Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part LXXVII - Holding a Lead for Dummies (Info in OP)

[Filthy Dangles]

If there's evidence of Deangelo choking Georgiev, I would think NYPD/DANY would at least investigate just to say that they did.

lol. no.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

We had to buy out a top 3 franchise player of all time to re-sign this guy. What a disaster.

Hindsight being 20-20 we should have kept Hank, he'd be on LTIR now, kept Fast, and sold ADA and Strome to the highest bidder, even if the offer was a 7th rounder.

That's not why Henrik was bought out

 

[mas0764]

This is just the "but I have a black friend" argument. Again, just insulting people's intelligence.

"He's not racist, he just brought up race in an uncivil, offensive, and inappropriate way."

Yeah, I mean, we just have a fundamental disagreement over this then.

I think someone can be disparaging of BLM, for example, and be insulting about it as a movement, which would be a racial-ISSUE to discuss as was reported herein, without being motivated by racism or without committing a racist act. It's pure team sports, frankly. BLM is pretty clearly aligned with one of the political parties, and the homers on each side of the political aisle (of which Tony is pretty clearly one) make a living by being insulting assholes to the other side.

Again I don't know but that's just my guess.

Sorry you feel that this is all so insulting to you. I think I've tried to be courteous and understanding here.

 

[rangers1314]

For THIS guy we had to watch Fast walk out the door for 2/2aav

 

[Tob]

This is straight from @Edge:

"ADA has been increasingly vocal in the locker room about certain race and social issues and supposedly been making those comments very well known."

If you think that occurred not in an abusive way whatsoever, I just don't know what to say.

Race and social issues is not racism and prejudice. I can see political conservatives saying some very politically conservative things like wanting there to be less immigration and wanting, for example, there to be less fiscal responsibility to and spending less on illegal aliens for their healthcare etc. but to equate bringing up racial and social issues with being racist and prejudicial is juvenile. If this was a liberal player who was said to raise "racial and social issues" for the awareness of his teammates (on acceptance and kindness), it'd be a totally different story, wouldn't it?

 

[Mossman]

Its the past we move on, they took a risk on a very talented player he was a stop gap it didn't work. But there does seem to be a coaching issue I'm sure we will find out eventually what's going on in the lockeroom. Than will know why, the coach or the the system, or just a very very young team. You need experience, you need roll players and you need someone who wins faceoffs. I think right now that's the biggest problem. What if an NBA team shoots 50% on free throws your gonna loose slot. A hockey team that can't win face off a leads to terrible defense lousy offense period.

 

[kovazub94]

So you are saying:

-He's a POS
-He has strong political views
-These views alienate his teammates

All things you just said.

And you think those views are innocuous and not bigoted in any way whatsoever? Do you see how that's far-fetched?

I don't know why but you forgot to add that it also caused an altercation with teammates.

As far as "bigotry" goes - is it because of your academic background it's hard for you not to try to stretch concepts - because you should know that it's broader term than "racism".

As far as ADA being a racist - I have not seen this in his posts and I'm surely not going to call him that because he was supporting Trump (because close to half of the country was doing the same including a significant portion of minorities, including immigrant population).

 

[Avery16]

For THIS guy we had to watch Fast walk out the door for 2/2aav

Not why Fast left either.

 

[Machinehead]

Race and social issues is not racism and prejudice. I can see political conservatives saying some very politically conservative things like wanting there to be less immigration and wanting, for example, there to be less fiscal responsibility and spending on illegal aliens for their healthcare etc. but to equate bringing up racial and social issues with being racist and prejudicial is juvenile. If this was a liberal player who was said to raise "racial and social issues" for the awareness of his teammates (on acceptance and kindness), it'd be a totally different story, wouldn't it?

Right, so we're back to "he just happened to have civil political disagreements and also get thrown out of hockey the same week."

Got it. I definitely believe that.

 

[Avery16]

I can't believe we let Messier walk to Vancouver just so we could re-sign this Deangelo clown.

 

[NoQuitInNewMexico]

That's not why Henrik was bought out

not to turn this place into HFMedicine again but the Lundqvist heart condition/Caps doctors thing weirded me out a lot more than idiot DeAngelo continuing to be an idiot

 

[Kords]

We had to buy out a top 3 franchise player of all time to re-sign this guy. What a disaster.

Hindsight being 20-20 we should have kept Hank, he'd be on LTIR now, kept Fast, and sold ADA and Strome to the highest bidder, even if the offer was a 7th rounder.

Ughh... I hate how right this is...

 

[Avery16]

Can't believe Naslund retired because we re-signed Deangelo.

 

[NYRangers16]

This is straight from @Edge:

"ADA has been increasingly vocal in the locker room about certain race and social issues and supposedly been making those comments very well known."

If you think that occurred not in an abusive way whatsoever, I just don't know what to say.

I was agreeing with you. Maybe you quoted the wrong person. I am of the full opinion that it was abusive and this is backed not only by Edge but also by NHL teams wanting nothing to do with him, not to mention his proven history.

 

[Machinehead]

I don't know why but you forgot to add that it also caused an altercation with teammates.

As far as "bigotry" goes - is it because of your academic background it's hard for you not to try to stretch concepts - because you should know that it's broader term than "racism".

