Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part LXXIX - Clever Title

[ETTER DE]

If Gorton is given 4 more years to rebuild than he has been GM for 10 years. The team he inherited made the playoffs in 2016 and 2017. After the 2016 season he let most(all?) UFAs go and traded Brassard. After the 2017 season he bought out Girardi, forced Klein out and signed Smith and Shattenkirk to terrible contracts. And traded Stepan. That series against Ottawa and Brassard which Rangers lost, is his last playoff series. I can not see him lasting 4 more years without playoffs.
In fact, if Zibanejad is traded and not resigned you could argue that he lost the Brassard trade. The ground has to be burning under Gortons feet. Rangers will be active this summer.

 

[SRHRangers]

I think overachieving last year has sped up some expectations for this year.

The front office has put us in position to draft well and often since the letter came out. It's a top 3 system now.

The Panarin deal was a plus, but we basically outbidded against ourselves for Trouba.

I have a much bigger issue with Quinn than he front office. He thrives on handling NCAA prospects (Fox, Miller), but handles others more poorly (Kakko, he beginning of LaF)

I always had it in my head that 21-22 was the season to make a splash and I'm trying to keep with that notion.

One more big draft and have the pieces in place.

 

[rangers1314]

 

[Off Sides]

Zbad has a full no movement clause.

Not saying he would never waive it, yet in the future at some point if the Rangers are asking him to waive it, he probably is not returning all that much on the trade market anyway.

 

[IDvsEGO]

Zbad has a full no movement clause.

Not saying he would never waive it, yet in the future at some point if the Rangers are asking him to waive it, he probably is not returning all that much on the trade market anyway.

Mika right now definitely gets you a solid haul. He’s not performing but he’s still a 1c under 6m cap hit for another year. He’s still solid defensively and is a season removed from 40 goals. he probably gets you a 1st + A prospect and something.

 

[shnagle]

so long as we don’t see the Rangers extend all the vets which become over the hill and lose the prospects due the reality of the cap.

I honestly don't see that as a part of managements grand plan here but I can certainly understand the trepidation.

 

[Off Sides]

Mika right now definitely gets you a solid haul. He’s not performing but he’s still a 1c under 6m cap hit for another year. He’s still solid defensively and is a season removed from 40 goals. he probably gets you a 1st + A prospect and something.

He has a clause, so there would have to be some motivation on his part to want to be traded.

 

[True Blue]

Lias was handled like crap by this jack@ss coach and management.

Did jack@ss coach and management also travel to LA? Because he is not faring any better there.

 

[True Blue]

Tony?

Has to be

 

[NYSPORTS]

I honestly don't see that as a part of managements grand plan here but I can certainly understand the trepidation.

i was stunned Kreider wasn't moved at the deadline. To a lesser extent, i figured Strome was gone too. Possibly ADA and Fast would be shipped out.

Now here are. Kreider long term, Stome is back and ADA was resigned and benched after a game and now is sitting. That's a lot of money tied up in the above and what did the Ranger obtain at the trade deadline for the above? Nothing. They took on cap dollars.

Now if the team was winning i think we could all feel better. But we're losing and are not scoring. And these prospects, i know Kakko had ice time last night, but so often they aren't getting much ice time while these veterans are doing what?

We hope this irons itself out. It's no slam dunk though

 

[True Blue]

If Gorton is given 4 more years to rebuild than he has been GM for 10 years.

When did this "Four more years" narrative begin?

The ground has to be burning under Gortons feet. Rangers will be active this summer.

Active for what?

Gorton is about as safe as any GM in the league.

 

[IDvsEGO]

He has a clause, so there would have to be some motivation on his part to want to be traded.

I'd agree but alot of times a player will waive to some degree, especially if theres a reason. Not being able to offer the contract terms he wants is probably enough to get him to agree to a deal.
Staal waived his NMC, henrik would've waived had we straight up asked. Players will waive but they prob want either some say, or don't want to be surprised by a trade as a vet w/ a family.

 

[NikC]

Did jack@ss coach and management also travel to LA? Because he is not faring any better there.

damage was already done. wake up. stop making excuses for this org.

 

[gravey9]

Can he play center?

 

[Off Sides]

I'd agree but alot of times a player will waive to some degree, especially if theres a reason. Not being able to offer the contract terms he wants is probably enough to get him to agree to a deal.
Staal waived his NMC, henrik would've waived had we straight up asked. Players will waive but they prob want either some say, or don't want to be surprised by a trade as a vet w/ a family.

Yet by the time they traded Staal he was worth negative a 2nd. Hank they asked if he wanted to stay he kept telling them yes.

Zbad next year at the deadline I could see him maybe waiving, yet if the Rangers are anywhere near making the playoffs at that time I do not see them trading him.

 

[IDvsEGO]

i was stunned Kreider wasn't moved at the deadline. To a lesser extent, i figured Strome was gone too. Possibly ADA and Fast would be shipped out.

Now here are. Kreider long term, Stome is back and ADA was resigned and benched after a game and now is sitting. That's a lot of money tied up in the above and what did the Ranger obtain at the trade deadline for the above? Nothing. They took on cap dollars.

Now if the team was winning i think we could all feel better. But we're losing and are not scoring. And these prospects, i know Kakko had ice time last night, but so often they aren't getting much ice time while these veterans are doing what?

We hope this irons itself out. It's no slam dunk though

I feel like you're purposely ignoring the good parts of what we did, and why things happened this off season.
We tried to move strome this off season, got nothing we considered enough value (per multiple reports), same with ADA. That ADA tanked his own value isn't something that's predictable.
People hating on the kreider signing is just revisionist history. He's signed for a little longer than i'd like but 6.5 for a top 6 forward is about good value, you also have to factor in that it was expected we'd get a top 10 pick and grab a center, not 1OA and an immediate top 6 winger.

