Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part LXIX

[Avery16]

His best hockey was 3 or 4 years ago, at this point he isn't much of an upgrade if he is at all anymore and there is 0 guarantee he plays as well as Strome with Panarin. If you are making a move for the 2c it has to be better than a "possible" upgrade otherwise why bother? And yes they have been over this a hundred times but it keeps coming up as an option for some reason odd reason.

He’s *a year* older than Strome. Before Strome was on Panarin’s wing, you could have said his best hockey was half a decade ago. Lots can change with a Hart contender on your flank.

 

[jay from jersey]

I made the comparison a few pages back and I'll say that the comparison may not be perfect (what comparison is in sports) but the overall premise is closer than many seem to want to agree with.

This. What has Strome done that’s bad? Even before Panarin he surpassed my expectations. The chemistry with Panarin has been a bonus. If it’s just for 1 year or so you def go with the known quantity rather then the unknown. He insults Chytil if he needs it. Would I be crushed if he left? No. Would I rather have grandlund or Haula ?? Meh gimme the guy who already has chemistry in the room with our guys. He was drafted high for a reason maybe he’s got a chip on his shoulder and he’s out to prove everyone, including me wrong. I never imaged he would get as many points as he got here though

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Strome on anything more than a 1 year deal is pushing it. 2 years is fine for expansion purposes, but I don't love it and I don't think he would either.

Hes a guy I have NO problem allowing to walk into UFA a year from now or when ever the 2021 UFA period will be.

 

[RGY]

He’s *a year* older than Strome. Before Strome was on Panarin’s wing, you could have said his best hockey was half a decade ago. Lots can change with a Hart contender on your flank.

And did Granlund’s defensive play fall off a cliff in Nashville? And even if it dipped, was that a product of how mediocre Nashville has been the last couple of years? But he has been a better player than Strome throughout their respective careers. Claiming Granlund is a minimal upgrade is baseless.

 

[NYR]

Strome on anything more than a 1 year deal is pushing it. 2 years is fine for expansion purposes, but I don't love it and I don't think he would either.

Hes a guy I have NO problem allowing to walk into UFA a year from now or when ever the 2021 UFA period will be.

I think having Stome as our #3C at the appropriate salary changes the conversation entirely..

 

[NoQuitInNewMexico]

Ryan Strome's penalty differential seems like something that can't be that bad forever, especially since so many of the penalties seemed like offensive zone/stick foul stuff.

Like he was a much younger player but I never felt like Kevin Hayes was going to be a 35% faceoff guy for his whole career, I figured he'd work his way up to below average.

 

[egelband]

Personally, I do too.

Look, I don't want the Rangers to be married to Strome for the next five years, but for what he is, and what we have/don't have right now, I honestly can't complain too much.

I feel like Strome has found himself here. He has figured out what kind of player in this league he is. And he has embraced it. I give Quinn credit, too. A lot of players have gotten themselves together under Quinn. Maybe that’s a skill of his, getting players to play within themselves and according to a set role. Just spitballing.

 

[aufheben]

I feel like Strome has found himself here. He has figured out what kind of player in this league he is. And he has embraced it. I give Quinn credit, too. A lot of players have gotten themselves together under Quinn. Maybe that’s a skill of his, getting players to play within themselves and according to a set role. Just spitballing.

I can see that. But really the problem isn’t Strome, the probably is how much he will cost and the obvious chunk of it that should be going into Panarin’s pockets.

 

[NYR]

I feel like Strome has found himself here. He has figured out what kind of player in this league he is. And he has embraced it. I give Quinn credit, too. A lot of players have gotten themselves together under Quinn. Maybe that’s a skill of his, getting players to play within themselves and according to a set role. Just spitballing.

Is it really Quinn or maybe those players realized that their career is trashed if they don't get it right this last time around?

 

[egelband]

I can see that. But really the problem isn’t Strome, the probably is how much he will cost and the obvious chunk of it that should be going into Panarin’s pockets.

Of course. I could have added, that the player that he has found should not break the bank and is not vital. But as, I believe, @Beer League Sniper said, he’s a great safety net for Chytil.

 

[aufheben]

In addition to goaltending I feel like this fan base has been spoiled with coaches post-lockout.

