Roster Building Thread: Part VII (2023-24)

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By not signing over 700,000 it clearly sends a message that you are not that committed to the organization. Plus, with no contract for next year it very likely does mean he’s sitting at home in bubble wrap doing nothing because if he blows out his knees and is not under contract he will be paid 0 dollars next year.

Guys, I’m sorry if I come across as strong but really and honestly, this argument that Laf should hold to his guns and wait out the team is insufferable to me. This entitled attitude is exactly why he’s done nothing to make himself into anything in 3 years and why I have absolutely no confidence he will amount to anything other than a mediocre NHL player. That is supposing, of course, that someone does not get in his ear and set him straight. Again, indications are that no one is doing that— especially because of how he’s handling this contract.
Loyalty doesn’t pay the bills. I don’t care if you’re a 4th line plug or a superstar. You do what’s best for you. If Laf’s agent is saying he might be able to get more by waiting, so be it. It’s not his responsibility to keep us cap compliant. He can be a team first guy after he signs his next contract.
 
Here's Laf the other other day not sitting at home doing nothing because he's not under contract. He is by definition a Hockey prodigy, I guarantee you he isn't sitting home doing nothing. These dudes are more passionate about Hockey than anyone on this board is about any single thing.

 
Here's Laf the other other day not sitting at home doing nothing because he's not under contract. He is by definition a Hockey prodigy, I guarantee you he isn't sitting home doing nothing. These dudes are more passionate about Hockey than anyone on this board is about any single thing.


If he was truely passionate about the game, he would have open ice checked him in the middle of the standing ovation.
 
Here's Laf the other other day not sitting at home doing nothing because he's not under contract. He is by definition a Hockey prodigy, I guarantee you he isn't sitting home doing nothing. These dudes are more passionate about Hockey than anyone on this board is about any single thing.


Wait a pro am hockey game that maybe Laf played 10 minutes at about 25% effort is the standard we are holding him to for busting it in the off seasons. Really wish I had some of you as my bosses. I would be a millionaire by now for staying 5 minutes after my shift and working occasionally through lunch!

Loyalty doesn’t pay the bills. I don’t care if you’re a 4th line plug or a superstar. You do what’s best for you. If Laf’s agent is saying he might be able to get more by waiting, so be it. It’s not his responsibility to keep us cap compliant. He can be a team first guy after he signs his next contract.
What? I’m not saying he should be loyal- he owes the Rangers nothing more than a good solid effort but my entire point is he looks pathetic groveling over such little money when his track record of improvement in the off season is virtually nothing. You’d expect this guy to want to prove something so he can earn the big bucks next year might actually inspire him to maybe take a few less dollars. But I agree that the Rangers have also wildly screwed this up because it’s on them to offer their best deal.

As usual though, this organization could not successfully run a one car funeral so we should all expect nothing from them.
 
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Here's Laf the other other day not sitting at home doing nothing because he's not under contract. He is by definition a Hockey prodigy, I guarantee you he isn't sitting home doing nothing. These dudes are more passionate about Hockey than anyone on this board is about any single thing.


Also, he's wearing Canadiens socks
 
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Bad vs good is too extreme. If you look at the numbers he’s statically almost exactly NHL average. So I’d call him average with below average attributes and one of the worst top overall picks in recent NHL history. That’s the most accurate way of describing Laf.
Exactly how is bad vs good extreme at all? He’s a good NHLer. Already at the age of 21. What does “too extreme” even mean in this context? That makes zero sense. Laf is a good player. Period.
He’s also a big disappointment thus far in relation to his draft position. Or is that “too extreme”?

Also, hats off to everyone who still can’t make the intellectual distinction between expectation and reality. Your expectations are IRRELEVANT as to whether Laf is actually a good player or not. He IS, that is the reality of it, no matter how much more you (and I) expected of him.
 
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What??? He’s not even being offered a long term deal, basically a bridge deal and they have signed about every 4th line washed up 35 year old wing they could ahead of him. I mean I genuinely have no idea how you guys can’t see how if you really wanted a player you would sign him especially knowing this whole “hold out” is essentially over at most 700,000 dollars. But yeah you know it’s just “the way things are done around here.”
What? How do you know what Laf is being offered? Or what he wants?
Please enlighten me with the details of this negotiation.
 
