Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part LXII

[NYSPORTS]

fair enough on the other side of the puck...what is your list of elite centers?

Buffalo is paying Eichel $80 million over 8 years for a reason. If he were a Ranger the same fans questioning him would praising him as Elite.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

If it’s going to take more than “just those 2” then why are you challenging other to beat it? If you want the player, a soon to be 24 year old $10 million dollar Center, post the real offer then.

Edmonton, Colorado, LA, you mentioned Anaheim, Montreal, Philly can package a lot too.

you had better bring Miller, Krazkov, Nils to the table. An Eichel move with be as much about obtaining much more than a 2 for 1 as it will be for cutting cost.

What is Montreal sending to beat that base? Kotkaniemi and Suzuki would be off the table. Their top prospect is Caufield who is an undersized one-dimensional scorer. If Buffalo is trading him, I highly doubt they move him in the division, especially to one of the Canadian based conference teams.

Ditto Philly, who doesn't have the cap space (They currently sit with a shade over 4.5 in cap space.) Edmonton is capped out as well AND they don't have the pieces (not to mention, I doubt he'd want to go there.)

Its like I said, his list of actual, realistic suitors is no more than 5.

 

[NYSPORTS]

What is Montreal sending to beat that base? Kotkaniemi and Suzuki would be off the table. Their top prospect is Caufield who is an undersized one-dimensional scorer. If Buffalo is trading him, I highly doubt they move him in the division, especially to one of the Canadian based conference teams.

Ditto Philly, who doesn't have the cap space (They currently sit with a shade over 4.5 in cap space.) Edmonton is capped out as well AND they don't have the pieces (not to mention, I doubt he'd want to go there.)

Its like I said, his list of actual, realistic suitors is no more than 5.

i can’t stand Caufield

yes, the Rangers can get him. It’s not going to be for those two along. Honestly, what is Chytil at this point? Ante up

 

[n8]

the cost for Eichel is not ADA and Chytil. To think Buffalo would look at this Rangers roster, their depth of prospects and that’s the best they could land league wide? That’s a pipe dream IMO. A two for one? A semi-one dimensional defenseman and a question mark for Eichel who is a #1 center. Really?

Agreed.

To Whomever posted ADA + Chytil. You'd need that offer to be ADA, Chytil, Kravtsov, 1st (22OA), 2021 1st.
What's that? Too much? You don't want to pay? Too bad. That's how trades work. His NMC doesn't kick in until 2022 so he can't even control where he goes.

The last center remotely close to Eichel's caliber that was traded was Matt Duchene.
Shane Bowers, Andrew Hammond, Kyle Turris*, conditional round 1 pick in the 2019 draft (Bowen Byram) and round 3 pick in the 2019 draft (Matthew Stienburg)
*remember at the time of the trade Turris was close to PPG player. They flipped him NSH for a great package but that should have no bearing on the original trade.
While Buffalo got fleece, ROR went for:
Tage Thompson, Patrik Berglund, Vladimir Sobotka, round 1 pick in the 2019 draft (Ryan Johnson) and round 2 pick in the 2021 draft.
Not only is Eichel a better player but their team definitely got bit on that one and they won't repeat such a disaster. They are for sure getting way more for Eichel.
Eichel > ROR > Duchene.

Far from enough. Go to trade boards. I'm sure every team will have a poster who can beat that offer. Not one poster will say it's remotely close. Add Kravtsov and the two 1st rounders, you'd still find it a tough crowd. (ignore Buffalo fans though, of course they will ask for something bonkers, just like your offer is bonk-- I mean, could use some modifications.

 

[RGY]

Buffalo is paying Eichel $80 million over 8 years for a reason. If he were a Ranger the same fans questioning him would praising him as Elite.

There is a difference between questioning him as being in that “elite” class and understanding that he still has 1C value as a young center in this league. Just because some of us have an interest in him doesnt mean we blindly ignore the characteristics of his current play and just gush over him. He has work to do to get to the elite level. He isn’t far off but still has work to do to get there. That is not the same as saying he is “bad”. Still a very good center. Great even.

No one is besting our potential packages while not including Kakko or 1OA.

See you in a year when it happens.

 

[LeetchisGod]

I love how fashionable it’s become to shit all over Kakko.

He's going to be serving up a lot of crow over the next few years.

 

[RGY]

Agreed.

To Whomever posted ADA + Chytil. You'd need that offer to be ADA, Chytil, Kravtsov, 1st (22OA), 2021 1st.
What's that? Too much? You don't want to pay? Too bad. That's how trades work. His NMC doesn't kick in until 2022 so he can't even control where he goes.