 

[NYR]

In addition to goaltending I feel like this fan base has been spoiled with coaches post-lockout.

Torts and AV riding Torts defensive coat-tails while adding his offensive scheme just seemed to work..

 

[ElLeetch]

Torts and AV riding Torts defensive coat-tails while adding his offensive scheme just seemed to work..

beyond that. Tom Reeney post-lockout was the exact coach for that young team.

From Reeney, to Torts, to AV, we had the ideal progression. We went from the Teacher, to Drill Instructor, to Manager.

I kind of feel we went back to the start with our current young team with DQ

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

Ryan Strome's penalty differential seems like something that can't be that bad forever, especially since so many of the penalties seemed like offensive zone/stick foul stuff.

Idk I watch Strome play every night and I think his penalty differential is as bad as it is for a reason and it is unlikely to change. He's lazy and careless. Always reaching with his stick as his default instead of moving his feet.

 

[PuckLuck3043]

Strome is just not as bad as some of you make it seem. When he was traded here he scored 33 points including 18 goals in 63 games with no Panarin. Not great but not awful either and we clearly won that trade. Obviously playing with Panarin boosted his points total significantly but Fast was on that line for much of the year and only scored 29. Also when Mika went down for those 12 games and Strome was playing 1C he actually did pretty well and the Rangers had a winning record during that span. Is he good? Not really. Is he a core player? No. Is he worth a 1 year contract for 4-4.5? Yes, I believe he is because quite frankly I don't see any significant upgrades in the near future and it gives the team the time to see if Chytil can be a 2c or find somebody via trade.

 

[Avery16]

I can see that. But really the problem isn’t Strome, the probably is how much he will cost and the obvious chunk of it that should be going into Panarin’s pockets.

This, but also he takes some really boneheaded and pointless penalties and is lazy defensively. He’s been cherry picking points off of panarin. He might have 2C numbers but he’s no 2C. He shouldn’t get paid like one.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

He’s *a year* older than Strome. Before Strome was on Panarin’s wing, you could have said his best hockey was half a decade ago. Lots can change with a Hart contender on your flank.

Strome played well here before Panarin arrived.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Strome is just not as bad as some of you make it seem. When he was traded here he scored 33 points including 18 goals in 63 games with no Panarin. Not great but not awful either and we clearly won that trade. Obviously playing with Panarin boosted his points total significantly but Fast was on that line for much of the year and only scored 29. Also when Mika went down for those 12 games and Strome was playing 1C he actually did pretty well and the Rangers had a winning record during that span. Is he good? Not really. Is he a core player? No. Is he worth a 1 year contract for 4-4.5? Yes, I believe he is because quite frankly I don't see any significant upgrades in the near future and it gives the team the time to see if Chytil can be a 2c or find somebody via trade.

Bingo

 

[aufheben]

This, but also he takes some really boneheaded and pointless penalties and is lazy defensively. He’s been cherry picking points off of panarin. He might have 2C numbers but he’s no 2C. He shouldn’t get paid like one.

Thats what I said mate

 

[NYR Viper]

This, but also he takes some really boneheaded and pointless penalties and is lazy defensively. He’s been cherry picking points off of panarin. He might have 2C numbers but he’s no 2C. He shouldn’t get paid like one.

4-4.5m aren’t 2C numbers though...

 

[SA16]

Ryan Strome's penalty differential seems like something that can't be that bad forever, especially since so many of the penalties seemed like offensive zone/stick foul stuff.

Like he was a much younger player but I never felt like Kevin Hayes was going to be a 35% faceoff guy for his whole career, I figured he'd work his way up to below average.

its been this way his whole career so far why would it change?

 

[RGY]

Strome is just not as bad as some of you make it seem. When he was traded here he scored 33 points including 18 goals in 63 games with no Panarin. Not great but not awful either and we clearly won that trade. Obviously playing with Panarin boosted his points total significantly but Fast was on that line for much of the year and only scored 29. Also when Mika went down for those 12 games and Strome was playing 1C he actually did pretty well and the Rangers had a winning record during that span. Is he good? Not really. Is he a core player? No. Is he worth a 1 year contract for 4-4.5? Yes, I believe he is because quite frankly I don't see any significant upgrades in the near future and it gives the team the time to see if Chytil can be a 2c or find somebody via trade.

