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Ola said:
The criticism of the JJ signing is ridiculous.

Our D coach coached him last season, our Prez has seen him nightly for years. We know exactly what we are getting and decided that it was worth a 1 year buriable contract.

The Cap is remaining flat 21/22 and 22/23 too. Even if money is of the books, it won’t be easy for us. What irks me the most is also that this and next season also are ‘golden’ contender years for teams coming of a rebuild while the kids are on ELCs. Anaheim and Chicago both won while their future core was on ELCs. Imagine what Gorton could have done if he didn’t have what 18m in wasted cap space.

If Gorton don’t want to commit monies beyond this year it’s easy to understand.
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I agree overall, but I think much of the reason for many people's distress about JJ specifically is that we are in such a terrible cap situation because we invested a lot of money into pretty bad players, all defensemen, and all of them were evaluated as 'good' in the same ways JJ is (minus Shattenkirk). Personally, I'm not that worried about JJ sticking around for long, but I think there is plenty of concern in management continuing a trend by signing him as regards how they evaluate defensemen. This year may be a cheap Jack Johnson, but there were obviously equally cheap and way less terrible players available.

So it's great that we're stacking forward talent, but Girardi, Staal, Smith, Shattenkirk, and to an extent, Trouba (who many people, including myself thought came in at too high a number) continue to plague our cap flexibility. Then there's the whiffs (Skjei, McIlrath). That's not to mention the pieces it's lost us on the backend (Stralman, Yandle, now likely DeAngelo). It's not a great look for management that they chose JJ and that over-the-top reaction from fans I think has less to do with the signing in a vacuum but in relation to a long resume of horrific evaluation and cap distribution among defensemen for a decade now.
 
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Richard Banger said:
Guys.. we don’t need wingers! We need Centers!! :laugh:

adding more wingers doesn’t fix that problem.
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SIGN SOMEBODY!!!!!



Just kidding. I do like Granlund as a guy who provides some flexibility a la Strome. Boyle and Brassard as well. Guys who can play Center and Wing. Insurance to Chytil as the 3C and Howden as the 4C, both of whom I think are better served on the wings for their careers moving forward, especially Howden.
 
Just some Forwards to keep an eye on:

Mikael Granlund
Lucas Wallmark
Dominik Kahun



And if we trade Tony Deangelo and/or Smith, Slater Cuckoo, Ben Hutton, Erik Gustafsson and Madison Bowey are better options than JMFJ.
 
Pizza said:
Lol!

This thread is evolving into comedy gold!

Perhaps it's a bit of Covid induced hysteria, but if this thread is any indication, Rangers fans are even more physcho than usual, Ha! Ha!
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the Rangers fans have a bit of Yankee in them. WE NEED MORE!!!! It’s not desperation as much as it is greed.

A lifetime of predominantly draft nothings has done a sudden 180 which can be confusing. The debate of which Ferraro bro jersey, Peter or Chris, has been replaced with Kakko or Laf. The stress of which number Laf will wear causes unbearable stress and anxiety . . . especially this close the holidays when fans are usually shopping for themselves.
 
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NYSPORTS said:
the Rangers fans have a bit of Yankee in them. WE NEED MORE!!!! It’s not desperation as much as it is greed.

A lifetime of predominantly draft nothings has done a sudden 180 which can be confusing. The debate of which Ferraro bro jersey, Peter or Chris, has been replaced with Kakko or Laf. The stress of which number Laf will wear causes unbearable stress and anxiety . . . especially this close the holidays when fans are usually shopping for themselves.
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Nice reference on the Ferraros, holy smokes the dark days
 
Think we will see Strome back another year, and a LHD corps that will make us barf for the coming season.
is there even any team with the cap/internal cap to sign Strome to a 4,5 mill a year deal around in the league?

This years team will most likely be better then last season team, but not because of elements added from outside the organization.
The teams improvement will come from growth from young players, and we got a ton of young players getting to grow.

The list of players that we should hope takes another step, big or small is long and goes from goalie to forwards
-Shesterkin and Georgiev in goal.
-Fox, Lindgren and Deangelo on defence.
- Kakko, Gauthier, Chytil and Howden as forwards.
9 players on the club that together should bring a needed boost.
Then we can add Lafreniere and several young players that can grab a spot and provide even more growth to the game.
Would not surprise me if a Barron, Kravtsov or Gettinger makes us happy not signing a vet for 2 mill, or a Miller or Reunanen does the same for LHD.
 
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Canucks/Rangers proposal

Brendan Smith for Brandon Sutter??

would this be a fair trade?


basically a need for a need with high salary. both UFA at season ends.
 
