Speculation: Roster Building Thread Part VII: Now with less frenzy!

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We need to see the NYR system do well at Traverse City and then The Wolfpack as well... until those happen I don't see how the NYR will be any better than bottom 5 with this roster.

Eh Traverse city is fairly meaningless

Even the Wolfpack don't actually have to be good, but you want to see the players down there with supposed NHL futures doing well and getting callups. Miller, Kreider, etc all did well and came up to the Rangers. If, say, Andersson and Chytil struggle in the AHL but the Wolfpack manages to do well somehow, I don't think that's an overall good thing for the Rangers.

I’m not even sure about the islanders. Those who point to our coaching change as to while we will improve always fail to acknowledge theirs.

JT is a big, big loss but hey finally have an adult behind the bench who knows how to squeeze our 2-1 wins.

is their goaltending and defense up to that though even with a coaching change.
 
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Whatever you say about this board, generally there's a consensus view (obviously with some individual outliers). The fact that we cannot agree and opinions are ranging from bottom-3 to playoff bubble team is really indicative of the uncertainty coming into this season. My guess is that we will again wind up in the 7-12 lottery marsh.

This team does not have depth but if there're no prolonged injury absences then Kreider, Zibanejad, Buchnevich, Zuke, Hayes and Spooner is a pretty decent top 6. Then we have Fast, Namestnikov, Vesey, Chytil and Andersson and a couple of other options to round up the forward group. Pretty much ALL of them (except for Zuke) have some room and motivation for improvement.

Same goes for defense including a return to form from Shattenkirk and Smith.

As someone already stated there's awfully a lot of certainty in the opinions of where this team will wind up. With all of the potential and question marks it's reasonable to guess it is likely won't be the worst and the best possible scenario, but somewhere in the middle. My $0.02
 
Eh Traverse city is fairly meaningless

Even the Wolfpack don't actually have to be good, but you want to see the players down there with supposed NHL futures doing well and getting callups. Miller, Kreider, etc all did well and came up to the Rangers. If, say, Andersson and Chytil struggle in the AHL but the Wolfpack manages to do well somehow, I don't think that's an overall good thing for the Rangers.



is their goaltending and defense up to that though even with a coaching change.
I don't know... our Traverse teams have been crap for years now... it would be nice to see some skill in a NYR sweater and have us do a little damage there.

I get your point but to a degree but if we don't have a decent TC team this year and next will we ever?
 
I don't know... our Traverse teams have been crap for years now... it would be nice to see some skill in a NYR sweater and have us do a little damage there.

I get your point but to a degree but if we don't have a decent TC team this year and next will we ever?

It's a prospect camp made up of prospects from major juniors and USHL/AHL players. European and college players aren't included so it's definitely not something to take into account when rating a team's prospect pool.

But, it would be nice to have a team that wins TC for once. Last year it was the first in a long time we actually had a competitive team with prospects to get excited about.
 
I don't know... our Traverse teams have been crap for years now... it would be nice to see some skill in a NYR sweater and have us do a little damage there.

I get your point but to a degree but if we don't have a decent TC team this year and next will we ever?

Why? Obviously it’s good to have a good farm. But I don’t know about Traverse. Often it’s guys like Kristo and co who performs well there besides some top prospects coming a little late out of juniors.
 
He didn't inspire anything, he was literally the only reason why they won most of the games they won.

The thing with goalies is when they lose it, it almost always happens over night. The defense isn't good no matter how you slice it, collectively its a bottom 5 unit, at least on paper.

More than the defense, I think the offense is going to be what holds this team back. They aren't going to score as much as we've been them accustomed to scoring.
That’s fair I suppose, as far as goalies go. Hank has been streaky his whole career. When he was younger and more dominant they were a lot more forgivable especially when he was single handedly winning games even back then. My point is, he just last year proved he still had it in him to do that. Until he starts really showing some serious regression I’m going to assume he’s going to do something similar to some degree at some point this year.

I’m not saying they are going to be anything special. If they had a Cinderella season for this team that’s probably a bubble team with some excitement. More likely they’re going to stumble out the gate, the offense will show signs of legitimate talent and chemistry at a couple spurts, Hank will steal some games at a couple stretches, they will show small signs of promise at times. Unfortunately though, the D is still a mess (and about to undergo what I feel like is a two year rotating audition we’re about to watch), there is inevitably going to be injuries even if nothing serious, and it’s still a rookie coach’s first season at the helm coming back from college.

There’s a lot of question marks, some things that can go either way and influence any level of success. Even if it’s to a marginal degree there’s so many small things that could influence how bad we are. The roster is far from devoid of serious talent. The team just isn’t constructed to win and it will be noticeable.

I loathe AV for those actions. What an *******
Yeah that was when I was officially done with him.
 
I don't know about the Canucks. But I agree that Ottawa, Islanders, and Montreal will definitely finish below us. Puts us right in the 4th fo 7th place wheelhouse.
Yeah I see us in the 5 to 9 range...so I'm picking 7.

I could see Ottawa Carolina isles Montreal Vancouver and Arizona all being worse just off the top of my head.
 
I could see a few more teams than that being worse (Buffalo, Calgary, Jackets if Panarin gets moved)

I could also see us being worse than all of them outside of Ottawa.
 
Arizona will be better then us. They already have some players better then anyone on the Rangers. They have a former Ranger who is better then anyone we currently have. Big reason we were terrible last year was the loss of Stepan. As much as everyone on here hated him, losing him hurt us big time.
 
Arizona will be better then us. They already have some players better then anyone on the Rangers. They have a former Ranger who is better then anyone we currently have. Big reason we were terrible last year was the loss of Stepan. As much as everyone on here hated him, losing him hurt us big time.
I have heard this for years. I think I believe in big foot more than I do the possibility of Arizona being good next season.
 
