Speculation: Roster Building Thread Part VII: Now with less frenzy!

[Tawnos]

For Namestnikov, I look at who he played with and his production level with and without. He will not be riding shotgun for such talented players next year. For Spooner, he lacks Grabner's speed and has not met a corner he does not like to avoid. Maybe he surprises (which would be great), but I have my doubts.

Namestnikov still put up 35 points without those players three years ago, which is on par with Grabner. He had a down year two years ago. He’ll put up 3rd line numbers this year. You weren’t getting more from Grabner.

I don’t know why it would be a surprise for a guy in Spooner who hit 40+ in 2 of 3 full NHL seasons to hit 40+ again. And 39 in 78 the other year. People want to think that his crazy stretch last year was an aberration, but he was pacing 50 points in Boston too. Frankly, I don’t know what the Bruins were thinking with that trade.

 

[FIRE DRURY]

Frankly, I don’t know what the Bruins were thinking with that trade.

It was a very good trade by Gorton. Boston knew they needed help if they were going to get past Pit, Was, or TB. Nash was playing well there prior to his concussion too.

 

[Tawnos]

It was a very good trade by Gorton. Boston knew they needed help if they were going to get past Pit, Was, or TB. Nash was playing well there prior to his concussion too.

And I get that Spooner is a streaky guy, plus playing style in general is a factor. Though Nash is a streaky guy too.

And I have to remember that the Rangers did take on half of Beleskey’s contract and retained half of Nash’s, significantly upping the value. Still.

 

[FIRE DRURY]

And I get that Spooner is a streaky guy, plus playing style in general is a factor. Though Nash is a streaky guy too.

And I have to remember that the Rangers did take on half of Beleskey’s contract and retained half of Nash’s, significantly upping the value. Still.

Acquiring Spooner wasn't something I was expecting either. His production and Nash's was pretty much a wash. Definitely confusing trade when you break it down from Boston's POV.

 

[NYR Viper]

Acquiring Spooner wasn't something I was expecting either. His production and Nash's was pretty much a wash. Definitely confusing trade when you break it down from Boston's POV.

If we look at what Carl Hagelin returned a few years ago, we are seeing that teams towards the top of the cap are hesitant to sign these borderline 3rd liners for big dollars. Cap space is valuable. It's possible Boston was not willing to re-sign him at all and just wanted to shed cap.

 

[FIRE DRURY]

If we look at what Carl Hagelin returned a few years ago, we are seeing that teams towards the top of the cap are hesitant to sign these borderline 3rd liners for big dollars. Cap space is valuable. It's possible Boston was not willing to re-sign him at all and just wanted to shed cap.

Possibly, but a player in his mid-20's who can produce around 40p a season should have value around the league. We got ass ****ed in the Hagelin trade. Emerson ****ing Etem. Terrible trade.

Worst comes to worst, Boston could have just flipped Spooner for a 2nd plus a prospect, which is what Grabner got. No need to shed a contract that can be flipped for something.

 

[Inferno]

In case anyone is interested Dimitri filipovic and I have had a discussion regarding the rangers and their rebuild and he addressed part of it today in his podcast with Craig custance
Feel free to give it a listen. Dimitri is really awesome to talk with FYI.

 

[I Eat Crow]

Boston didn't want to pay Spooner long term.

My best friend interviewed for a position within Boston's analytics department two years ago. One of the interview questions that Don Sweeney gave him was "What kind of contract would you offer Ryan Spooner this summer?" This was when he was RFA and arbitration eligible. My friend gave a similar answer to what they actually did, but didn't get the job, and Spooner got dealt to the Rangers.

Boston didn't want to pay him long term. They dealt him. It does not appear that the Rangers want to pay him either. He's either going to get a nice long term deal after this current one if he plays well or he'll get 1 to 2 year journeyman deals if he produces at a 40 point or less pace.

 

[Tawnos]

Boston didn't want to pay Spooner long term.

My best friend interviewed for a position within Boston's analytics department two years ago. One of the interview questions that Don Sweeney gave him was "What kind of contract would you offer Ryan Spooner this summer?" This was when he was RFA and arbitration eligible. My friend gave a similar answer to what they actually did, but didn't get the job, and Spooner got dealt to the Rangers.

Boston didn't want to pay him long term. They dealt him. It does not appear that the Rangers want to pay him either. He's either going to get a nice long term deal after this current one if he plays well or he'll get 1 to 2 year journeyman deals if he produces at a 40 point or less pace.

I think we’re all aware of this, but that doesn’t explain basically giving him away.

Would a single person here have been upset if the Rangers traded Nash @ 50% for a 1st + Lindgren?

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

In case anyone is interested Dimitri filipovic and I have had a discussion regarding the rangers and their rebuild and he addressed part of it today in his podcast with Craig custance
Feel free to give it a listen. Dimitri is really awesome to talk with FYI.

What did he say to you?

 

[effen]

I think we’re all aware of this, but that doesn’t explain basically giving him away.

Would a single person here have been upset if the Rangers traded Nash @ 50% for a 1st + Lindgren?

The were at the cap and needed to dump Spooner's salary to make it work.

They also wanted to play Donato over Spooner to begin with, and had Gionta coming in. Spooner had no place on the team.

The real question is why they didn't trade Spooner for a 3rd or something to literally anyone else.

 

[NoQuitInNewMexico]

I was going to defend Boston - Nash didn't do too much there, but we're using hindsight - but then I remembered Thomas Vanek was basically given away to Columbus. The rental market is so weird every year.

