Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part LXVI

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Yup, exactly.

We got worse defensively, worse PK'ing, and lost our best defensive forward. Not sure who is filling those shoes, but the answer isn't Jack Johnson.

And, I think we all take for granted how hard Fast works along the boards. Panarin & Co. are going to miss him.

Barring a decent Strome or ADA trade, this weekend has been a loss.

This weekend, without a trade, was always going to be an uphill battle.

A lot of people wanted Panarin and Trouba last year.

A lot of people wanted Kreider this spring.

A lot of people don’t want to take 75 cents on the dollar for ADA.

We all love having the prime young talent like Lafreniere, Miller, Kakko, etc.

Combine all that with dead cap space and there isn’t a whole lot to work with unless we are making a deal where we ship contracts out.

And then you factor in guys wanting security from being dealt, or wanting to avoid certain hot spots, or preferring taxes elsewhere, and you’ve got a tough climate.

And who have we really missed out on here? Wennberg? Forbort? Koivu?

I mean I want to improve the team like everyone else, but I don’t know if I see shining beacons upon those seas.
 
And who have we really missed out on here? Wennberg? Forbort? Koivu?

I mean I want to improve the team like everyone else, but I don’t know if I see shining beacons upon those seas.
We obviously missed out on:

  • Eichel
  • Barkov
  • Monahan
  • Lindholm
  • The other Lindholm
  • Laine
  • Pietrangelo
  • Krug
They were all supposed to be Rangers. All of them. Fire Grots!
 
We obviously missed out on:

  • Eichel
  • Barkov
  • Monahan
  • Lindholm
  • The other Lindholm
  • Laine
  • Pietrangelo
  • Krug
They were all supposed to be Rangers. All of them. Fire Grots!

We don't know that. Can a sign and trade still happen?
 
Lol koivu. Guy has 12 goals in his last 103 games and he’s not getting any younger, faster or more durable. But yeah let’s freak out.
 
This weekend, without a trade, was always going to be an uphill battle.

A lot of people wanted Panarin and Trouba last year.

A lot of people wanted Kreider this spring.

A lot of people don’t want to take 75 cents on the dollar for ADA.

We all love having the prime young talent like Lafreniere, Miller, Kakko, etc.

Combine all that with dead cap space and there isn’t a whole lot to work with unless we are making a deal where we ship contracts out.

And then you factor in guys wanting security from being dealt, or wanting to avoid certain hot spots, or preferring taxes elsewhere, and you’ve got a tough climate.

And who have we really missed out on here? Wennberg? Forbort? Koivu?

I mean I want to improve the team like everyone else, but I don’t know if I see shining beacons upon those seas.

Oh, don't get me wrong, a lot of this is because the Rangers put themselves here precisely with some of the stuff above - I get it. Still, JJ over Fast over saving themselves, what, $850K? Is a player like Fast more important than JJ? It's not even close. Strome is still a huge decision pending his arbitration hearing barring a trade - which I think would've happened by now if someone, anyone, else thought he could replicate '19-20 without Panarin. Pretty clear that's not the case.

This is why I would've traded Georgiev for an asset (2nd maybe, in next year's draft?) - because this season is probably going to be more painful. A guy like Kinkaid or riding out Lundqvist's last year frees up more space (Lundqvist in '21-22) than the JJ/Fast difference.

I'm not devastated, or anything, and I get it. I'm still a little disappointed.
 
Does someone have a recap of what buyouts carry over and come off when?

Brendan Smith + Jack Johnson as UFAs = 5.5

Girardi, Spooner, Shattenkirk, Lundqvist buyouts either going away or being reduced = 8.95

RFAs next year:
Lindgren
Chytil
Buchnevich
Gauthier
Howden
Shesterkin

Possible RFAs next year depending on what happens:
Deangelo
Strome
Lemiuex
Georgiev

Total = 14.45 in cap available extra for certain*

*Could be more depending on expiring deals we could give current RFAs, we currently have 19.73 in cap space to sign current RFAs and pay Rookie Bonuses


BUYOUTS THAT CARRY OVER:
Girardi - 1.111 next year and year after - Expires before 2023-24 season
Shattenkirk - 1.433 next year and year after - Expires before 2023-24 season
Lundqvist - 1.5 next year - Expires before 2022-23 season
 
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Brendan Smith + Jack Johnson as UFAs = 5.5

Girardi, Spooner, Shattenkirk, Lundqvist buyouts either going away or being reduced = 8.95

Lindgren, Chytil, Buchnevich, Gauthier, Howden as RFAs next year

ADA, Strome, Lemiuex, Georgiev as possible RFAs depending on what happens

Don't forget Shesh being an RFA!
 
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We obviously missed out on:

  • Eichel
  • Barkov
  • Monahan
  • Lindholm
  • The other Lindholm
  • Laine
  • Pietrangelo
  • Krug
They were all supposed to be Rangers. All of them. Fire Grots!
We have $16M in cap space and all we have to show for it is Jack MFing Johnson

Fire Gorton
 
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Pegula: Jack! Great news! We signed Taylor Hall for ya pal!

Eichel: that’s fantastic! Finally someone who can keep up with me! So for how many years is he gonna be my wing man? 6? 7?

Pegula: well here’s the thing Jack, we only signed him for a year. This way when we’re out of it again at the trade deadline we can trade him for more young assets that’ll help you down the road! Isn’t that a great idea?!

Eichel: last seen jumping into Niagara Falls
 
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This weekend, without a trade, was always going to be an uphill battle.

