Speculation: Roster Building Thread Part VII: Now with less frenzy!

[LORDE]

I think we’re all aware of this, but that doesn’t explain basically giving him away.

Would a single person here have been upset if the Rangers traded Nash @ 50% for a 1st + Lindgren?

Funny that so many posters kill Gorts for not trading for X for Y and Z but maybe in this instance Boston wanted Nash and they wanted to unload Belesky and Gorts held firm in getting Spooner also.

I don’t know at all I just feel like Boston didn’t throw him away... they HAD to include him to get the deal done... Gorts figures he’ll get something more from him @ some point... on the ice AND in trade

 

[Kakko Schmakko]

Anybody think Bigras has a legit chance to make this team or we lose him for nothing on waivers?

 

[TheTakedown]

Anybody think Bigras has a legit chance to make this team or we lose him for nothing on waivers?

Probably nothing on waivers ... he was tested for gravrs who didn't even get an nhl game with us

 

[eco's bones]

Acquiring Spooner wasn't something I was expecting either. His production and Nash's was pretty much a wash. Definitely confusing trade when you break it down from Boston's POV.

Nash was just a better all around player than Spooner though. What Boston was hoping for was a goal scoring winger. Apart from that Nash was very good defensively and a very good penalty killer. IMO they were hoping for those goals--they were hoping they'd enhance their second line attack. They were also figuring he would be useful in areas other than offense.

Spooner's point production turns out a little bit than Nash's and there's no reason to think he won't be 40+ again but he's not much of a goal scorer. His high is 13 and he's not going to help your penalty kill. In Boston he became a guy that they'd put on their pwp to make a play but he wasn't a guy they really wanted on their top two lines because they didn't think he was reliable enough. He was like their 7th/8th forward a guy they would move up in an emergency and move back down when the emergency was over. He was pricey for what he was and he was closing in on free agency and to get Nash they had to get rid of salary. IMO the best stuff we got of the deal was the 1st and Lindgren.

 

[Beer League Sniper]

Anybody think Bigras has a legit chance to make this team or we lose him for nothing on waivers?

Bigras played very well for Hartford down the stretch. I think he has as good a chance as any to come in and steal a spot in camp. Most of the other guys he'll be competing with haven't spent any time in the AHL, either.

 

[Fitzy]

Anybody think Bigras has a legit chance to make this team or we lose him for nothing on waivers?

It's plausible that they keep him on the roster as a #8 scratch- or they simply hope that he clears waivers.

 

[effen]

Funny that so many posters kill Gorts for not trading for X for Y and Z but maybe in this instance Boston wanted Nash and they wanted to unload Belesky and Gorts held firm in getting Spooner also.

I don’t know at all I just feel like Boston didn’t throw him away... they HAD to include him to get the deal done... Gorts figures he’ll get something more from him @ some point... on the ice AND in trade

Simplest explanation is most teams wanted to send back some salary which Boston didn't want, and the ones who could absorb him completely wanted to play their existing prospects and young guys over what they thought he was. Not a Gritty McGrit, never hear about him "in the room" so at best he's just a guy, at worst he can be a problem. So he goes for ~nothing. Not that crazy.

 

[Tawnos]

It's plausible that they keep him on the roster as a #8 scratch- or they simply hope that he clears waivers.

I’d be pretty surprised if someone claimed him. If he doesn’t make the Rangers, of all teams, out of camp, there aren’t going to be a lot of teams interested.

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

I’d be pretty surprised if someone claimed him. If he doesn’t make the Rangers, of all teams, out of camp, there aren’t going to be a lot of teams interested.

Yeah every team will be waiving their version of Bigras at the same time

 

[Kakko Schmakko]

Yeah every team will be waiving their version of Bigras at the same time

yeah, usually there are so much excess of defensemen which is why I am not a big fan of drafting them in the 1st round or giving them long term contracts. So much competition there, you want to have the freedom to play the best ones, not be stuck with a Staal or Girardi. And you also don't want to accumulate too many and lose good players for nothing at waivers or have to throw them in in a trade as a sweetener getting almost no value back.

 

[Tawnos]

yeah, usually there are so much excess of defensemen which is why I am not a big fan of drafting them in the 1st round or giving them long term contracts. So much competition there, you want to have the freedom to play the best ones, not be stuck with a Staal or Girardi. And you also don't want to accumulate too many and lose good players for nothing at waivers or have to throw them in in a trade as a sweetener getting almost no value back.

