Roster Building Thread: Part VII (2023-24)

[Amazing Kreiderman]

They must have updated the site, like this morning - because hes listed as 188View attachment 742917

Correct. It was still 181 lbs yesterday.

 

[HockeyBasedNYC]

As JD would say, he could "talk the wheels off a greyhound" lol

But I love Othy's enthusiasm.

He has a cockiness about him that is necessary to the type of game he plays. At the same time he's articulate, passionate and you get a good sense he's genuine. I'm sure Amazing Kreiderman can vouch for that.

Hoping he comes into camp and pushes himself into the lineup. If he doesnt (which is expected), hes got the right attitude to go to work in the A and prove he's a pro and belongs with the big club

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Imo Othmann will make the team after Christmas.

 

[haohmaru]

Vince:

Will have interview with Laviolette next week on podcast.

Motte, as we suspected, had talks with the Rangers but asked for a raise from his 1.2M and, obviously, the Rangers had other ideas about that

Short clips from Othmann saying he can play either side and acknowledged RW would be an easier path to making the team.

 

[Machinehead]

If you lift your head up from your stat charts and look how Panarin plays in the playoffs you see a superstar that's been a flop in the post season. The issue is that his style demands that the other players on his line adapts to his game - which in turn causes other issues with other lines i.e. it impacts the entire top three lines. For the Rangers to be a winning team in the post season Panarin is a player that must take the lead and make the entire line and team around him better. The last couple of years he's been far from that.

Yes, Panarin is excellent at making good stats for himself, but this is a team game and that sh*t doesn't fly. He is a superstar who disappeared up his own rear end not long after coming to New York. That's the truth and fancy personal stats doesn't change that fact.

Those aren't Panarin's stats. Those are the team's stats when he's on the ice. Kind of punches a hole in your point.

I do think there's an element of truth to the idea that he's alien to the rest of the team but that's because the team has league-worst speed and near league-worst puck skills.

Regardless, he still makes the players around him a lot better.

Criticizing his performance in the playoffs is valid as I've said many times, but the implication that he's out of shape or no longer effective can be disproven by his regular season performance.

Frankly, the repeated wild speculation that guys are out of shape just demonstrates an inability to come up with a better analysis.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

He was a malnourished shrimp among shrimps in his junior years. The path from that to a standout physical specimen (at his peak) in terms of relative strength and conditioning in a professional league is a big jump.

He isn't really a specimen. He's a guy who is naturally skinny who put some time in a weight room as he got older. Panarin is shredded, but his physique isn't anything overly insane (not that this is the only sign, but its usually a pretty good indicator.) There are other "late bloomers" who I'm way more sus of.

Plus its not like his body itself has really changed. There are certain things in his game which have fallen off and those are things that I don't think are coming back unless he decides to dabble in the world of pharmaceuticals.

 

[Machinehead]

I like Othmann but I feel he's being mischaracterized as a dominant physical presence.

He's 190 pounds and I don't see him having the legs to get in on the forecheck.

His offensive numbers impressed me more than anything else and I think he profiles more as a rat who can score.

 

[Kords]

I like Othmann but I feel he's being mischaracterized as a dominant physical presence.

He's 190 pounds and I don't see him having the legs to get in on the forecheck.

His offensive numbers impressed me more than anything else and I think he profiles more as a rat who can score.

Who is characterizing him as that? He can throw big hits when he picks his spots, but what you outlined is exactly what he’s been advertised as since we’ve drafted him. At least from what I’ve seen and heard.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

Othmann will definitely be a player who goes out and throws a big hit often enough. He has always played that game and noticeably steps up his physicality in bigger games. But I don't see him as Fast type player who throws 6 little hits a game to waste his energy, or a Callahan who throws his body at everything that moves non-stop.

 

[Machinehead]

Who is characterizing him as that? He can throw big hits when he picks his spots, but what you outlined is exactly what he’s been advertised as since we’ve drafted him. At least from what I’ve seen and heard.

Just in the last couple of pages he's been referred to as "physical," "dominant," "an alpha male," and "a specimen."

He'll throw a few hits, that's for sure, but just speaking on the style and not making an ability comparison, he's more Marchand than Tkachuk.

 

[duhmetreE]

Othmann reminds me of a TJ Oshie variant. Where he falls on that spectrum is to be decided. Oshie is good and maybe it's copium but I'm expecting Othmann to be a potentially better/more consistent goal scorer

a top forward prospect will meet/exceed expectations eventually

 

[Leonardo87]

 

[Bacon Artemi Bravo]

Just in the last couple of pages he's been referred to as "physical," "dominant," "an alpha male," and "a specimen."

He'll throw a few hits, that's for sure, but just speaking on the style and not making an ability comparison, he's more Marchand than Tkachuk.

I think he could have a similar physical presence to Tkachuk. Similar size. Tkachuk certainly is not known for his blazing speed.

I dont think Othmann will have a presence similar to like prime Lucic by any means but Tkachuk could be plausible. Othmann has arguably the 2 most difficult traits to attain to get there, he has the timing(at lower levels anyway) and he has the mean streak to want to throw big open ice hits. Have a feeling we'll see that, probably less at first but more and more as he adapts to the NHL.

 

[HockeyBasedNYC]

Keep trying Laf on the right side.

It would behoove them both to try and adjust to that position if they want more ice time. Its not a perfect scenario but with Panarin and Kreider blocking them both its just a simple fact.

Kreider - in an ideal situation could be used in a 3rd line role... but Laf would have to push him there and we honestly havent seen it yet.