A lot of people wanted Panarin and Trouba last year.

A lot of people wanted Kreider this spring.

A lot of people don’t want to take 75 cents on the dollar for ADA.

We all love having the prime young talent like Lafreniere, Miller, Kakko, etc.

Combine all that with dead cap space and there isn’t a whole lot to work with unless we are making a deal where we ship contracts out.

And then you factor in guys wanting security from being dealt, or wanting to avoid certain hot spots, or preferring taxes elsewhere, and you’ve got a tough climate.

And who have we really missed out on here? Wennberg? Forbort? Koivu?

I mean I want to improve the team like everyone else, but I don’t know if I see shining beacons upon those seas.

How about.. Don't tell all your supporters that this is just a quick retool, tank it 100%, then sign incompetent rejects to fill holes all because you f***ed up the cap by making shit signings in the first place?
How many excuses you going to come up with for a terrible job?
 
Oh, don't get me wrong, a lot of this is because the Rangers put themselves here precisely with some of the stuff above - I get it. Still, JJ over Fast over saving themselves, what, $850K? Is a player like Fast more important than JJ? It's not even close. Strome is still a huge decision pending his arbitration hearing barring a trade - which I think would've happened by now if someone, anyone, else thought he could replicate '19-20 without Panarin. Pretty clear that's not the case.

This is why I would've traded Georgiev for an asset (2nd maybe, in next year's draft?) - because this season is probably going to be more painful. A guy like Kinkaid or riding out Lundqvist's last year frees up more space than the JJ/Fast difference.

I'm not devastated, or anything, and I get it. I'm still a little disappointed.

I will say that I think JJ and Fast are somewhat independent of one another.

JJ I suspect was brought in because of uncertainty of the Rangers having access to Miller, Reunanen and other options. I think that was more of a hedge move based on uncertainty of the AHL, potentially wanting to limit guys going back and forth during a pandemic, etc.

Fast I honestly think came down to preferences. The Rangers didn’t want to go to a third year, Fast took the third year, the job security and the extra $1.9 million.

I think we could swap out JJ for Forobort, Koivu and any other name we want, but it probably doesn’t change the Fast landscape.

Right now the Rangers are looking at Buch, Kakko, Gauthier and quite possibly Kreider on the right side. Even moving Kreider to the left, I’m not sure they wanted to go 3 years on a guy they hope is their fourth line RW by the end of the season.

Likewise, Fast is looking at the same landscape and figuring the Rangers might be looking to say goodbye sooner rather than later (trade, expansion draft). So what’s his motivation to take less term and money?

Re: Georgiev, it feels like he’s been part of a million conversations since January. But so far no deal. Don’t know if that’s totally on the Rangers, on the offers, or a little bit of both.

Re: Hank, there’s no polite way to put this. It was never going to work for him staying on this roster. Both sides knew that and accepted it. Lundqvist did not have a desire to be a mentor, and forcing that role wouldn’t have been good for him, Shesterkin or the team. I’ll leave it at that and say it was about more than money.

I don’t think free agency was ever the next phase for the team like it was for fans apparently. And keeping in mind, this team is still trying to figure out what dollar amount ADA and Strome might come in at next season. The latter will either stay for a year or be traded. The former could very well be let go depending on what number comes into play. But combined both guys could be looking at a price tag of close to $10m.
 
How about.. Don't tell all your supporters that this is just a quick retool, tank it 100%, then sign incompetent rejects to fill holes all because you f***ed up the cap by making shit signings in the first place?
How many excuses you going to come up with for a terrible job?

Who says we weren't offering similar deals to Fast or the other depth players?

We can't hold players at gun point to sign here. Maybe these players saw a better fit elsewhere.
 
I will say that I think JJ and Fast are somewhat independent of one another.

JJ I suspect was brought in because of uncertainty of the Rangers having access to Miller, Reunanen and other options. I think that was more of a hedge move based on uncertainty of the AHL, potentially wanting to limit guys going back and forth during a pandemic, etc.

Fast I honestly think came down to preferences. The Rangers didn’t want to go to a third year, Fast took the third year, the job security and the extra $1.9 million.

I think we could swap out JJ for Forobort, Koivu and any other name we want, but it probably doesn’t change the Fast landscape.

Right now the Rangers are looking at Buch, Kakko, Gauthier and quite possibly Kreider on the right side. Even moving Kreider to the left, I’m not sure they wanted to go 3 years on a guy they hope is their fourth line RW by the end of the season.

Likewise, Fast is looking at the same landscape and figuring the Rangers might be looking to say goodbye sooner rather than later (trade, expansion draft). So what’s his motivation to take less term and money?

Re: Georgiev, it feels like he’s been part of a million conversations since January. But so far no deal. Don’t know if that’s totally on the Rangers, on the offers, or a little bit of both.

Re: Hank, there’s no polite way to put this. It was never going to work for him staying on this roster. Both sides knew that and accepted it. Lundqvist did not have a desire to be a mentor, and forcing that role wouldn’t have been good for him, Shesterkin or the team. I’ll leave it at that and say it was about more than money.

I don’t think free agency was ever the next phase for the team like it was for fans apparently. And keeping in mind, this team is still trying to figure out what dollar amount ADA and Strome might come in at next season. The latter will either stay for a year or be traded. The former could very well be let go depending on what number comes into play. But combined both guys could be looking at a price tag of close to $10m.
:amazed:

Did you mean that the way it sounds at first blush...?
 
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