 

[Tawnos]

The were at the cap and needed to dump Spooner's salary to make it work.

They also wanted to play Donato over Spooner to begin with, and had Gionta coming in. Spooner had no place on the team.

The real question is why they didn't trade Spooner for a 3rd or something to literally anyone else.

Yeah that’s what I’m saying.

 

[MyLoveIsBlue]

 

[BBKers]

Teams with low expectations have a tendency to overachieve. With all the pressure off next year that freedom may give the entire team an unexpected boost.

 

[pld459666]

That is a big bet. Not sure I agree. It could be that I just do not think that much of either player. But I have a hard time picturing either of them replacing Nash's or Grabner's production.

Spooner already surpassed Nash.

I expect 40 points from Namaste which would cancel out Grabner

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

I'm in agreement that we are going to be better than expected.

The losses I think we are going to feel are McDonagh and Miller.

I think we are going to get the same numbers from Namaste and Spoons that we Nash and Grabner.

Overall, not a playoff team, but I can see this team playing hard and surprising folks

Maybe similar point production but they're going to fall way short on the goal scoring.

We're going to feel the loss of all of those guys. Nash and Grabner were a huge part of our PK which was actually pretty damn good until they started moving everyone.

But the challenge with an optimistic approach is that it relies a lot on everyone being healthy and no one taking any steps back.

This is it right here.

I'd add that it would also require quite a few people to take a pretty significant step forward.

Doesn't change the fact that my statement is for all intents and purposes, factually correct. This is something that actually happened. Facts are not narratives. I guess the narrative you have a problem with is "Anything can happen in hockey!"?

I mean you're right it is factual but it's also not rooted in reality.

The second we get to pluck players off of other rosters and then have them almost all collectively over achieve then we can have this discussion.

We can't, and they won't.

 

[LiveLongandProspal]

Only one new player (Freddy Claesson). Definitely un-Rangerslike. Sather must've been locked in his California home without any reception to call Gorton.




TBH, I can't remember the last time I've been less excited for a season.

 

[Inferno]

Only one new player (Freddy Claesson). Definitely un-Rangerslike. Sather must've been locked in his California home without any reception to call Gorton.




TBH, I can't remember the last time I've been less excited for a season.

I'm the opposite. I know we're not gonna win and I'm only watching for the kids...I'm excited

 

[Fvital92]

Only one new player (Freddy Claesson). Definitely un-Rangerslike. Sather must've been locked in his California home without any reception to call Gorton.




TBH, I can't remember the last time I've been less excited for a season.

Just focus on the development of Chytil and Andersson and enjoy the KZB line, you will be able to enjoy the season at least a bit.

 

[Ori]

Only one new player (Freddy Claesson). Definitely un-Rangerslike. Sather must've been locked in his California home without any reception to call Gorton. TBH, I can't remember the last time I've been less excited for a season.

Glen S. is in Oslo this weekend.
Personally I don`t really mind - I still believe we have a stronger team now compare to last season, because our depth is better and if one of the young defenders is NHL ready it will be amazing,
I admit it`s really difficult to evaluate the whole team at the moment and predict a table position with a new coaching staff, system, Kevin S. is healthy, Smith looks really motivated too who loss weight - so I`ve a notion he will play NHL this season and have a strong performance and season for us.

And if one of Chytil or Lias, or maybe even Libor is ready for the next step it would be awesome, and let`s say 2 of those 3 players have a strong season well anything can happened in Rangers Town, and personally when I examine Vegas. And they went to Stanley cup final last season with a new team and coach which is not better than our current team at all on paper.

I`m really positive for this season and hyped up and I hope the new coaching staff is successful, and cross fingers that they can achieve a much stronger season maybe even playoffs in April 2019.

My brief point Jeff Gorton went for depth to keep both Nam & Spooner including Hayes, because we don`t really know how our players will perform in a new system so in that reguard it`s no surprise that Gorton waited this summer window to build team depth which he did and kept most of our new signings from last season.

 

[NYRFANMANI]

I'm the opposite. I know we're not gonna win and I'm only watching for the kids...I'm excited

me too. I'll definitely watch and hype the kids, if they play with the big club. If not, I'll still try and watch as much as I can.

 

[Tawnos]

I'm the opposite. I know we're not gonna win and I'm only watching for the kids...I'm excited

Me too. Mostly I’m excited about the freshness of the situation. Things had gotten stale (and not just because of AV)

 

[FIRE DRURY]

Me too. Mostly I’m excited about the freshness of the situation. Things had gotten stale (and not just because of AV)

This “core” had numerous valiant attempts. Things did get stale. The rebuild definitely surprised many of us, but at the same time I feel it was necessary.

We saw this kind of massive overhaul during our last rebuild (if you want to call it that). And you’re right, it was very exciting.

Gorton is doing a full rebuild though, unlike Sather. We have a lot more exciting things to look forward to than Jozrf Balej.

 

[Tawnos]

This “core” had numerous valiant attempts. Things did get stale. The rebuild definitely surprised many of us, but at the same time I feel it was necessary.

We saw this kind of massive overhaul during our last rebuild (if you want to call it that). And you’re right, it was very exciting.

Gorton is doing a full rebuild though, unlike Sather. We have a lot more exciting things to look forward to than Jozrf Balej.

Sather planned on doing one too, but the combination of Lunqvist and the Jagr resurgence changed things. Even then, he pretty much didn’t trade young assets for 6 years aside from the occasional 2nd or 3rd rounder.