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Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part LXXIX - Clever Title

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Dr Quincy said:
There is some question as to whether he can just tell him to "stay home". I don't think it's as easy as that.
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Tony has already been sent home and Gorton is working on a trade. I don't think there will come a point, prior to the trade deadline, when Gorton says "sorry, I can't find a deal, just stay home and wait".

The longer it drags on, the more likely it is that Tony and his agent start getting restless, and at some point, the NHLPA will likely get involved. They are going to want Tony to be able to play somewhere, so he can stay in game shape and actually have value to a team trading for him. Maybe the Rangers eventually let him play in Hartford, or loan him out to some other AHL team. But the Rangers are under no obligation to trade him, or to play him. The only reason to trade him is to get something of value back, and to stay on good terms with Pat Brisson, Tony's agent.
 
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Flames need to make a bold move to make the playoffs in that division.....and don't kid yourself....the Oilers are likely also envisioning a PP with Tony feeding McDavid and Leon D . Imagine that PP with Tony on it !!! Not sure what they have we could use now or in the future . Montreal-Toronto-Winnipeg will be in the playoffs....Jets added their guy in a deal and Habs added in the off season. Leafs not suitable fit for Tony .

So...leaves the Oilers/Flames as the main buyers likely in the North division.....fierce rivals......they might even be in a bidding war now which is what might possibly be taking some time for offers to be raised .

Those 2 Alberta clubs go in different directions from the last playoff spot over the weekend ....things might happen in the Ranger's favor. Food for thought.
 
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eco's bones said:
Maybe I'm getting the cart before the horse but I watched the game last night on NHL66 and there was a DeAngelo account going on how the Rangers were sure to get spanked by the Caps. Apparently there is also a suspected twitter account that has also popped up again. FWIW after the DeAngelo NHL 66 account had made a couple appearances a DeUnemployed account popped up too which I thought was cute.
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Give me five minutes and I'll set up a "Tony D burner twitter account" for people to speculate on.
 
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Avery16 said:
Give me five minutes and I'll set up a "Tony D burner twitter account" for people to speculate on.
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Well maybe it was you and not him and I'm jumping to conclusions. That's all possible. He has been caught out once before and recently though so it does leave me wondering. The NHL 66 thing as well.
 
Tob said:
Look at what bad bottom 6 players on big medium long term contracts are doing the Vancouver. They couldn't keep Toffoli who pushed them up against the wall with a corn dog taped to his belt buckle with 8 goals in 5 games. They had to "choose" Virtanen over Toffoli and now Virtanen who was always going to be their own gamble/reclamation hasn't worked out so far as the 12th/13th F. Even with $10M coming off buyouts and performance overages in the next 2 years, we need every cent to keep Buchnevich and our own players and not have to gamble or trade away any assets.
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Agreed.

Tob said:
We can't retain on Tony by more than $500K or take back any contract. This is not a play to move Tony for a similar cap hit. This is a play to offload as much of the $4.8M as possible now that Fox/KAM/Lindgren/Hajek are ready with Nils and more kids coming and Trouba finally looking decent.
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We certainly can retain, but only if it's for a piece with value coming back. For the supposed 1 for 1 Bennett swap, we can retain up to $2.25 and remain salary neutral for this season. The $2.25 next season would hardly handcuff us on any decisions. If we take back a 2-yr contract, let's say Virtanen (purely hypothetical), we could retain that same $2.25, and remain salary neutral for two seasons. We can do both of those things; retain and take back a contract, as long as we like the incoming player attached to said contract

Furthermore, if, for the sake of argument, we retained the full 50% (through the 21-22 season) and received merely a 7th rounder, how does that impact signing Fox (RFA after that season), KAM (RFA two seasons later), Lindgren (easy bridge for a guy that's not a big points guy), or Hajek (like he's breaking the bank next season, LOL)?

You started with a good point, but kind of went off the rails by the end of it. :D
 
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Edge going silent is pretty telling to me. He and Bbkers will be radio silent until something is definitive one way or the other so as long as they are silent to me that means things are in the air and they can't leak anything. Patience is a virtue...
 
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leetch99 said:
Flames need to make a bold move to make the playoffs in that division.....and don't kid yourself....the Oilers are likely also envisioning a PP with Tony feeding McDavid and Leon D . Imagine that PP with Tony on it !!! Not sure what they have we could use now or in the future . Montreal-Toronto-Winnipeg will be in the playoffs....Jets added their guy in a deal and Habs added in the off season. Leafs not suitable fit for Tony .

So...leaves the Oilers/Flames as the main buyers likely in the North division.....fierce rivals......they might even be in a bidding war now which is what might possibly be taking some time for offers to be raised .

Those 2 Alberta clubs go in different directions from the last playoff spot over the weekend ....things might happen in the Ranger's favor. Food for thought.
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They are very lucky that the Nucks and Oilers have more holes than swiss cheese.
 
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If the Flames take Torinato off waivers from Winnipeg it’s cause he’s in their bubble and could play Saturday night

I’m sure they don’t want to play Bennett
 
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Two questions:

1) Why did Tony clear waivers while teams want to trade for him? His contract?

2) What do you guys think we can get for him?
 
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bold assertion
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SnowblindNYR said:
I just looked up his stats and he's quite the bust. 4th overall and his career high was 36 points. +/- isn't the best stat but he hasn't been a positive in any season either.
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This is really looking at everything in a vacuum. We have covered this quite a bit, especially Edge.

While it may not turn out this way, Tony D had his breakout season last year. He is 8 months older. Who is to say Bennett wont breakout this year or next? And maybe the change of scenery would help him thrive. Regardless he plays a physical game. He can provide insurance at Center even if we played him predominately at wing. He has been good in the playoffs. He is a gamer. This would be a good depth addition for a team that needs more depth.
 
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RGY said:
This is really looking at everything in a vacuum. We have covered this quite a bit, especially Edge.

While it may not turn out this way, Tony D had his breakout season last year. He is 8 months older. Who is to say Bennett wont breakout this year or next? And maybe the change of scenery would help him thrive. Regardless he plays a physical game. He can provide insurance at Center even if we played him predominately at wing. He has been good in the playoffs. He is a gamer. This would be a good depth addition for a team that needs more depth.
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But TDA showed flashes before last year. A guy that broke 30 points once, what flashes has he shown? If he were a defenseman he'd be slightly above average in terms of offense. I don't get, but I guess I can go back at Edge's posts, there just so many posts in this thread.
 
SnowblindNYR said:
Two questions:

1) Why did Tony clear waivers while teams want to trade for him? His contract?

2) What do you guys think we can get for him?
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1- not many teams can just claim him under the cap and I’m sure teams want to do some research before agreeing to take him

2- not much ... guys that make too much w expiring contracts . A disgruntled player which is why Bennett in theory makes sense
 
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Barnaby said:
So you force the Rangers hand and they buy you out.

You just potentially cost yourself millions of dollars that you may never get back.

Contractually you may have a point, but is it worth poking the bear? ADA has nearly 10 million coming to him... want to take 1/3 of that? He'll very possibly find himself on a 1 year 1 million dollar contract playing for the Sens or something.
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They can't buy him out until after the season. That is the point. And if he's their employee, without going through league rules on suspensions (which have very definite criteria and set terms) they can't just say "Stay home".

He has no control over if they deal him or not. Of course he wants to be dealt and to play somewhere. So I'm not sure what your point is about poking the bear. If 2 weeks go by and the team hasn't traded him this will be an issue.
 
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