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Las Vegas went to the Stanley cup final with a bunch of leftovers amongst a few genuinely solid players. I choose to remain optimistic for our chances at winning a cup this year
 
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It also took the guts of a burglar to trade McDonagh, who was going to be too old and too expensive to re-sign next summer. It wasn’t easy to trade Nash, who loved it in New York.

The only move that arguably went against the grain was the signing last summer of Kevin Shattenkirk, then age 28, for four years and an annual cap hit of $6.65 million. But Shattenkirk wasn’t Plan A – the Rangers tried to temporarily fill the Stepan hole by signing free agent Joe Thornton, before Thornton decided to stay in San Jose, a move that would have cost only money. When Shattenkirk took the home-team discount, the Rangers snagged him.

“This is something that, as an organization, we felt like we went through a certain point and we had to look in the mirror and find out what was next,” Gorton said in June. “This is part of that. … Is it daring? I don’t know. We’re doing what we think is the right thing moving forward, going where we want to go.”

Let it be known, though, that not only is a rebuild a courageous move, especially in New York, but it doesn’t guarantee anything. It may not be quick, it may not be completely successful – though it looks pretty good so far.

Since the Islanders’ dynasty began in 1980, only one team has won a Stanley Cup, torn it completely down, and won again. That was Pittsburgh, which happened to have the good fortune of getting Sidney Crosby and Evgeni Malkin after years of terrible hockey. And since the Edmonton dynasty ended in 1990, pretty much every Cup champion has first gone through several, if not many, seasons of suffering before building a roster that made it through four playoff rounds and got rings.

One of those teams was Boston, which was built in part by an interim GM named Jeff Gorton, who traded for Tuukka Rask, drafted Brad Marchand, Patrice Bergeron, Phil Kessel and Milan Lucic, and signed Zdeno Chara.

It will be certainly interesting to see if the fan base in New York has the patience that the front office has, and will require.

But it had to be done, and Gorton, so far, has shown the fearlessness and fortitude to do it.

Rangers offseason evaluation series: GM Jeff Gorton

The front office needs to some patience and resist signing a free agent to a 7 year contract.

Chicago was just bad for a very long time and their fortunes changed with two draft picks.
 
Well, that. And signing Brian Campbell for 8 years in 2009 ;)

That was 2008. And then Marian Hossa for a million years in 2009 as well. Campbell came after having missed the playoffs for 8 of 9 previous seasons... then they missed again before signing Hossa.

So yes, they got those two draft picks in Kane and Toews to build around. They also got crazy lucky that, even though their 3rd overall D selection busted, they found an HOF defenseman in the 2nd round. And they bolstered their rebuild with free agent signings and trades.

The Blackhawks are very instructive on the need to utilize all channels of player acquisition. The thing that really turned the team around wasn’t the draft picks. It was Bill Wirtz’s death, followed by his son’s willingness to put money into the team. Even with Kane, Toews and Keith in the draft, they never win the Cups if their ownership continued to refuse to spend on the roster.
 
Rangers offseason evaluation series: GM Jeff Gorton

The front office needs to some patience and resist signing a free agent to a 7 year contract.

Chicago was just bad for a very long time and their fortunes changed with two draft picks.

RB, what about the Chara signing? Gorton seemed to key in on a specific guy to help speed along their 'rebuild'. Do you think Gorton will do the same in NY?
 
That was 2008. And then Marian Hossa for a million years in 2009 as well. Campbell came after having missed the playoffs for 8 of 9 previous seasons... then they missed again before signing Hossa.

So yes, they got those two draft picks in Kane and Toews to build around. They also got crazy lucky that, even though their 3rd overall D selection busted, they found an HOF defenseman in the 2nd round. And they bolstered their rebuild with free agent signings and trades.

The Blackhawks are very instructive on the need to utilize all channels of player acquisition. The thing that really turned the team around wasn’t the draft picks. It was Bill Wirtz’s death, followed by his son’s willingness to put money into the team. Even with Kane, Toews and Keith in the draft, they never win the Cups if their ownership continued to refuse to spend on the roster.


They made it to the conference finals the year before signing Hossa.

I think that’s a good model to follow though. Need to draft our own Kane though.
 
That was 2008. And then Marian Hossa for a million years in 2009 as well. Campbell came after having missed the playoffs for 8 of 9 previous seasons... then they missed again before signing Hossa.

So yes, they got those two draft picks in Kane and Toews to build around. They also got crazy lucky that, even though their 3rd overall D selection busted, they found an HOF defenseman in the 2nd round. And they bolstered their rebuild with free agent signings and trades.

The Blackhawks are very instructive on the need to utilize all channels of player acquisition. The thing that really turned the team around wasn’t the draft picks. It was Bill Wirtz’s death, followed by his son’s willingness to put money into the team. Even with Kane, Toews and Keith in the draft, they never win the Cups if their ownership continued to refuse to spend on the roster.
I've been hammering away at this point all summer long and since the rebuild started. It's great to get lucky in the draft lottery and draft an elite player, maybe even two or three of you're really lucky. The front office also needs to supplement that elite talent with good fortune in trades and in free agency.

I'm pro Karlsson (to an extent) and pro Panarin and/or Seguin at any cost for next summer for this reason.
 
You know what’s so funny to me, we bitch and moan about every angle of this process, yet I think that we all fail to realize we’re in such a win-win spot this upcoming season. If everything goes wrong and all of the wheels fall off we have a seriously good shot at landing and elite guy, but if we pull off a Cinderella story with a bunch of hot rookies on the team, that will only build their confidence and make them hungrier and in turn, they’ll already be able to teach the next crop of kids who come up next season. Call me crazy, call me overly optimistic, but hot damn Gorton has one smart hockey brain.
 
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