You can throw all the point totals you want out there, but its really just a narrow way of looking at it. In his first year here, he really only scored at a .07 PPG more than his career norm, without Panarin. So to play it off as he was having some anomaly of success before Panarin came is just flat out a misconception. And keep in mind he was given the most Average TOI in his career when he got here. It was 40 and 50 seconds more per game than he received with the Islanders and Oilers, respectively. So he was essentially getting 1-2 more shifts per game to get that .07 PPG bump. That year in EDM before the trade he was averaging 14:25 TOI. He shot up another minute and a half here in a more prominent role because quite frankly we didnt have a ton of depth, especially after the trade deadline where we shipped out Hayes and Zucc.

But its his play away from the puck that is an absolute travesty. He is bad defensively. He makes dumb decisions like going for line changes instead of hustling back when the opposition has an odd man rush. Or the countless mind numbing penalties he takes... all over the ice. I have referred to it before (and im sure someone can find the graphic) Mike Johnston on NHLN pulled up his numbers away from Panarin. The gap was alarming. He gets pinned in his own end. He doesnt win faceoffs enough. He is replaceable. I wouldnt pay him a dollar more than the $4.5 and thats being generous imo. He should be between $4-$4.5 and then you sell him at the deadline.

And you know, I wonder what he would even get in this volatile market had he been a UFA. There are still names on the board that would provide a more rounded game to fit a role and come at a cheaper bargain, which in turn would reduce his market value. Would he get $4+? Yeah there is certainly a chance, but there are a lot of teams up against the cap. Maybe Buffalo would throw the cash at him even with the Hall signing AND even though ownership has taken a financial hit from COVID because they are desperate to make the playoffs for Eichel. I would rather take that $4 million and spread out over 2 other players and create more depth for the Team Play on a nightly basis while not sacrificing much offensive output, if any.

 

[Richard Banger]

Thats what I said mate

Easy there LazarBeam.

 

[PuckLuck3043]

You can throw all the point totals you want out there, but its really just a narrow way of looking at it. In his first year here, he really only scored at a .07 PPG more than his career norm, without Panarin. So to play it off as he was having some anomaly of success before Panarin came is just flat out a misconception. And keep in mind he was given the most Average TOI in his career when he got here. It was 40 and 50 seconds more per game than he received with the Islanders and Oilers, respectively. So he was essentially getting 1-2 more shifts per game to get that .07 PPG bump. That year in EDM before the trade he was averaging 14:25 TOI. He shot up another minute and a half here in a more prominent role because quite frankly we didnt have a ton of depth, especially after the trade deadline where we shipped out Hayes and Zucc.

But its his play away from the puck that is an absolute travesty. He is bad defensively. He makes dumb decisions like going for line changes instead of hustling back when the opposition has an odd man rush. Or the countless mind numbing penalties he takes... all over the ice. I have referred to it before (and im sure someone can find the graphic) Mike Johnston on NHLN pulled up his numbers away from Panarin. The gap was alarming. He gets pinned in his own end. He doesnt win faceoffs enough. He is replaceable. I wouldnt pay him a dollar more than the $4.5 and thats being generous imo. He should be between $4-$4.5 and then you sell him at the deadline.

And you know, I wonder what he would even get in this volatile market had he been a UFA. There are still names on the board that would provide a more rounded game to fit a role and come at a cheaper bargain, which in turn would reduce his market value. Would he get $4+? Yeah there is certainly a chance, but there are a lot of teams up against the cap. Maybe Buffalo would throw the cash at him even with the Hall signing AND even though ownership has taken a financial hit from COVID because they are desperate to make the playoffs for Eichel. I would rather take that $4 million and spread out over 2 other players and create more depth for the Team Play on a nightly basis while not sacrificing much offensive output, if any.

This is exactly what I said he was worth. I just don't think he is Staal like bad as some think.

 

[RGY]

This is exactly what I said he was worth. I just don't think he is Staal like bad as some think.

I get that you have the same price range down. But you are also stating you dont think he has as bad as some make him out to be. But he really is that bad away from Panarin and away from the puck. Really bad. And so I would take his potentially $4.5 award in arbitration and walk away. Split the money up between Granlund and Haula/Boyle/Wilson.