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Machinehead said:
Right, so we're back to "he just happened to have civil political disagreements and also get thrown out of hockey the same week."

Got it. I definitely believe that.
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No use trying to argue with them. Sources bring up Tony's political views in the locker room because they bring context and correlate with his behavior. But apparently all these journalists and respected sources don't know what they are talking about. If Tony's politics didn't matter in all of this, why do reporters and sources keep bringing it up?

Obviously posters on this board don't want to see what is right in front of them, which is not hard to predict from an extremely homogeneous population.
 
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Machinehead said:
Right, so we're back to "he just happened to have civil political disagreements and also get thrown out of hockey the same week."

Got it. I definitely believe that.
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I don't see where anyone is saying it was civil. I think the disagreement here is that some are saying racial issues brought up uncivilly is still a political disagreement and not a racist one; whereas you are of the belief that bringing up racial issues uncivilly is a racist act in and of itself (ie, my understanding of what you are implying is that criticism of BLM's methods or objectives is per se racist, no?).
 
Tob said:
Again, conjectures and drawing conclusions based on your presumptions. He was thrown out for his inability to keep political beliefs out of the locker room. Those political beliefs could have been exactly what I brought up, in other words, not racist and prejudicial but merely inappropriate in the work place and unwelcomed and it reached a level where it became a distraction. You're choosing to believe something based on your presumptions and refusing to believe in an alternative that is equally valid. I'd argue if he was going on racist rants and truly prejudicial rants especially with K'andre in the room, he would have been thrown off the team long before this altercation.
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Yeah, I'm sure he's just bringing up trade policy to anybody who will listen.
 
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Tob said:
Again, conjectures and drawing conclusions based on your presumptions. He was thrown out for his inability to keep political beliefs out of the locker room. Those political beliefs could have been exactly what I brought up, in other words, not racist and prejudicial but merely inappropriate in the work place and unwelcomed and it reached a level where it became a distraction. You're choosing to believe something based on your presumptions and refusing to believe in an alternative that is equally valid. I'd argue if he was going on racist rants and truly prejudicial rants especially with K'andre in the room, he would have been thrown off the team long before this altercation.
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I’m still open for bets this comes out. $100 I’ll venmo to a neutral party.
 
Tob said:
Race and social issues is not racism and prejudice. I can see political conservatives saying some very politically conservative things like wanting there to be less immigration and wanting, for example, there to be less fiscal responsibility to and spending less on illegal aliens for their healthcare etc. but to equate bringing up racial and social issues with being racist and prejudicial is juvenile. If this was a liberal player who was said to raise "racial and social issues" for the awareness of his teammates (on acceptance and kindness), it'd be a totally different story, wouldn't it?
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Right, because one stance is admirable to use one's platform to advocate for groups that have been historically and systemically demonized and the other stance is to continue that history under the guise of "These are just my political beliefs."

Stab in the dark here, but ADA did not voice his opinions in a tactful or productive way.
 
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DutchShamrock said:
That's not how it works. See, it's guilt by association. Some people asked for facts and objectivity. Some of them won't back off their stance since the facts came out (I assume. I don't see it so I either blocked them or they don't exist). But since all those people shared a thought for 12 hours, they are all guilty of condoning Tony's actions.

It's funny how the ones telling you all the time they are progressive are the ones judging groups and painting with wide brushes.
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That’s what progressive is.
 
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