Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part LXVI

[aufheben]

How about.. Don't tell all your supporters that this is just a quick retool, tank it 100%, then sign incompetent rejects to fill holes all because you f***ed up the cap by making shit signings in the first place?
How many excuses you going to come up with for a terrible job?

Can you just...not?

 

[Edge]

How about.. Don't tell all your supporters that this is just a quick retool, tank it 100%, then sign incompetent rejects to fill holes all because you f***ed up the cap by making shit signings in the first place?
How many excuses you going to come up with for a terrible job?

We have the number one cupboard of young talent in the sport.

We’ve collected in 30 months what some teams don’t collect in a decade.

We signed Jack Johnson for six months and a bunch of guys to fill out the AHL roster.

What rejects are we banking our future on?

What golden opportunities are we passing on that don’t involve a trade?

A week ago, almost everyone knew our solutions were going to come via trade. Nothing has changed in that time.

 

[Edge]

Can you just...not?

No dude, some people can’t.

That’s the problem this board is having right now and why everyone laughs at the whole island joke, but also kind of sighs as well.

 

[NYR]

I just think.. When it comes to players.
If it ain't broke don't fix it especially when it comes to the bottom 6 which has been completely neglected.

It's a 4 line game now and eventually you're gonna have to pay someone..

 

[Edge]

What do you think their plan will be if they walk away from Strome?

I think they’re still trying to get a trade done. That’s always been the preference. The key is not overpaying and moving salary to make it work.

 

[NYR]

Who says we weren't offering similar deals to Fast or the other depth players?

We can't hold players at gun point to sign here. Maybe these players saw a better fit elsewhere.

I'm not buying that Fast couldn't have signed here unless he hates DQ

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

I think they’re still trying to get a trade done. That’s always been the preference. The key is not overpaying and moving salary to make it work.

So I presume if they can’t get a trade done, they won’t walk away from Strome

 

[Edge]

Did you mean that the way it sounds at first blush...?

Meant the latter.

 

[gravey9]

No dude, some people can’t.

That’s the problem this board is having right now and why everyone laughs at the whole island joke, but also kind of sighs as well.

Rebuilds are unpredictable, scary and at times, uncomfortable. And people just need to vent frustrations -- technically its part of the process I guess.

 

[Edge]

I'm not buying that Fast couldn't have signed here unless he hates DQ

Carolina offered him an additional year, close to $2 million dollars, and arguably more job security. Other than really really loving the Rangers, why wouldn’t he take that offer?

 

[Edge]

Rebuilds are unpredictable, scary and at times, uncomfortable. And people just need to vent frustrations -- technically its part of the process I guess.

Look man I get that, but people can’t just go guano loco and throw on sense of reasoning out the window either. Especially when the biggest change between now and a week ago is Jack Johnson.

The dude sucks, but he ain’t worth that much mental anguish either.

The choice wasn’t him over Vince Dunn

 

[Edge]

So I presume if they can’t get a trade done, they won’t walk away from Strome

Really depends on that number. If Strome and ADA both come in at around $5 million, shit is gonna get real.

 

[haohmaru]

JJ I suspect was brought in because of uncertainty of the Rangers having access to Miller, Reunanen and other options. I think that was more of a hedge move based on uncertainty of the AHL, potentially wanting to limit guys going back and forth during a pandemic, etc..

Meh, he's not a solution to anything. Play a young guy there, Bitteto there, whoever the heck there. I don't care. We miraculously get rid of Staal and somehow replace him with a guy that's worse.

Fast I honestly think came down to preferences. The Rangers didn’t want to go to a third year, Fast took the third year, the job security and the extra $1.9 million.

Yeah, but you sign him to the three year deal and he's on what, pretty much, could be considered a value contract that's easy to move at the deadline. Any deadline. Let the young guys mature and ship him out for a 3rd next year or the year after's deadline.

Re: Georgiev, it feels like he’s been part of a million conversations since January. But so far no deal. Don’t know if that’s totally on the Rangers, on the offers, or a little bit of both.

Yeah, I mean if there's nothing there that's worth it then I get it. I trade him with or without the Lundqvist buyout. He's going to want to start, too, at some point and that future is pretty bleak here.

Re: Hank, there’s no polite way to put this. It was never going to work for him staying on this roster. Both sides knew that and accepted it. Lundqvist did not have a desire to be a mentor, and forcing that role wouldn’t have been good for him, Shesterkin or the team. I’ll leave it at that and say it was about more than money.

Is this specific to the NYR because of the history and the weight that he carries in this organization? Because I get that, if that's the case. If not, it looks to me like he did exactly what you're saying he didn't want to do three hours south of here (backup, mentor, etc...)

And, honestly, I do see this as the Rangers doing Henrik a solid here and not as some bitter ending to soil his legacy here. I just don't know that it was best for the Rangers over the next two years and considering the high regard that Shesterkin apparently has for him.

 

[gravey9]

Look man I get that, but people can’t just go guano loco and throw on sense of reasoning out the window either. Especially when the biggest change between now and a week ago is Jack Johnson.

The dude sucks, but he ain’t worth that much mental anguish either.

The choice wasn’t him over Vince Dunn

Couldn't agree more. I'm not worried about YOU having issues with a rebuild...

 

[gravey9]

Yeah, but you sign him to the three year deal and he's on what, pretty much, could be considered a value contract that's easy to move at the deadline. Any deadline. Let the young guys mature and ship him out for a 3rd next year or the year after's deadline.

