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Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part LXXIX - Clever Title

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"Young stud wingers struggle on team with worst center depth in the league. News at 11."

There's blame to be shared for some of the struggles, but with Mika currently being a zombie, we don't have a 1st OR 2nd line caliber center on this roster. I always figured this would be addressed after the expansion draft, but no one could have guessed it would be going *this* poorly this year.
 
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RGY said:
Its not about Panarin being held back. Its the fact that Strome has been a detriment to the overall ply of that line. And because he is on Panarin’s line he is going to continue to get minutes. So no I dont look at it as ‘well if Panarin has xxxx he would be scoring 150 points!’ No I look at it as, if Panarin had a better Center, with the minutes that line gets per game, they would have possession of the puck longer. They would be in the offensive zone longer. He would have a center who can make clean zone entries and set up offensive possession.


The center position is just as a big of a fish as the 3rd pair on this team. But youre right Chytil is injured. And part of my post was suggesting that Chytil deserves his look on Panarin’s line when he returns. Strome has been miserable.


I consider Strome as part of that “dead cap space.” I am not counting any blessings. We have Chytil who could and should be the 2C at this point. Yes he is of course injured right now, but when he was healthy he was a better option than Strome.
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I could not disagree more with the bold.

If that were a factual statement, Panarin doesn't have the year he had last year.

Panarin is the driver for that line, the zone entries are better suited to be left to him.

The Rangers, regardless of who the center is, are better off with Artemi having the puck on his stick than a center having the puck on HIS stick.

He's not a slasher / sniper that is going to dart around the offensive zone looking for holes to get his shot off. He vision is what makes him an elite level player and that is best utilized when he has the puck. Not some other center.

I don't think you maximize AP's incredible skill set by taking the puck AWAY from him
 
SA16 said:
I have posted this before. The Jagr comments are not true. In 07-08 Jagr/Gomez played 514 minutes together with a 62.5 CF%, 61.8 GF%, and 60.7 xG%. It was one of the best lines in the league.

For the sake of comparison zero forwards had a CF% that high last year and two had an xG% that high (Pacioretty/Stone line).
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Great, Jagr had better possession metrics with Gomez than he did with Nylander

And his numbers took a 42% hit from 123 With Nylander to 71 with Scotty G

I'd prefer the Jagr/Nylander pair over Jagr/Gomez every daay of the week and twice on Sunday and it's reaally not close at all.
 
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Vitto79 said:
thought an RFA counted?
I would expose Strome anyway he likely doesn’t get taken and if he does go ufa shopping
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Pending RFA Fs can be exposed, but unless they're under contract for 2022 they do not meet the meet exposure requirements. That being said, I'm sure Howden will be under contract once the time comes. I agree, regardless of anyone's personal opinion about Strome, Seattle is unlikely to claim him and therefore he is the safer exposure.
 
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Kendo said:
"Young stud wingers struggle on team with worst center depth in the league. News at 11."

There's blame to be shared for some of the struggles, but with Mika currently being a zombie, we don't have a 1st OR 2nd line caliber center on this roster. I always figured this would be addressed after the expansion draft, but no one could have guessed it would be going *this* poorly this year.
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Just using the last game as a reference, we saw Lafreniere with some great passes that weren't buried, a Kakko shot that was met with a tremendous save, Lafreniere bird-dogging Dobson, Shesterkin keeping us tied, etc.

Yeah, adding to the stat line is desired. Winning is obviously desired. But I can't say I came away with concerns about the future.

To your point, I tended to think about how much better this team would be if Chytil were in the lineup and continuing to stake his claim for a top six role, and if Zibanaejad were firing on cylinders.
 
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pld459666 said:
Great, Jagr had better possession metrics with Gomez than he did with Nylander

And his numbers took a 42% hit from 123 With Nylander to 71 with Scotty G

I'd prefer the Jagr/Nylander pair over Jagr/Gomez every daay of the week and twice on Sunday and it's reaally not close at all.
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Not true. His numbers took a 22% from 05-06 to 06-07 going from Nylander to Nylander. Then they took another 26% hit going from Nylander to Gomez. Maybe he was just getting older and declining? Maybe 05-06 was just the highest scoring league in years with an insane number of PPs per game?