As far as ADA being a racist - I have not seen this in his posts and I'm surely not going to call him that because he was supporting Trump (because close to half of the country was doing the same including a significant portion of minorities, including immigrant population).

I'm not calling him that because he voted for Trump. I'm calling him that because he was "going out of his way to make comments that he doesn’t think there’s a big racial problem in the nation." And it's not like he and a teammate were talking politics and this just came up, no, he's done this repeatedly:

"That might not be a huge issue, save for the fact that he’s the one who keeps mentioning. Requests to get him to knock it off have not gone well. The leadership of this team, namely Trouba has taken him aside and told him to leave that stuff at the door and not let it become a distraction."

I'm quoting a vetted source. The evidence is right there.

 

[Filthy Dangles]

Race and social issues is not racism and prejudice. I can see political conservatives saying some very politically conservative things like wanting there to be less immigration and wanting, for example, there to be less fiscal responsibility to and spending on illegal aliens for their healthcare etc. but to equate bringing up racial and social issues with being racist and prejudicial is juvenile. If this was a liberal player who was said to raise "racial and social issues" for the awareness of his teammates (on acceptance and kindness), it'd be a totally different story, wouldn't it?

there's receipts on Twitter of 3 of his immediate family members (dad, brother, sister) using racial slurs in disgusting manners. i obviously wont post them. there's a very sad and cringey video f his dad sying he used slurs around the household with them growing up.

so when you consider that on top of him being suspended for some kind of slur in junior, and his feeling on racial justice issues, you really can't blame people or get defensive at the racist inisinuation...

the people who call him a known white supremacist are out to lunch but so are the peeople who think it' slaughable that the guy might be bigoted and racist.

 

[Synergy27]

Each and every one of us is living amongst the ashes of a ridiculously successful culture war orchestrated by societal elites. The fact that every single event, regardless of its magnitude, comes down on one side of a very clear partisan line is proof of this success.

If Trump supporters and Bernie supporters (let’s use those bins for simplicity’s sake) put down the pitchforks long enough to recognize that they are animated by essentially the same root issues, the power structure would be trembling in fear. They will do anything to prevent that from happening, and they’ve been very successful so far.

Let’s keep calling each other racist/snowflake, or fascist/Marxist and ignore the continued, systematic decimation of the middle and lower classes. Let’s let this “us vs. them” paradigm leak into literally every facet of our lives so that we have no mental refuge at all. Let’s keep ramping this up to 11 at every opportunity. Will end well.

 

[BklynTerp]

Right, so we're back to "he just happened to have civil political disagreements and also get thrown out of hockey the same week."

Got it. I definitely believe that.

It must be so frustrating for Tony that he wanted to have some spirited talks about the debt ceiling and this is what had to happen

 

[RGY]

I was agreeing with you. Maybe you quoted the wrong person. I am of the full opinion that it was abusive and this is backed not only by Edge but also by NHL teams wanting nothing to do with him, not to mention his proven history.

Edge never said he was abusive... stop twisting shit.

 

[Machinehead]

I was agreeing with you. Maybe you quoted the wrong person. I am of the full opinion that it was abusive and this is backed not only by Edge but also by NHL teams wanting nothing to do with him, not to mention his proven history.

No, I was emphasizing my agreement with you with source material.

 

[Avery16]

Sounds to me like you're bringing up DNA and fingerprints to make us look like we're in denial instead of just presenting evidence.

Like the absence of a SINGLE complaining witness.

 

[NYRangers16]

No, I was emphasizing my agreement with you with source material.

Ok just making sure.

 

[Tob]

Right, so we're back to "he just happened to have civil political disagreements and also get thrown out of hockey the same week."

Got it. I definitely believe that.

Again, conjectures and drawing conclusions based on your presumptions. He was thrown out for his inability to keep political beliefs out of the locker room. Those political beliefs could have been exactly what I brought up, in other words, not racist and prejudicial but merely inappropriate in the work place and unwelcomed and it reached a level where it became a distraction. You're choosing to believe something based on your presumptions and refusing to believe in an alternative that is equally valid. I'd argue if he was going on racist rants and truly prejudicial rants especially with K'andre in the room, he would have been thrown off the team long before this altercation.

 

[Machinehead]

Yeah, I mean, we just have a fundamental disagreement over this then.

I think someone can be disparaging of BLM, for example, and be insulting about it as a movement, which would be a racial-ISSUE to discuss as was reported herein, without being motivated by racism or without committing a racist act. It's pure team sports, frankly. BLM is pretty clearly aligned with one of the political parties, and the homers on each side of the political aisle (of which Tony is pretty clearly one) make a living by being insulting assholes to the other side.

Again I don't know but that's just my guess.

Sorry you feel that this is all so insulting to you. I think I've tried to be courteous and understanding here.

It's insulting that you think this isn't an issue because K'Andre had a civil relationship with him.

"I'm not racist because I'm nice to this one black person" is actually an extremely insensitive thing to say.

 

[Mike in Houston]

FWIW on Don La Greca's podcast today he says Miller didn't break up the fight. Kreider didn't punch DeAngelo. Puckgate is fabricated. Tony's political stuff didn't play a role in him getting waived.