By not signing over 700,000 it clearly sends a message that you are not that committed to the organization. Plus, with no contract for next year it very likely does mean he’s sitting at home in bubble wrap doing nothing because if he blows out his knees and is not under contract he will be paid 0 dollars next year.

Guys, I’m sorry if I come across as strong but really and honestly, this argument that Laf should hold to his guns and wait out the team is insufferable to me. This entitled attitude is exactly why he’s done nothing to make himself into anything in 3 years and why I have absolutely no confidence he will amount to anything other than a mediocre NHL player. That is supposing, of course, that someone does not get in his ear and set him straight. Again, indications are that no one is doing that— especially because of how he’s handling this contract.
By not signing over 700,000 it clearly sends a message that you are not that committed to the organization. Plus, with no contract for next year it very likely does mean he’s sitting at home in bubble wrap doing nothing because if he blows out his knees and is not under contract he will be paid 0 dollars next year.

Guys, I’m sorry if I come across as strong but really and honestly, this argument that Laf should hold to his guns and wait out the team is insufferable to me. This entitled attitude is exactly why he’s done nothing to make himself into anything in 3 years and why I have absolutely no confidence he will amount to anything other than a mediocre NHL player. That is supposing, of course, that someone does not get in his ear and set him straight. Again, indications are that no one is doing that— especially because of how he’s handling this contract.
“Not signing YET” is not the same as “not signing”… you want to get worked up over it, that’s your prerogative. But don’t expect everyone else to get upset over it.

Exactly how is he handling this contract? (BTW, I’m betting his agent is handling it) What do you know that everyone else is in the dark about?
 
Exactly how is bad vs good extreme at all? He’s a good NHLer. Already at the age of 21. What does “too extreme” even mean in this context? That makes zero sense. Laf is a good player. Period.
He’s also a big disappointment thus far in relation to his draft position. Or is that “too extreme”?

Also, hats off to everyone who still can’t make the intellectual distinction between expectation and reality. Your expectations are IRRELEVANT as to whether Laf is actually a good player or not. He IS, that is the reality of it, no matter how much more you (and I) expected of him.
Too extreme means there are much more descriptors than just “bad and good.”

Like, he’s a bad first overall pick who produces like an average NHL player who has the skill set and attributes of a below average NHL player. Notice how I used multiple descriptions of him other than to say - “he’s a good NHL player.”

Also, if you think 40 points is a “good NHL player” then again, man do I wish you were in charge of determining if I was good at anything. His statistics are exactly NHL average as I, and many others established in the Laf thread months ago. I won’t even go into the eye test, which also to anyone who knows what they are looking at, can accurately tell he’s certainly not “good” at anything. Other than some feeble “he has good hands” no one has ever been able to identify even one skill he’s better than average at.

I can’t even believe some of the crazy love Laf gets from some of you. Like please do yourself a favor and realize that no matter how you try and spin it, no matter how many wordsmithing tricks you try and use to defend this guy, literally nothing other than semantical attempts at defending him support your claims. He’s about to get a bridge deal from the team that picked him as a first overall pick. Essentially the only first overall pick in recent NHL history to have that occur.

But yes, he’s “good….”
 
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What? How do you know what Laf is being offered? Or what he wants?
Please enlighten me with the details of this negotiation.
Sure- the Rangers only have so much salary cap space available. As others have pointed out is somewhere between 2.7-3.1ish based on some possible roster alterations that are doable. Baring a major trade to free up more space( which I’m assuming is not happening and would be wrong to do) and based on multiple media reports— you know guys in the know- he’s expected to be offered between 2.5 and 3 million dollars.

I’m not making anything up here. These stories are easily findable— so is salary cap numbers. Do you need to be reminded that the NHL is a hard cap meaning you can’t go over the limit. So, and I know this can be hard for some, the fact remains that the most Laf can sign for with the Rangers is around 3.1(again not exact numbers because I’m not 100% aware of all the options s Drury has.)

I love how you quoted every post I made trying to show how I don’t know what I’m talking about when, literally in every case you just wanted to argue with me without knowing a single thing about this situation with Laf.
 