At even strength only he went:

05-06: 71 points (Nylander)
06-07: 55 points (Nylander - 23% dropoff)
07-08: 42 points (Gomez and friends - 24% dropoff)

Near identical dropoff two years in a row yet somehow Y3 is attributed to the change at center and Y2 is just entirely ignored.
 
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Vitto79 said:
i still think salary dumps like Stepan , Anisimov , Coburn make sense for Tony D
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Anisimov was just waived. Presumably if the Rangers were interested in a deal for him they would have already done it. Obviously nobody is going to claim Anisimov off waivers at 4.5M.
 
Kupo said:
That’s not really a knock on Strome. That’s just me labeling breadman as a freakshow stud who could have made Ray f***ing Charles a 15G+/30A+ forward with his plays last season.
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Then why didn't Fast put up those numbers?
 
SA16 said:
Not true. His numbers took a 22% from 05-06 to 06-07 going from Nylander to Nylander. Then they took another 26% hit going from Nylander to Gomez. Maybe he was just getting older and declining? Maybe 05-06 was just the highest scoring league in years with an insane number of PPs per game?

At even strength only he went:

05-06: 71 points (Nylander)
06-07: 55 points (Nylander - 23% dropoff)
07-08: 42 points (Gomez and friends - 24% dropoff)

Near identical dropoff two years in a row yet somehow Y3 is attributed to the change at center and Y2 is just entirely ignored.
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I'm still taking Jagr/Nylander

I'm also not comfortable adjusting stats for this, that or the other.

part of that is I do not have the time for it :naughty:
 
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pld459666 said:
I'm still taking Jagr/Nylander

I'm also not comfortable adjusting stats for this, that or the other.

part of that is I do not have the time for it :naughty:
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Never said I wouldn't take Nylander/Jagr over Gomez/Jagr. People act like Gomez/Jagr was some awful line. Completely false. It was one of the absolute best lines in the NHL that year.
 
SA16 said:
Never said I wouldn't take Nylander/Jagr over Gomez/Jagr. People act like Gomez/Jagr was some awful line. Completely false. It was one of the absolute best lines in the NHL that year.
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That's fair.

I did enjoy the way that Scott would enter the zone with speed by dumping and chasing down his own dump-in. that was fun to watch.
 
Avery16 said:
Too busy cleaning up Strome's defensive lapses on that line.
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Then problem solved. Why not simply play Rooney or Howden there and there is no need to worry about any salary cap issues as any one can do it and there is no need to replace those guys there.
 
SA16 said:
Not true. His numbers took a 22% from 05-06 to 06-07 going from Nylander to Nylander. Then they took another 26% hit going from Nylander to Gomez. Maybe he was just getting older and declining? Maybe 05-06 was just the highest scoring league in years with an insane number of PPs per game?

At even strength only he went:

05-06: 71 points (Nylander)
06-07: 55 points (Nylander - 23% dropoff)
07-08: 42 points (Gomez and friends - 24% dropoff)

Near identical dropoff two years in a row yet somehow Y3 is attributed to the change at center and Y2 is just entirely ignored.
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Shanahan was added in 06-07 where Rucinsky was in 05-06. No idea if that had any effect on anything, just adding in some context.
 
SA16 said:
Anisimov was just waived. Presumably if the Rangers were interested in a deal for him they would have already done it. Obviously nobody is going to claim Anisimov off waivers at 4.5M.
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I wouldn't mind a DeAngelo for Anisimov deal, because it is a contract that comes off the books this summer
 
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pld459666 said:
Great, Jagr had better possession metrics with Gomez than he did with Nylander

And his numbers took a 42% hit from 123 With Nylander to 71 with Scotty G

I'd prefer the Jagr/Nylander pair over Jagr/Gomez every daay of the week and twice on Sunday and it's reaally not close at all.
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This
I thought we were like 10 years past corsi as the darling fancystat? On ice stats like that are generally terrible for evaluating individual players and should be reserved for team performance, seeing how they have absolutely no context build into them.
 
Mr Misunderstood said:
Hi friends, not sure where to put this. But, I was really impressed with Di Giuseppe's offensive skill the other night (when I could make out his jersey number). I loved some of his vision/passing, stick handling and release.

Was a little surprised when I checked his career statistics post-game however. Was it just a good game for him? What's his deal?
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He’s been great with the Rangers. Just keeps it simple and plays hard.
 
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