The last center remotely close to Eichel's caliber that was traded was Matt Duchene.
Shane Bowers, Andrew Hammond, Kyle Turris*, conditional round 1 pick in the 2019 draft (Bowen Byram) and round 3 pick in the 2019 draft (Matthew Stienburg)
*remember at the time of the trade Turris was close to PPG player. They flipped him NSH for a great package but that should have no bearing on the original trade.
While Buffalo got fleece, ROR went for:
Tage Thompson, Patrik Berglund, Vladimir Sobotka, round 1 pick in the 2019 draft (Ryan Johnson) and round 2 pick in the 2021 draft.
Not only is Eichel a better player but their team definitely got bit on that one and they won't repeat such a disaster. They are for sure getting way more for Eichel.
Eichel > ROR > Duchene.

Far from enough. Go to trade boards. I'm sure every team will have a poster who can beat that offer. Not one poster will say it's remotely close. Add Kravtsov and the two 1st rounders, you'd still find it a tough crowd. (ignore Buffalo fans though, of course they will ask for something bonkers, just like your offer is bonk-- I mean, could use some modifications.

How often does it have to be said that HF doesnt make the trades and that the GMs do? Why even ask to go to the Trade Forum? Place is a cesspool. Teams still make trades and almost ALWAYS you find fans from both sides in shock that the pieces exchanged were not what they expected.

If BUF ends up having to move Eichel because he has had enough and wants out, there are only a handful of teams that would be a match. That include taking on his salary during a flat cap AND having the assets to make it happen. The field gets pretty narrow. If things fall apart in the next year in Buffalo, which they almost surely will because they cannot have anything nice up there, the trade return is not going to be anywhere close to what you are claiming.

But i’ll just sit back and let the chips fall where they may.

 

[Trxjw]

I think it's extremely unlikely that Eichel gets dealt in the next few weeks. Sure, it could pop up again next summer but even then I don't see Eichel forcing the Sabres hand "officially" until his trade protection kicks in. Otherwise he could end up just about anywhere and really has no control over things. Could be a calculated move by his camp to put the pressure on now when only a few teams he likes could reasonably make the trade but it's risky.

On the flip side of things it kind of depends on what offer was discussed (if any) by the Rangers and Sabres and how much the Sabres like the pieces involved. If they're really, really high on a guy like ADA then they might lose their opportunity to add him because they probably know the Rangers are discussing him with other teams. Same could be said about Buch.

All that considered, I still think it's a long-shot that Eichel gets dealt at all. I think if Buffalo plays their cards right they could improve their roster pretty rapidly. Just depends on what their internal budget is.

 

[NYSPORTS]

Agreed.

To Whomever posted ADA + Chytil. You'd need that offer to be ADA, Chytil, Kravtsov, 1st (22OA), 2021 1st.
What's that? Too much? You don't want to pay? Too bad. That's how trades work. His NMC doesn't kick in until 2022 so he can't even control where he goes.

he would cost a lot IMO. Your offer is likely more in line but that 2021 #1 i’m not including b/c it is possible the Rangers miss the playoff or we get some strange play in due to Covid and find ourselves back in the lottery.

Finances will likely play a role as Buffalo has struggled with operating income while the Rangers can’t be blind to their cap either.

 

[Fitzy]

True, but when was the last time a player of Eichel's caliber was traded so young, and locked up long term?

Pierre Turgeon? I can probably do better. Thornton?

 

[Richard Banger]

I went to the main trade board and went into the “Value of DeAngelo” thread.


Holy f*** what a shit show of absolute refuses.

 

[egelband]

True, but when was the last time a player of Eichel's caliber was traded so young, and locked up long term?

Totally. I think the situation in Buffalo is going to have to worsen before it gets to the point where Buffalo and JG’s expectations meet.

And truthfully I don’t even want that to happen. I’m hoping they become respectable and live happily ever after. We’ve got plenty of good guys and I like the trajectory.

 

[HFsNumber1Heel]

This whole notion of souring on Kaako and/or Chytil and trading for Eichel is so EA Sports. It reminds me of when I used to put my mega teams together in the early 2000s and I could get Lubos Bartecko up to a 90 rating and lead the league in scoring as a second line center.

It's all part of development and these guys aren't even old enough to graduate college yet. Chytil went from a -22 to a -7 and scored as many points in 15 less games.

That's called natural progression.

 

[RGY]

Cant wait for Edge to drop another nugget here for us to spin off another 40 pages.

My guess is we’ll have 4 new Roster Building Threads before 7pm on Tuesday.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

I think it's extremely unlikely that Eichel gets dealt in the next few weeks. Sure, it could pop up again next summer but even then I don't see Eichel forcing the Sabres hand "officially" until his trade protection kicks in. Otherwise he could end up just about anywhere and really has no control over things. Could be a calculated move by his camp to put the pressure on now when only a few teams he likes could reasonably make the trade but it's risky.