What does this reply add to this thread? The idea that the first overall pick is somehow dangling in the wind like some expendable piece during a crucial summer in which he was supposed to make huge strides is looked at as “business as usual around here” just goes to show how laughable this fan base is. It’s why Ranger fans get crucified on the main boards of this site. Try and look beyond what you know and look at other organizations. No one treats a first overall pick this way- no one. But again facts are a stubborn thing.
The recent growth of Riko’s in the lower Fairfield County area has forced Drury to work relentlessly on a new 4 cheese pizza at Colony’s. There are rumors he might even introduce a new Hot Honey pie to the menu, though my sources cannot fully confirm this.

When operation f*** You Riko’s is completed, Drury will turn his attention to Laf. Patience young grasshopper.
 
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Here's Laf the other other day not sitting at home doing nothing because he's not under contract. He is by definition a Hockey prodigy, I guarantee you he isn't sitting home doing nothing. These dudes are more passionate about Hockey than anyone on this board is about any single thing.



You can see from the way Laf’s palms reverberate when he claps that his body fat percentage is too high.
 
Too extreme means there are much more descriptors than just “bad and good.”

Like, he’s a bad first overall pick who produces like an average NHL player who has the skill set and attributes of a below average NHL player. Notice how I used multiple descriptions of him other than to say - “he’s a good NHL player.”

Also, if you think 40 points is a “good NHL player” then again, man do I wish you were in charge of determining if I was good at anything. His statistics are exactly NHL average as I, and many others established in the Laf thread months ago. I won’t even go into the eye test, which also to anyone who knows what they are looking at, can accurately tell he’s certainly not “good” at anything. Other than some feeble “he has good hands” no one has ever been able to identify even one skill he’s better than average at.

I can’t even believe some of the crazy love Laf gets from some of you. Like please do yourself a favor and realize that no matter how you try and spin it, no matter how many wordsmithing tricks you try and use to defend this guy, literally nothing other than semantical attempts at defending him support your claims. He’s about to get a bridge deal from the team that picked him as a first overall pick. Essentially the only first overall pick in recent NHL history to have that occur.

But yes, he’s “good….”
It’s good vs bad because people have said “he’s bad.” It’s not extreme, it’s simple.
As soon as you said “like he’s a bad first overall pick” you jumped the point again. Whether he’s a good NHLer or not is independent of his draft position. You continuing to ignore this just illustrates my point. I don’t understand how disagreeing that a player is actually ”bad” When he’s factually a good NHLer is some kind of “crazy love.” Hahaha. You certainly See m to have a bias because of your disappointment. I can be disappointed but still objective. Yes, a bad 1OA, but NO, not a bad player. That’s the reality.

Sure- the Rangers only have so much salary cap space available. As others have pointed out is somewhere between 2.7-3.1ish based on some possible roster alterations that are doable. Baring a major trade to free up more space( which I’m assuming is not happening and would be wrong to do) and based on multiple media reports— you know guys in the know- he’s expected to be offered between 2.5 and 3 million dollars.

I’m not making anything up here. These stories are easily findable— so is salary cap numbers. Do you need to be reminded that the NHL is a hard cap meaning you can’t go over the limit. So, and I know this can be hard for some, the fact remains that the most Laf can sign for with the Rangers is around 3.1(again not exact numbers because I’m not 100% aware of all the options s Drury has.)

I love how you quoted every post I made trying to show how I don’t know what I’m talking about when, literally in every case you just wanted to argue with me without knowing a single thing about this situation with Laf.
Actually it could be over term. And not money at all. In fact I think it’s more likely. But I won’t pretend I know what’s going on in negotiations.
 
To put things in better perspective and why I’m not concerned about Laf, is that Zegras or Drysdale still have not been re-signed yet with the Ducks.

This is the part of the process. It could drag into Sept. As long as it’s done before training camp.

It’s not about treating him bad or not, this is just how negotiations go.
Soooooooo …..

What you’re saying is there’s a Laffy for Zegras trade in the works.
 
The recent growth of Riko’s in the lower Fairfield County area has forced Drury to work relentlessly on a new 4 cheese pizza at Colony’s. There are rumors he might even introduce a new Hot Honey pie to the menu, though my sources cannot fully confirm this.