Oscar Lindberg said:
Due to cap concerns the Rangers are planning to have a "PLD" promotion for next season, "Play Left D"

Each game one lucky fan will be chosen to get minutes on the left side, and they'll be able to keep the jersey as payment
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Johnson-Fox
Is Not - Trouba
Gonna Play - Tony D
 
The more i think of it. The more i like not signing a LD. We have Rykov, Reunanen, Hajek, Miller, Robertson all knocking on the door. Let them compete for it. Especially Hajek and Rykov who are older.

time to put up or shut up
 
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Leetch3 said:
van is probably looking for RD
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Smith can play either side, but I don't think he's what they are looking for. They might make a Sutter for Smith deal, though.

That said, I don't think we would. If we are moving Smith, we need to save some cap space on the deal. Smith can play forward, LD or RD. That versatility means we can carry him as our only spare player. If we trade him for Sutter, then we need to also add a spare dman.
 
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GAGLine said:
Smith can play either side, but I don't think he's what they are looking for. They might make a Sutter for Smith deal, though.

That said, I don't think we would. If we are moving Smith, we need to save some cap space on the deal. Smith can play forward, LD or RD. That versatility means we can carry him as our only spare player. If we trade him for Sutter, then we need to also add a spare dman.
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Bitetto was just signed. we can use depth from Hartford AHL vets as spare dman.
 
Smith himself is an upgrade on Staal from last year so IMO they should just keep him. Honestly, as has been mentioned a few times, I'd actually be okay re-signing Smith for a couple of years at $1.5m per season if he would accept it. He'd be a nice veteran depth role player for the team as it moves towards contention and he plays an aggressive style which would be useful.
 
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I'm gonna disagree with @Edge a bit. If I'm Mikael Granlund, I'd jump at the Rangers offer (whatever it is. I assume it's a "prove-it" deal.). We just saw Ryan Strome put up nearly 60 points on a line with Panarin. If Granlund signs here (and I'm going to assume that the KZB line remains together), he'd be centering a line with either the best playmaking W in the league and an extremely talented and native countryman in Kakko, OR he'd be centering the first overall pick and (I'm assuming) a physical freak like Gauthier.

I mean if he wants to rebuild his value to his 2017 version, how does he not sign here? I hope his agent has told him that.
 
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DutchShamrock said:
Here's a really good write up in the Athletic about the Flyers lack of activity in free agency. It is behind a paywall, sorry:
Why have the Flyers sat out free agency? Making sense of their early inaction

I know its another team. But it honestly could have been written about the rangers. Its a good way to objectively assess our situation.

Cap crunch, bad fit with the center market, free agents passed on the team, poor market for their offensive right d, the main pieces are in place, fans are clamoring for a move.
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One good point in that article which we haven't yet discussed here: even if the Rangers are unable to swing a deal to "set" the roster during the offseason (e.g. one of the various permutations of the Calgary deal we've talked about ad infinitum), that doesn't mean they couldn't simply sign all their pieces, enter the season as-is... and then do a deal at the 1/4, 1/2, or 3/4 mark of next season, once teams get a better handle on their PO chances and cap space frees up.
 
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TheDirtyH said:
I agree overall, but I think much of the reason for many people's distress about JJ specifically is that we are in such a terrible cap situation because we invested a lot of money into pretty bad players, all defensemen, and all of them were evaluated as 'good' in the same ways JJ is (minus Shattenkirk). Personally, I'm not that worried about JJ sticking around for long, but I think there is plenty of concern in management continuing a trend by signing him as regards how they evaluate defensemen. This year may be a cheap Jack Johnson, but there were obviously equally cheap and way less terrible players available.

So it's great that we're stacking forward talent, but Girardi, Staal, Smith, Shattenkirk, and to an extent, Trouba (who many people, including myself thought came in at too high a number) continue to plague our cap flexibility. Then there's the whiffs (Skjei, McIlrath). That's not to mention the pieces it's lost us on the backend (Stralman, Yandle, now likely DeAngelo). It's not a great look for management that they chose JJ and that over-the-top reaction from fans I think has less to do with the signing in a vacuum but in relation to a long resume of horrific evaluation and cap distribution among defensemen for a decade now.
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JJ's contract is nothing like the big money, big term contracts of other past Dmen. It's 1 mil for 1 year and almost all of it can be buried, quite unlike any of the other contracts of Staal, Girardi, Shatty, and Smith. He's a stopgap, insurance, and that is all. He may play regular minutes at some point during the season but he will not be playing 18 minutes a night on our top D pair either. He is just to buy time for the plethora of young Dmen that will be here in a year or 2. Seriously if I didn't know the details of the contract I would have thought he was signed to a 4x4 the way some people were reacting, or should I say overreacting.
 
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