On the flip side of things it kind of depends on what offer was discussed (if any) by the Rangers and Sabres and how much the Sabres like the pieces involved. If they're really, really high on a guy like ADA then they might lose their opportunity to add him because they probably know the Rangers are discussing him with other teams. Same could be said about Buch.

All that considered, I still think it's a long-shot that Eichel gets dealt at all. I think if Buffalo plays their cards right they could improve their roster pretty rapidly. Just depends on what their internal budget is.

I’m not sold on Buffalo getting better any time soon. They have horrible management and ownership, can’t bring in FAs and don’t have that impressive of a farm system. Couple that with an internal cap and I think it’s a recipe for disaster. For certain they are not a playoff team next season. Also in regards to him being traded anywhere, the number of teams that could facilitate that trade for any number of reasons is very small. So while he could theoretically be traded anywhere the pool of teams that could make that trade whittles down that list considerably.

 

[bbny]

I went to the main trade board and went into the “Value of DeAngelo” thread.


Holy f*** what a shit show of absolute refuses.

Reading the main board's opinion on DeAngelo is HFNYR's version of getting COVID.

 

[Richard Banger]

This whole notion of souring on Kaako and/or Chytil and trading for Eichel is so EA Sports. It reminds me of when I used to put my mega teams together in the early 2000s and I could get Lubos Bartecko up to a 90 rating and lead the league in scoring as a second line center.

It's all part of development and these guys aren't even old enough to graduate college yet. Chytil went from a -22 to a -7 and scored as many points in 15 less games.

That's called natural progression.

I wouldn’t say putting Chytil in a trade proposal is souring on him.

In fact I think it’s the opposite.

 

[Richard Banger]

Reading the main board's opinion on DeAngelo is HFNYR's version of getting COVID.

I’ve gotten COVID. I can definitely say reading that stuff on the main boards is worse lmao.

 

[bl02]

I went to the main trade board and went into the “Value of DeAngelo” thread.


Holy f*** what a shit show of absolute refuses.

At this point I blame Ranger fans who post any trades with him. It's become a joke. The bias is ridiculous. It turns into his worth being at best a second rounder not to mention all the other bs crap.

 

[bl02]

I’m not sold on Buffalo getting better any time soon. They have horrible management and ownership, can’t bring in FAs and don’t have that impressive of a farm system. Couple that with an internal cap and I think it’s a recipe for disaster. For certain they are not a playoff team next season. Also in regards to him being traded anywhere, the number of teams that could facilitate that trade for any number of reasons is very small. So while he could theoretically be traded anywhere the pool of teams that could make that trade whittles down that list considerably.

They aren't making the playoffs. Teams in the East are getting better (like us) and teams like Washington/Pitt are doing enough to hold on before their decline while Buffalo still have tons of holes and issues. The question is whether they can at least be competitive and not in the bottom 6/7 again.

 

[Avery16]

How often does it have to be said that HF doesnt make the trades and that the GMs do? Why even ask to go to the Trade Forum?

Never often enough. But people have their kinky shit I’m not going to judge.

 

[Boris Zubov]

Duhatschek also hedges by saying “within the next 12 months”.

Which makes total sense. Buffalo has no incentive to trade him now when they just paid him a $7.5M signing bonus on July 1st for 20-21. They're only on the hook for $2.5M of salary for the season for him, but whomever they would get in return is certainly going to cost them way more than that in actual dollars. That's a problem for them now that the oil & gas prices have taken a toll on the Pegula's finances.

If Buffalo continues to flounder, next offseason is a better bet for Eichel to be on the block...before the Sabres pay him his signing bonus.

 

[Levitate]

I haven’t put any stock in any Eichel rumors but The Hat is usually pretty well connected.

He doesn't seem to be reporting something he's heard exactly, more of a "this would make sense considering the assets they could move and the needs they have", unless he was trying to say something by not saying something

All the Eichel stuff...I think the Rangers would be very interested but only at a price that works for them, and that's probably not gonna be something involving Lafrniere or Kakko this year
e: like, I don't think the Rangers are running this down right now determined to make a trade work this offseason

 

[Whoot Whoot]

What going on with our d 2021?

 

[duhmetreE]

I still think Tampa is a good trade partner. We heard about Calgary but I'd prefer Cirelli and/or Sergachev over Lindholm/Monahan and Hanifin. Sergachev is a bonafide stud and still only 22. Should be in our crosshairs. The price will be steep but we can afford it.

An acquisition like Danault or Bonino can make do for now IF we land a stud like Sergachev