center depth. But IMO, Rangers are play-off team even with this question marks. If Hank is playing great and center depth proves to be good enough, then Rangers are contenders.
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If you take Miller from wing and move him to center, thats a big dent to the wing depth. We also don't have any of the best wingers in the league, so to be somewhat competitive in that department, we need good depth.
 
Mac n Gs said:
Uh, relative to Glass? Yeah. But I guess Jensen being Hartford's best forward by a mile and having a much better stint than Glass at the NHL level means nothing. There's no reason Jensen couldn't be a contributing 4th liner on the Rangers this season.
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Wow congrats he was Hartford's best player, does he get a participation trophy for that prestigious honor? Wasn't Hartford one of the worst teams in the league? Much better stint in the NHL? Is that why Glass got a pto while Jensen is in Europe? If Jensen is so good how come nobody offered him a contract in the NHL? I remember he scored a couple goals in the meaningless irrelevant World Championships and everyone hyped him up. He sucks, no loss. Same for Marek "Solid Board Play" Hrivik.
 
Pavel Buchnevich said:
I don't agree. There are teams out there like Nashville, Carolina, Columbus with multiple 1D's with tons of continuity. At best, we might have a 1D, 2D, 3D, 4D, 5D and 6D, but that doesn't account for still having AV's boys Staal and Holden, doesn't account for asking for many new pieces who lack familiarity with each other, relying on rookies if Staal and Holden are held accountable for their play.

Its a good defense on paper. If anyone's banking on us having one of the best defenses in the NHL as what's going to get us to the playoffs, I don't think its very likely we are getting there.

I think we are going to miss the playoffs, it was too much of a disjointed plan from the GM this summer. He made some "all in" moves and then some rebuild moves. He didn't make up his mind, and he has this team stuck half way. Halfway does not work.
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The offense maybe got worse. The defense jumped lightyears ahead of itself. We were a 100pt team last year. Maybe not a cup contender here, but it seems ridiculous to look at our roster as one that misses the playoffs without some bad injuries. Our center depth last year was Stepan, Hayes, Lindberg, and Pirri for more than half the season. I don't consider that better than what we're looking at now. We were ok.
 
nyr2k2 said:
Are we complaining about Jensen again? We qualified him. He felt it was better for his long term future to play a year in the KHL and hopefully increase his value. What were we supposed to do there?
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You QO to retain rights, but typically there are more substantial negotiations before a contract is signed.
 
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Paulie Walnutz said:
Wow congrats he was Hartford's best player, does he get a participation trophy for that prestigious honor? Wasn't Hartford one of the worst teams in the league? Much better stint in the NHL? Is that why Glass got a pto while Jensen is in Europe? If Jensen is so good how come nobody offered him a contract in the NHL? I remember he scored a couple goals in the meaningless irrelevant World Championships and everyone hyped him up. He sucks, no loss. Same for Marek "Solid Board Play" Hrivik.
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No one could offer him an NHL contract except us. He was our RFA, and we QOd him.
 
TheDirtyH said:
The offense maybe got worse. The defense jumped lightyears ahead of itself. We were a 100pt team last year. Maybe not a cup contender here, but it seems ridiculous to look at our roster as one that misses the playoffs without some bad injuries. Our center depth last year was Stepan, Hayes, Lindberg, and Pirri for more than half the season. I don't consider that better than what we're looking at now. We were ok.
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And the goaltending got much worse. Went from probably the best back up in the NHL to the worst. How many points is that worth? Hank should only get worse. I hope he gets better, but the trend of goalies his age is worse, not better.

There are many who have suggested we could miss the playoffs. The guy at the Athletic, I think there was a USA Today columnist who said so, some people here have stated that. Take a look at the main boards, there was a poll up for the top cup contenders, we were listed 11th, 3 teams in our division ahead of us, the three everyone would expect. We have a tough division to begin with. Maybe we are a top 16 team in the NHL, but I don't agree with the assertion that we'll make the playoffs, barring injuries. I think we could, but I think its very much on the fence this year. I don't think we can throw out injuries as the excuse if we don't make it. We might not be good enough, we'll have to wait and see.
 
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Avery16 said:
You QO to retain rights, but typically there are more substantial negotiations before a contract is signed.
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I don't believe that's typical. I think what's typical is the guy signs the qualifying offer. Most qualifying offers are signed and there isn't a need for further negotiations.

Jensen wanted to negotiate because he either wanted more money out of the Rangers or a one-way contract or something. Or maybe he was dead-set on going to the KHL to try to build value and wouldn't have taken any offer from the Rangers short of some million-dollar offer that he had not yet earned.

So again, I don't know what people wanted the Rangers to do. Give him more money? Does that even guarantee he'd stay? Is it even worth obsessing about for a fringe guy like Jensen?
 
You gotta play miller at center. That's all I'm saying

Vesey Hayes Grabner is a good third line.

Desharnais next to Fast is a very good 2/3rds of a fourth line.

There's zero depth though. No Pirri to jump in. No Glass to give u hard mins. Puempel can't stay healthy. Hard to trust him.

Defense is light years better. I bet pavelec is fine. More worried about hank than pavelec.
 
TheDirtyH said:
The offense maybe got worse. The defense jumped lightyears ahead of itself. We were a 100pt team last year. Maybe not a cup contender here, but it seems ridiculous to look at our roster as one that misses the playoffs without some bad injuries. Our center depth last year was Stepan, Hayes, Lindberg, and Pirri for more than half the season. I don't consider that better than what we're looking at now. We were ok.
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That's a good point. Stepan was average all year, I don't see him being much better than he was 2 seasons ago...

DD is basically the equivalent of a 4th line player in my opinion which means we are probably running Zib-Hayes-Miller-DD down the middle. If Andersson is ready it means him and miller will probably alternate wing and center
 
Kovalev27 said:
You gotta play miller at center. That's all I'm saying

Vesey Hayes Grabner is a good third line.

Desharnais next to Fast is a very good 2/3rds of a fourth line.

There's zero depth though. No Pirri to jump in. No Glass to give u hard mins. Puempel can't stay healthy. Hard to trust him.

Defense is light years better. I bet pavelec is fine. More worried about hank than pavelec.
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I'm with you on the bold, for sure. I'm slightly worried about Hank, maybe not as much as you are, but it's obviously a concern.
 
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