Bottom line, on either wing, make it happen

 

[Machinehead]

Othmann reminds me of a TJ Oshie variant. Where he falls on that spectrum is to be decided. Oshie is good and maybe it's copium but I'm expecting Othmann to be a potentially better/more consistent goal scorer

a top forward prospect will meet/exceed expectations eventually

I like this comparison. Oshie will mix it up but he's far from Tony Twist, and he's a very good goal-scorer.

 

[bhamill]

I like Othmann but I feel he's being mischaracterized as a dominant physical presence.

He's 190 pounds and I don't see him having the legs to get in on the forecheck.

His offensive numbers impressed me more than anything else and I think he profiles more as a rat who can score.

I don't think I've ever seen him described as a "dominant physical presence." He certainly is PHYSICAL though, and its a big part of his game along with his shot.

 

[bhamill]

Just in the last couple of pages he's been referred to as "physical," "dominant," "an alpha male," and "a specimen."

He'll throw a few hits, that's for sure, but just speaking on the style and not making an ability comparison, he's more Marchand than Tkachuk.

Yeah, maybe some folks are getting carried away there. I didn't notice it.
Which Tkachuk? Matthew doesn't hit anywhere near as much as Brady. I don't think he will score like Matthew but he's at least as physical.
Edit: Yeah, just took a look, Matthew had 68 hits last year, Brady had 242. Matthew is 6'2" 201 pounds, Brady is 6'4" 221. I think Othmann will throw a lot more hits than 70 per year, and he leans into it. Othmann may top out at like 6'1" 205, he's still just 20.
(BTW Marchand had 81 hits.)

 

[LORDE]

Keep trying Laf on the right side.

It would behoove them both to try and adjust to that position if they want more ice time. Its not a perfect scenario but with Panarin and Kreider blocking them both its just a simple fact.

Kreider - in an ideal situation could be used in a 3rd line role... but Laf would have to push him there and we honestly havent seen it yet.

Bottom line, on either wing, make it happen

Could Laf be any more of a disappointment on the right?

Stick him there & ride it.

It's sink or swim time.

 

[Bacon Artemi Bravo]

Yeah, maybe some folks are getting carried away there. I didn't notice it.
Which Tkachuk? Matthew doesn't hit anywhere near as much as Brady. I don't think he will score like Matthew but he's at least as physical.
Edit: Yeah, just took a look, Matthew had 68 hits last year, Brady had 242. Matthew is 6'2" 201 pounds, Brady is 6'4" 221. I think Othmann will throw a lot more hits than 70 per year, and he leans into it. Othmann may top out at like 6'1" 205, he's still just 20.
(BTW Marchand had 81 hits.)

My post above was comparing him to Matthew, yeah Othmann will never be as big and nasty as Brady, that's a fact.

 

[I Eat Crow]

I still think Kane comes here on a Selanne deal in January or February, but yeah, Othmann or Lafreniere need to grab the brass ring and be able to at least be passable in a top 6 role.

I see it more with Othmann personally. He has that quick release that can net him some goals off the rush on his off wing. Put him with Kreider and Trochek and insulate him defensively if he earns it.

Laf-Zib-Kakko
Panarin-Chytil-Wheeler
Kreid-Troch-Oth
Jimothy-Bonino-Goody
Belzile

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

how kind of Drury to Grace the public with his presence and comments. Very excited to hear what he’s got to say a year from now, which is when he’ll talk publicly again

 

[Leonardo87]

Keep trying Laf on the right side.

It would behoove them both to try and adjust to that position if they want more ice time. Its not a perfect scenario but with Panarin and Kreider blocking them both its just a simple fact.

Kreider - in an ideal situation could be used in a 3rd line role... but Laf would have to push him there and we honestly havent seen it yet.

Bottom line, on either wing, make it happen

Not to sound like a jerk but Laf is most likely not taking Kreider's spot at Top LW until he outplays him. It's not just about ES points either.

This bit from Drury tells me they have no plans to move Kreider out of the Top 6 and are trying to play Laf on RW to get him into a Top 6 role.

 

[Machinehead]

Yeah, maybe some folks are getting carried away there. I didn't notice it.
Which Tkachuk? Matthew doesn't hit anywhere near as much as Brady. I don't think he will score like Matthew but he's at least as physical.
Edit: Yeah, just took a look, Matthew had 68 hits last year, Brady had 242. Matthew is 6'2" 201 pounds, Brady is 6'4" 221. I think Othmann will throw a lot more hits than 70 per year, and he leans into it. Othmann may top out at like 6'1" 205, he's still just 20.
(BTW Marchand had 81 hits.)

I would assume Matthew is in people's minds because he's the good one.

He does hit a lot less than Brady, and that aspect of Matthew's game is probably overrated, although to be fair, he literally always has the puck so it's hard to hit.

 

[HockeyBasedNYC]

Not to sound like a jerk but Laf is most likely not taking Kreider's spot at Top LW until he outplays him. It's not just about ES points either.

This bit from Drury tells me they have no plans to move Kreider out of the Top 6 and are trying to play Laf on RW to get him into a Top 6 role.

Agree on both

Baconeggandcheese

 

[Machinehead]

Not to sound like a jerk but Laf is most likely not taking Kreider's spot at Top LW until he outplays him. It's not just about ES points either.

This bit from Drury tells me they have no plans to move Kreider out of the Top 6 and are trying to play Laf on RW to get him into a Top 6 role.

And it's not like it's just "oh stupid Rangers playing the vets."

By my count, there's nine LW's in the NHL better than Kreider, and one of them is also on the Rangers making it even harder.

Kreider is a first liner on two-thirds of the teams in this league and people want him moved to the third line to maybe make Laf play better. That's not how pro sports works.