We have more money tied up in our buyouts this year than ADA + Strome combined. Next year was always going to be the better year for us, and this was supposed to be the last "building year", we should be close to a playoff spot "in theory" but kids are kids and the progression isnt always steady up.

Miller showing top 4 pairing, and Laf being an immediate addition, and Chytil's play before injury were all massive positives. Chytil was our best center before injury, and losing him hurt alot.

 

[True Blue]

damage was already done. wake up. stop making excuses for this org.

He is 21. He picked up his ball and ran away home last year after not being awarded a starting spot. In other words, he decided he he was better than Chytil and did not need to show management that he is deserving. THEN he ran away back to Sweden. After sending out odd messages, he then got his wish and was traded at the age of 21 to LA. Where the Kings have played 11 games and he has dressed for 8, has all of one point and is averaging 11:25 of ice time.

Yup all on the NYR coaching and front office.

 

[IDvsEGO]

Yet by the time they traded Staal he was worth negative a 2nd. Hank they asked if he wanted to stay he kept telling them yes.

Zbad next year at the deadline I could see him maybe waiving, yet if the Rangers are anywhere near making the playoffs at that time I do not see them trading him.

I think Mika moving will be entirely on his contract ask.
He's earned a big / long contract, but if he wants to stay, and contend and is willing to come down on years, we can absolutely make it work.
If he takes a 8m/4 -5 contract, or something similar, I think we absolutely resign him.

Especially with a flat cap and not alot of cap space overall with the exception of Seattle, this may be the perfect time to lock players up long term.

 

[NikC]

He is 21. He picked up his ball and ran away home last year after not being awarded a starting spot. In other words, he decided he he was better than Chytil and did not need to show management that he is deserving. THEN he ran away back to Sweden. After sending out odd messages, he then got his wish and was traded at the age of 21 to LA. Where the Kings have played 11 games and he has dressed for 8, has all of one point and is averaging 11:25 of ice time.

Yup all on the NYR coaching and front office.

lol, yeah i'm sure it went down just like that. He was getting benched from Quinn from day one.

Yeah i'm sure he played a part, and so did D'Angelo, but this organization is asleep at the wheel far too often.
For every good move they make, they make 2 bad moves that undoes the good.

all you do is make excuses for this organization..

 

[NYSPORTS]

I feel like you're purposely ignoring the good parts of what we did, and why things happened this off season.
We tried to move strome this off season, got nothing we considered enough value (per multiple reports), same with ADA. That ADA tanked his own value isn't something that's predictable.
People hating on the kreider signing is just revisionist history. He's signed for a little longer than i'd like but 6.5 for a top 6 center is about good value, you also have to factor in that it was expected we'd get a top 10 pick and grab a center, not 1OA and an immediate top 6 winger.

We have more money tied up in our buyouts this year than ADA + Strome combined. Next year was always going to be the better year for us, and this was supposed to be the last "building year", we should be close to a playoff spot "in theory" but kids are kids and the progression isnt always steady up.

Miller showing top 4 pairing, and Laf being an immediate addition, and Chytil's play before injury were all massive positives. Chytil was our best center before injury, and losing him hurt alot.

ty but purposely ignoring the good for what purpose? I'm looking at the cap and development.

i think you meant top 6 forward with Kreider. Yeah, the numbers aren't bad but it's a problem if you want to resign Buch . . . and Zibby with Panarin already here and Trouba.

We will see.

i think Laf and Kakko will get paid a ton. Fox and Miller will cost a hefty penny. Out goalie is going to cost dollars. Krav and Nils are on the way and all of these kids will cost more within 3-5 years. The Rangers do not need big dollars tied up in an older Panarin, Kreider, Zibby, Trouba and maybe Buch for an extra 2 years when the team needs all the dollars they can get IMO.

Just trying to budget

 

[True Blue]

lol, yeah i'm sure it went down just like that. He was getting benched from Quinn from day one.

It did happen just like that.

Yeah i'm sure he played a part, and so did D'Angelo, but this organization is asleep at the wheel far too often.

Explain

For every good move they make, they make 2 bad moves that undoes the good.

What is this list of bad moves?

 

[IDvsEGO]

ty but purposely ignoring the good for what purpose? I'm looking at the cap and development.

i think you meant top 6 forward with Kreider. Yeah, the numbers aren't bad but it's a problem if you want to resign Buch . . . and Zibby with Panarin already here and Trouba.

We will see.

I mean i don’t see buch staying around. Kk + Kratsov are both top 6 wings and we can use him to find a center.

 

[NYR Viper]

If the Rangers are clearly out of the playoff picture come this deadline, I would consider punting on the season and trading Zibanejad IF the offer was right.

 

[NYSPORTS]

I mean i don’t see buch staying around. Kk + Kratsov are both top 6 wings and we can use him to find a center.

love that idea. Buch for the center i like. I'll even sweeten the deal for the center so long as most of the young wings remain.

 

[IDvsEGO]

love that idea. Buch for the center i like. I'll even sweeten the deal for the center so long as most of the young wings remain.

I mean I think this off season we're probably solidifying our core / prospects. I think we end up trading with LA for a center. Probably using our RHD prospect (lundkvist is the most likely in my head).
I have a feeling that this off season we look at our prospect depth and do similar with what we did with keane, and move him for a missing piece. Gautier wasn't "that" but it was a solid attempt.