When operation f*** You Riko’s is completed, Drury will turn his attention to Laf. Patience young grasshopper.
cue up classic Beatles: Honey Pie and Wild Honey Pie from the White album
 
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It’s good vs bad because people have said “he’s bad.” It’s not extreme, it’s simple.
As soon as you said “like he’s a bad first overall pick” you jumped the point again. Whether he’s a good NHLer or not is independent of his draft position. You continuing to ignore this just illustrates my point. I don’t understand how disagreeing that a player is actually ”bad” When he’s factually a good NHLer is some kind of “crazy love.” Hahaha. You certainly See m to have a bias because of your disappointment. I can be disappointed but still objective. Yes, a bad 1OA, but NO, not a bad player. That’s the reality.


Actually it could be over term. And not money at all. In fact I think it’s more likely. But I won’t pretend I know what’s going on in negotiations.
You are talking in circles. First you think good vs bad is the issue now you won’t admit he’s a bad first overall pick but think he’s a good NHL player. Let me let you in on a little secret- when you draft first overall you don’t really want a 3rd line plugger who maybe gets 40-50 points a season. You want a game breaker. Now if you are happy with what he’s done over the past 3 seasons and think he’s been “good” then you have perhaps the lowest standards of anyone on earth. It’s like saying he’s a “good” player because he rarely falls down when he skates. He’s “good” because occasionally the puck touches his stick. He’s “good” because occasionally you notice he gets within 10 feet of the opposition goal. I mean if that’s the standard you hold him then sure I’ll agree he’s “good.”

By virtually every criteria and in every attribute he’s “average to below average.” The fact this is even arguable shows how warped and watered down some People’s evaluations of this guy have become.
 
You are talking in circles. First you think good vs bad is the issue now you won’t admit he’s a bad first overall pick but think he’s a good NHL player. Let me let you in on a little secret- when you draft first overall you don’t really want a 3rd line plugger who maybe gets 40-50 points a season. You want a game breaker. Now if you are happy with what he’s done over the past 3 seasons and think he’s been “good” then you have perhaps the lowest standards of anyone on earth. It’s like saying he’s a “good” player because he rarely falls down when he skates. He’s “good” because occasionally the puck touches his stick. He’s “good” because occasionally you notice he gets within 10 feet of the opposition goal. I mean if that’s the standard you hold him then sure I’ll agree he’s “good.”

By virtually every criteria and in every attribute he’s “average to below average.” The fact this is even arguable shows how warped and watered down some People’s evaluations of this guy have become.
No I’m not talking in circles but I am REPEATING myself because you are repeatedly ignoring the point.
So I’ll stop doing that. It’s futile. Have a good one, buddy!
 
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You are talking in circles. First you think good vs bad is the issue now you won’t admit he’s a bad first overall pick but think he’s a good NHL player. Let me let you in on a little secret- when you draft first overall you don’t really want a 3rd line plugger who maybe gets 40-50 points a season. You want a game breaker. Now if you are happy with what he’s done over the past 3 seasons and think he’s been “good” then you have perhaps the lowest standards of anyone on earth. It’s like saying he’s a “good” player because he rarely falls down when he skates. He’s “good” because occasionally the puck touches his stick. He’s “good” because occasionally you notice he gets within 10 feet of the opposition goal. I mean if that’s the standard you hold him then sure I’ll agree he’s “good.”

By virtually every criteria and in every attribute he’s “average to below average.” The fact this is even arguable shows how warped and watered down some People’s evaluations of this guy have become.
dude, as david letterman used to say, you crystallized my thought eloquently. also don't bother - you're not going to change minds. the main points are always repeated: better d1 season than jack hughes, he's been decent for a 21 year old, has comparable or even better ev numbers than certain members on the top two lines, etc.

he scored 19 ev goals d2. yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah. of course they will choose to ignore that their favorite son the regressed to 13 this past season.

it will be interesting how and with who lavi slots this guy.
 
dude, as david letterman used to say, you crystallized my thought eloquently. also don't bother - you're not going to change minds. the main points are always repeated: better d1 season than jack hughes, he's been decent for a 21 year old, has comparable or even better ev numbers than certain members on the top two lines, etc.

he scored 19 ev goals d2. yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah. of course they will choose to ignore that their favorite son the regressed to 13 this past season.

it will be interesting how and with who lavi slots this guy.

You have to try Laf - Z - Kak. Maybe under Lavi we get better results. It makes all the other lines better.
 
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