Just... no. Quality defensemen are hard to find.

 

[silverfish]

If you can excuse the 'nerdom', presentation going live right now about why bridge deals are crap...



If you see this late, I think the timestamp on it should probably be around 1h 8 minute mark

disclaimer: this was easily the worst presentation of the day that I've seen.

 

[Irishguy42]

If you can excuse the 'nerdom', presentation going live right now about why bridge deals are crap...



If you see this late, I think the timestamp on it should probably be around the 2h mark.

disclaimer: this was easily the worst presentation of the day that I've seen.

but the 2h mark is the end... (for me)

 

[Kakko Schmakko]

Just... no. Quality defensemen are hard to find.

only if you are only looking for those Leetch type high scoring ones. If you have a good system and good goalie then it is not hard to find good defensemen, throwing 6 year deals at the likes of Staal and Girardi makes no sense.

 

[Tawnos]

only if you are only looking for those Leetch type high scoring ones. If you have a good system and good goalie then it is not hard to find good defensemen, throwing 6 year deals at the likes of Staal and Girardi makes no sense.

Thats still not accurate.

 

[silverfish]

but the 2h mark is the end... (for me)

Was hard to tell watching live. Seems what you're actually looking for is the 1h 8 min mark.

 

[Irishguy42]

Was hard to tell watching live. Seems what you're actually looking for is the 1h 8 min mark.

Oh neat. Right after Mike Murphy. Nice!

 

[silverfish]

Oh neat. Right after Mike Murphy. Nice!

Mike was great. That dude exudes passion for the game.

 

[Paulie Walnutz]

Funny that so many posters kill Gorts for not trading for X for Y and Z but maybe in this instance Boston wanted Nash and they wanted to unload Belesky and Gorts held firm in getting Spooner also.

I don’t know at all I just feel like Boston didn’t throw him away... they HAD to include him to get the deal done... Gorts figures he’ll get something more from him @ some point... on the ice AND in trade

I also think Gorts wanted Spooner so he can be a stop gap for a couple of years until the kids are ready. He knew there would be a significant roster turnover and he knew he would need guys for a couple of seasons as fillers, and then eventually try to flip them for assets down the road. You can’t have a complete roster of unproven kids, even in a rebuild. Also, even if the Rangers were dumb enough to do that, they wouldn’t have enough prospects to employ that strategy anyway. Spooner and even a guy like Namestnikov are fillers who can fill in now and help with the rebuild, and at the same time are still in their primes and don’t cost a fortune. It’s a good position to be in for Gorton, they play well and he can either trade them for assets or re-sign them if it’s within reason. It’s win/win.

 

[RangerBoy]

Training camp begins on September 13. Twenty day camp. Regular season starts on October 3.

Camp begins 4 weeks from this Thursday.

Boston had cap issues. Nash had a huge cap hit. Even 1/2 was too much. The Rangers took on 1/2 of Beleskey and Spooner's money to make the trade work.

“Internally, I know we’re excited at where we’re at,” assistant general manager Chris Drury recently told The Post. “You can have all the picks and make the trades, but you have to pick the right guys. In hindsight, getting some feedback around the league, I think organizationally we’re excited about who we got.”

“If you look back to the draft in Chicago, getting Lias and Filip in that first round, and then the three picks this year, then you addd in Howden, Hajek and Lindgren, a lot of good pieces have been added since Chicago,” Drury said. “And in our opinion, some very exciting pieces.”

https://nypost.com/2018/08/12/rangers-changed-everything-by-committing-to-youth-movement/

The Rangers need more. The 2019 is loaded with quality players. The NHL Network picked up the TSN broadcast of the World Junior Showcase and the Hlinka-Gretzky Cup. 19 first rounders in 2018 played in the 2017 Hlinka tournament. So many quality players in both events. The Rangers need to be a part of that.

Hopefully,TB wins the Cup. They should have won last season. They were a better team than Washington. That team needs to break through soon or Yzerman may have to think about breaking up that team which might be difficult with everyone signed to big contracts.

 

[kovazub94]

Training camp begins on September 13. Twenty day camp. Regular season starts on October 3.

Camp begins 4 weeks from this Thursday.