Well, I would argue that Fast and his agent understood that. Why sign with a team that likely could move you at any of the next 3 deadlines. And then who knows how many times after that he might get moved. Carolina is a head of us in terms of their build. They are closer to competing. There's more potential stability for Fast going there. He stays here, he might need to keep a bag packed.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

I think it’s possible the team wants Smith for next season, but I have hard believing the Rangers can’t move him if it came down to it

If Anaheim can move Gudbranson without attaching an asset or retaining, I gotta believe Smith can be moved

 

[NYR]

We have the number one cupboard of young talent in the sport.

We’ve collected in 30 months what some teams don’t collect in a decade.

We signed Jack Johnson for six months and a bunch of guys to fill out the AHL roster.

What rejects are we banking our future on?

What golden opportunities are we passing on that don’t involve a trade?

A week ago, almost everyone knew our solutions were going to come via trade. Nothing has changed in that time.

I understand that not every trade proposal works out but I just can't for the life of me ever understand how you regress in this situation.

JJ doesn't bother me so much unless he's going to be #2D.

The age old formula is to surround yourself with solid prospects which they have and have solid veterans to lead the way and teach the prospects.

Do you see any of that going on?

 

[Daves a mess]

Oh, don't get me wrong, a lot of this is because the Rangers put themselves here precisely with some of the stuff above - I get it. Still, JJ over Fast over saving themselves, what, $850K? Is a player like Fast more important than JJ? It's not even close. Strome is still a huge decision pending his arbitration hearing barring a trade - which I think would've happened by now if someone, anyone, else thought he could replicate '19-20 without Panarin. Pretty clear that's not the case.

This is why I would've traded Georgiev for an asset (2nd maybe, in next year's draft?) - because this season is probably going to be more painful. A guy like Kinkaid or riding out Lundqvist's last year frees up more space (Lundqvist in '21-22) than the JJ/Fast difference.

I'm not devastated, or anything, and I get it. I'm still a little disappointed.

JJ for 1 year. Fast for 3. That's the difference.
They obviously don't see a spot for him on RW a year from now.

 

[Alluckks]

Sometimes, like when I see a mod calling someone out, I get genuinely curious about who it is

 

[wafflepadsave]

This has been directionless I don’t know how else to put it. Nobody knows what the Rangers are doing right now. No clue

Is that including the Rangers?

 

[Edge]

Meh, he's not a solution to anything. Play a young guy there, Bitteto there, whoever the heck there. I don't care. We miraculously get rid of Staal and somehow replace him with a guy that's worse.



Yeah, but you sign him to the three year deal and he's on what, pretty much, could be considered a value contract that's easy to move at the deadline. Any deadline. Let the young guys mature and ship him out for a 3rd next year or the year after's deadline.



Yeah, I mean if there's nothing there that's worth it then I get it. I trade him with or without the Lundqvist buyout. He's going to want to start, too, at some point and that future is pretty bleak here.



Is this specific to the NYR because of the history and the weight that he carries in this organization? Because I get that, if that's the case. If not, it looks to me like he did exactly what you're saying he didn't want to do three hours south of here (backup, mentor, etc...)

And, honestly, I do see this as the Rangers doing Henrik a solid here and not as some bitter ending to soil his legacy here. I just don't know that it was best for the Rangers over the next two years and considering the high regard that Shesterkin apparently has for him.

I’m doing this on a phone so breaking this into sections really makes it hard to respond, but I’ll do my best.

1. I don’t think anyone views JJ as a solution to anything. I think he is a six month hedge right now. No more, no less.

Even if have someone on par with Staal, we’re doing it at 1/4 the cost. If things are tight right now, they’re even tighter with Staal.

2. Yes, you just reinforced my point. Fast could be moved by the Rangers. I think he was well aware of that factor. The Rangers simply did not want to go three years for him. Even if they had, I’m really not entirely sure the outcome would be different. It may have increased the odds, but I looking at this roster, I just don’t know if Fast would’ve have the peace of mind knowing the Rangers long term hope for him was to become a fifth wheel and trade him. Because that’s ultimately what the Rangers preference would be.

3. Re: Georgiev, there’s interest there and we’ll see if a deal comes along. They’ve been close a few times.

4. Re: Lundqvist, let’s just leave it at it not being a good fit personality wise right now. There’s no where this conversation is going to go where it doesn’t sound like I am shitting on the guy. But his personality is what it is, and that’s why he has achieved what he’s achieved. From both a locker room standpoint, and from the perspective of relationships within that locker room, it was just best for all to move on.

And no, he ain’t in Washington to mentor. He expects to challenge that guy and push him.

 

[Pizza]

Can you just...not?

It's always hilariously surprising how negative some Rangers fans can be in the face of massive success.

The sun NEVER shines for some people.

Which is ok in my book.

More sunshine for me.

 

[bbny]

Really depends on that number. If Strome and ADA both come in at around $5 million, shit is gonna get real.

Isn't that about the expectation though? If it's not, I don't see why it wouldn't be.

 

[Edge]

I understand that not every trade proposal works out but I just can't for the life of me ever understand how you regress in this situation.

JJ doesn't bother me so much unless he's going to be #2D.

The age old formula is to surround yourself with solid prospects which they have and have solid veterans to lead the way and teach the prospects.

Do you see any of that going on?

I don’t think we’ve regressed. We lost Staal and Fast, we added Johnson and Lafreniere.

We have Panarin, Kreider, Trouba, Buch, Smith, Zibanejad and Johnson as our vets. Maybe Strome.

Any improvement we see this next season is going to come from young players progressing, not veteran free agent signings. That’s not a new concept, it would be the same expectation if we signed Fast and kept Staal instead of Johnson.

The solution wasn’t coming from this weekend. It never was unless we were completing a trade.

 

[Tawnos]

Despite the Jack Johnson signing, even if the Rangers do nothing else, they still had one of the best off-seasons of any team in the league. Let’s not forget that.