Boston had cap issues. Nash had a huge cap hit. Even 1/2 was too much. The Rangers took on 1/2 of Beleskey and Spooner's money to make the trade work.





https://nypost.com/2018/08/12/rangers-changed-everything-by-committing-to-youth-movement/

The Rangers need more. The 2019 is loaded with quality players. The NHL Network picked up the TSN broadcast of the World Junior Showcase and the Hlinka-Gretzky Cup. 19 first rounders in 2018 played in the 2017 Hlinka tournament. So many quality players in both events. The Rangers need to be a part of that.

Hopefully,TB wins the Cup. They should have won last season. They were a better team than Washington. That team needs to break through soon or Yzerman may have to think about breaking up that team which might be difficult with everyone signed to big contracts.

Brett C is in his summer form. The whole article is propped up by a few quotes from Chris Drury but the way these are captured - you need to read a few times for them to make sense. Then he thinks that Rykov will be in the Rangers preseason camp and, I think, he was writing about Keane but instead he called him Ragnarsson.

 

[egelband]

Just... no. Quality defensemen are hard to find.

I think he’s saying that there are a lot 4-5-6 type defensemen. So it’s not wise to sign those guys long term. I’m sure everyone agrees it’s fine to sign a star defenseman to a long term deal.

 

[I Eat Crow]

Training camp begins on September 13. Twenty day camp. Regular season starts on October 3.

Camp begins 4 weeks from this Thursday.

Boston had cap issues. Nash had a huge cap hit. Even 1/2 was too much. The Rangers took on 1/2 of Beleskey and Spooner's money to make the trade work.





https://nypost.com/2018/08/12/rangers-changed-everything-by-committing-to-youth-movement/

The Rangers need more. The 2019 is loaded with quality players. The NHL Network picked up the TSN broadcast of the World Junior Showcase and the Hlinka-Gretzky Cup. 19 first rounders in 2018 played in the 2017 Hlinka tournament. So many quality players in both events. The Rangers need to be a part of that.

Hopefully,TB wins the Cup. They should have won last season. They were a better team than Washington. That team needs to break through soon or Yzerman may have to think about breaking up that team which might be difficult with everyone signed to big contracts.

The Rangers will have at least two first rounders next June. Their own and at least one more in dealing Hayes, Zuccarello, amongst others. Tampa winning the Cup will give the Rangers three 1sts again.

At what point do the Rangers use some capital to acquire pieces that will be a part of the rebuild that aren't all 18 years old? GM's are hesitant to trade young players. It only happens when they stagnate and can get another young player in return. Domi for Galchenyuk. Chayka took Bergevin to school there. I think Galchenyuk will find his form again playing in a lower pressure market. I don't know what will happen with Domi. He can go either way.

DeAngelo is going to sink or swim this season. On his 3rd organization before he turns 23. Trade him while he still has some value if he does not show improvement. Pionk already passed him on the depth chart.

 

[mrmovies779]

only if you are only looking for those Leetch type high scoring ones. If you have a good system and good goalie then it is not hard to find good defensemen, throwing 6 year deals at the likes of Staal and Girardi makes no sense.

This is really terribly inaccurate

 

[Rongomania]

The Rangers will have at least two first rounders next June. Their own and at least one more in dealing Hayes, Zuccarello, amongst others. Tampa winning the Cup will give the Rangers three 1sts again.

At what point do the Rangers use some capital to acquire pieces that will be a part of the rebuild that aren't all 18 years old? GM's are hesitant to trade young players. It only happens when they stagnate and can get another young player in return. Domi for Galchenyuk. Chayka took Bergevin to school there. I think Galchenyuk will find his form again playing in a lower pressure market. I don't know what will happen with Domi. He can go either way.

DeAngelo is going to sink or swim this season. On his 3rd organization before he turns 23. Trade him while he still has some value if he does not show improvement. Pionk already passed him on the depth chart.

The whole ‘DeAngelo V. Pionk’ debate is so fascinating to me.

You have ADA, who is a complete wild card, he can honestly go either way. Everyone can give their opinions, but the truth is that we have absolutely no clue what this kid is going to bring. And with Pionk, we were all salivating at what he could possibly turn into, but it’s been beaten to death around here that it was an incredibly small sample size. He too can go either way, were we fooled? Will he continue to progress and be a key part of this team for a long time? It’s an interesting situation to watch.

I think a lot of this is also hinging on the fact that ADA and Brady looked damn good together (for that limited time, but c’mon, we all saw it). If that continues to be a thing and gets better and better, then I think that would be huge. ADA got hurt right when that pair was progressing on a nightly basis. This, to me, would be the best case scenario.

We’re all getting a lot of answers this upcoming season. That is for damn sure.